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Base looks very nice Pat! Your buffer looks like a twin to mine- love those Baldors! I just made some base plates for a sign display and I wish I had used 3/8” plate like you did. I used 1/4” and they warped some from the welding. Quite a bit of welding as I added four triangular gussets around the vertical pipe. What do you use for “clearance” on your slots for the tabbed parts please? Do you shorten the tab to allow for weld? Or would you if you were mig welding it? Happy new year!


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Sweet stand. What were the 4 holes for?

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Thank you!!!

Very nice work on the stand Pat. I'd love to have the capabilities of water jet and keying plate work. That is the cats meow.:bowdown::bowdown:

Be careful what you ask for...you might get it. At the FabTech show in November I saw a Desk Top Water Jet, although limited has potential and Omax has a new Machine out with a very competitive market price. Still spendy but less than half of my investment with great capability. The time may be coming...

Base looks very nice Pat! Your buffer looks like a twin to mine- love those Baldors! I just made some base plates for a sign display and I wish I had used 3/8” plate like you did. I used 1/4” and they warped some from the welding. Quite a bit of welding as I added four triangular gussets around the vertical pipe. What do you use for “clearance” on your slots for the tabbed parts please? Do you shorten the tab to allow for weld? Or would you if you were mig welding it? Happy new year!

I try and minimize the welds just for the reason you mention. I still have warping but the Rubber Feet I need to order should take that up.

The Slot is +.001 or so per side on the Material Thickness and I add .010 to the length centering the Tab on the slot. The slot length is drive by fractions 1/4, 3/8, 1/2 and so on. Then the Tab is created .010 shorