misterbill
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Lets make an all vintage Snap-on tool picture thread!
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ShadowBoxer
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Um, I think you know better. Nice bunch O Snap-on.
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Well I did not want to impose or assume. It's not like you folks have never seen an old tool before. I doubt my set is very old or rare (relatively speaking).
For example your post here of a nice old combination Blue Point. I love that these old tools are still functional and can do the same work now as when they were new 50, 60+ years ago.
Looking at my set again, I was not happy with how the middle extension fit in the corner. I think the box was designed to trap the tool to minimize them sliding around. I realized that the middle extension could fit in the opposite corner and the long extension could move to the right. Both fit along the front edge and this traps the heads in tighter spaces than before. Now it looks like that upper right corner should fit a spark plug socket with extension to me. However I have no idea what came with this set or what it originally had.
I do have one of those spark plug extensions though... It's probably too big but I'm going to the garage to check.
You know, just for fun... 'cause this is what I do for fun sometimes.
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Although I visit the forum every day, I rarely post. I bought a half-full five gallon pail of sockets and other tools at auction today. One of the unique items is this 1965 date coded Snap-on 11/16 socket engraved “NASA PROPERTY”. I thought it was mildly interesting enough to post, considering the Apollo 11 anniversary this month. This was likely in use during the Gemini and Apollo timeframe.
There were several other non-Snap on finds in the bucket too, including a Flying V 1/4 ratchet, a ‘83 date stamped Snap-on 3/8 breaker, a blue point carburetor and distributor adjusting tool, a Walden 1/4 ratchet and breaker bar, along with 5 sets of craftsman 1/4 SAE and metric sockets. I’m still trying to organize it all. I’m pretty happy for my $7 winning bid.
There were several other non-Snap on finds in the bucket too, including a Flying V 1/4 ratchet, a ‘83 date stamped Snap-on 3/8 breaker, a blue point carburetor and distributor adjusting tool, a Walden 1/4 ratchet and breaker bar, along with 5 sets of craftsman 1/4 SAE and metric sockets. I’m still trying to organize it all. I’m pretty happy for my $7 winning bid.
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ShadowBoxer
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Hey. My idea worked!
Did something like this spark plug socket extension (top left corner) come with this set?
It fits almost too perfectly.
Did something like this spark plug socket extension (top left corner) come with this set?
It fits almost too perfectly.
ShadowBoxer
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That is very cool. "Property of NASA". Righteous win.
And all that for $7.? Wow.
History was going for cheap today.
Congratulations.
And all that for $7.? Wow.
History was going for cheap today.
Congratulations.
the wrench engraved "property of NASA" brings back a memory from one place I worked. Whenever the tool room bought a new wrench for a machine the foreman would have it engraved with the company initials and toolroom. I told him that when the wrench was home in someone's cellar the engraving would not bring it back.
Private Lugnutz
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Haha. Mainly true. There are those instances of the idiots who get arrested after putting things on eBay with govt property markings and serial numbers. Those things come back!
Some of you may have seen my thread on the K-260 stack I just bought. The top box is missing the badge and I’m looking for some info.
Is there a timeline somewhere of what logos were used during different time periods?
I’ve seen similar badges to mine with slanted edges, some rectangles. Some with Wisconsin, some without. Some with an angled dash, some with a horizontal dash.
Also, my badges on the bottom box measure measure 5” rivet to rivet, while the badge holes on the top box are 5 3/4”.
Trying to figure out exactly what my replacement badge should be. Thanks for any info.
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Is there a timeline somewhere of what logos were used during different time periods?
I’ve seen similar badges to mine with slanted edges, some rectangles. Some with Wisconsin, some without. Some with an angled dash, some with a horizontal dash.
Also, my badges on the bottom box measure measure 5” rivet to rivet, while the badge holes on the top box are 5 3/4”.
Trying to figure out exactly what my replacement badge should be. Thanks for any info.
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That logo came in late, maybe only the last year of those. Mine is I think 46 as the gentleman I got it from said his grandfather purchased it when he came back from the war and has slanted logo. It maybe your bottom is a kr302, basically same as k200 but would have that logo.
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rick1956
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I ended up with this in a box of **** from my old man when he passed:
d42jeep
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That’s a nice No. 77 from 1947.
-Don
-Don
Private Lugnutz
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Picked up a few things from Kent's, a used tool joint in Tucson yesterday.
The Snap-on valve adjuster is interesting. Plomb used a similar design. Curiously, Snap-on did not own the patent (1,544,520, Jun 30, 1925). Another company located in Milwaukee called ValTul did.
The Blue-Point 1-1/16" RX-34 flare nut wrench is a rare 1943 date code.
And I admit to being a little stumped by the Snap-on 9/16" angle wrench. I don't have any other Snap-on wrenches like it in my collection and I am not familiar with the AC-1818 model number marking. Not sure if the "F" marks on the jaws are factory or owners'.
The Snap-on valve adjuster is interesting. Plomb used a similar design. Curiously, Snap-on did not own the patent (1,544,520, Jun 30, 1925). Another company located in Milwaukee called ValTul did.
The Blue-Point 1-1/16" RX-34 flare nut wrench is a rare 1943 date code.
And I admit to being a little stumped by the Snap-on 9/16" angle wrench. I don't have any other Snap-on wrenches like it in my collection and I am not familiar with the AC-1818 model number marking. Not sure if the "F" marks on the jaws are factory or owners'.
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Private Lugnutz
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The valve adjuster has a Pratt & Whitney Aircraft part number (PWA-28354) on it, as does a socket that attached to it (PWA 1075-8). Snap-on made these as sets with three sockets, with three different openings, for three different lock nut sizes. I suspect this was made for PWA with a specific engine in mind. I will try to look it up later.
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Cool.
I wish I could use that on my motorcycle.
If I recall it requires two 12 mm wrenches.
That is still a cool little tool though.
I wish I could use that on my motorcycle.
If I recall it requires two 12 mm wrenches.
That is still a cool little tool though.
Here are a couple of Snap on valve adjuster's, one is a PWA 1075-1 and the socket is a PWA1075 3/4" 12 point
My AC1818 doesn't have any "F" stamping.
The other is a AO1818 stamped Snap on but obviously not made by Snap on
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Private Lugnutz
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Thanks. Looks like someone didn't like the excess steel!
Thanks. Do you know when these were made? I have never seen any early wrenches with that type of branding.snaparxon said:
Do you know when they switched to the spring-loaded T-handle instead of the knob? I will scroll through catalogs one at a time to find it, but figured you might know off the top of your head. My interest is in ascertaining my speculation that the one I found is possibly wartime, which is mainly why I bought it. I suppose they could've been supplying PWA before and even after, but it looks wartime to me.
Thanks. Looks like someone didn't like the excess steel!
Thanks. Do you know when these were made? I have never seen any early wrenches with that type of branding.
At one point this tool was used as a handle on a wood stove door that I built. The handle was awkward so I cut off the excess.
I know nothing about these AC1818 wrenches but I think there was some discussion on Papaw's site years ago. Seems to be alot of these wrenches floating around.
Here is what appears to be a date code on the socket.
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Private Lugnutz
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I think the "8" might be part of the PWA model number. 1075 implied hyphen 8. My socket is the same as yours (12-point, 3/4" measured service opening) and is marked PWA 1075-8.
d42jeep
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Here are some of the Snap-on tools I found at the Tahoe flea yesterday after some clean-up. The A-4 Ferret adapter is from 1945. I couldn’t find a listing for the 3/8” drive, 7/16” 6 point socket. The part number looks like IR-8S.
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Valve Adjusting Tool Update
For anyone interested, I went through the catalogs and this is what I found...
Model V-21 shows up in Catalog E (1928) through Catalog N (1939). From 1928 through Catalog J (1933) it had the knurled button knob that is on snapmom's above. It doesn't appear in 1934 through 1935 for some reason. It shows up with a pot metal flowered knob in Catalog M (1937) through Catalog N (1939). This model has the special hex drive stud above the slot screwdriver, and it came with three special hex drive sockets: V-160 (1/2"), -180 (9/16") and -200 (5/8").
Model V-21-A shows up in Catalog O (1941) through Catalog S (1948) and it has now been modified with a 1/2-inch square drive stud so that it can take regular 1/2-inch square drive sockets SW-160, -180, and -200. The knob is the pot metal flowered type. Model V-21-B comes with a wider flowered knob.
Model V-21-C shows up in Catalog T (1950) and looks completely different than all earlier models. It has a much longer square handle and comes with a few different size flowered knobs to deal with access problems.
What does all that mean for the examples that snaparxon and I have?
I think it's fairly safe to conclude that they were made by Snap-on with the spring-loaded T-handle (as opposed to a knob) exclusively for PWA. Those don't show up in any Snap-on catalogs. And, even though they have the hex drive stud for the hex drive sockets made especially for the earlier (1928-1939) V-21, I still think they are wartime. PWA would've been ordering the heck out of them in 1940 and 1941 just as Snap-on was switching to the 1/2-inch square drive stud.
Examples of a Snap-on PWA valve adjuster with a square drive stud (Model V-21-A) would help us date ours more narrowly to prewar.
For anyone interested, I went through the catalogs and this is what I found...
Model V-21 shows up in Catalog E (1928) through Catalog N (1939). From 1928 through Catalog J (1933) it had the knurled button knob that is on snapmom's above. It doesn't appear in 1934 through 1935 for some reason. It shows up with a pot metal flowered knob in Catalog M (1937) through Catalog N (1939). This model has the special hex drive stud above the slot screwdriver, and it came with three special hex drive sockets: V-160 (1/2"), -180 (9/16") and -200 (5/8").
Model V-21-A shows up in Catalog O (1941) through Catalog S (1948) and it has now been modified with a 1/2-inch square drive stud so that it can take regular 1/2-inch square drive sockets SW-160, -180, and -200. The knob is the pot metal flowered type. Model V-21-B comes with a wider flowered knob.
Model V-21-C shows up in Catalog T (1950) and looks completely different than all earlier models. It has a much longer square handle and comes with a few different size flowered knobs to deal with access problems.
What does all that mean for the examples that snaparxon and I have?
I think it's fairly safe to conclude that they were made by Snap-on with the spring-loaded T-handle (as opposed to a knob) exclusively for PWA. Those don't show up in any Snap-on catalogs. And, even though they have the hex drive stud for the hex drive sockets made especially for the earlier (1928-1939) V-21, I still think they are wartime. PWA would've been ordering the heck out of them in 1940 and 1941 just as Snap-on was switching to the 1/2-inch square drive stud.
Examples of a Snap-on PWA valve adjuster with a square drive stud (Model V-21-A) would help us date ours more narrowly to prewar.
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Provincial
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The design for the PWA tool was established as early as 1926, and certainly by 1928. It would have had the T-handle for adjustment because of the large diameter of the threads of the valve adjustment parts. The large threads would require counteracting a larger twisting load from tightening the lock nut. PWA started delivery of engines in October of 1926, so service tools would have been in production by then.
All PWA engines through the 1940's used the same valve adjustment design, and most used the same parts. The smallest engine they made had 18 valves to adjust, so it is likely that they were an early adopter of this time-saving tool.
All PWA engines through the 1940's used the same valve adjustment design, and most used the same parts. The smallest engine they made had 18 valves to adjust, so it is likely that they were an early adopter of this time-saving tool.
Private Lugnutz
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You aren't/weren't alone, ShadowBoxer! Not all adjusting nuts had a slot in the head.Cool.
I wish I could use that on my motorcycle.
If I recall it requires two 12 mm wrenches.
That is still a cool little tool though.
Good stuff, Jock.
Reading the many variations that the size of the knob on the standard Snap-on adjuster went through was interesting. They started offering a bigger knob in the late 40's, perhaps for similar reasons, but they had to add smaller knobs, too, for engines with access problems for a bigger knob. (Buick, in particular, was mentioned).
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d42jeep
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As posted in the Garage Sale thread, we found a 3/8” drive inch pounds torque wrench and some wartime sockets at a Bay Area estate sale this morning. The 3/8” Ferret socket on the left is my second industrial socket in as many weeks.
-Don
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That is in beautiful condition
dkroth
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I like Wiha screwdrivers.
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This was at the bottom of a drawer in the old top box posted in the GS thread. Kind of a neat surprise. I think I have that model light too.
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Private Lugnutz
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I got a little addition in the mail from Don for that 9/32-inch drive set I found last month. It's an M-10-DG with crossbar.
WWII surplus, hence the cosmo and Ordnance Dept stock tag. A few years ago a UK colleague of some of us WWII collectors bought over 200 midget nut spinners, all WWII surplus, all 1951 repacks, in Rossford Ordnance Depot (Ohio) cardboard boxes, most of them Snap-on M-10's of one kind or another.
Glad I got one with a twisted drive plug. I have a 1/2-inch drive flex head in the same configuration. I never paid much attention to the patents before. Interestingly, they are for universal joints. I figure Snap-on used at least part of the same design for the flex head or thought it was close enough to protect them, anyway.
Just a tad shinier (natural steel finish) than the pieces in the set (cad), but it looks right at home!
WWII surplus, hence the cosmo and Ordnance Dept stock tag. A few years ago a UK colleague of some of us WWII collectors bought over 200 midget nut spinners, all WWII surplus, all 1951 repacks, in Rossford Ordnance Depot (Ohio) cardboard boxes, most of them Snap-on M-10's of one kind or another.
Glad I got one with a twisted drive plug. I have a 1/2-inch drive flex head in the same configuration. I never paid much attention to the patents before. Interestingly, they are for universal joints. I figure Snap-on used at least part of the same design for the flex head or thought it was close enough to protect them, anyway.
Just a tad shinier (natural steel finish) than the pieces in the set (cad), but it looks right at home!
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I like collecting those t handles. They look cool on the wall!
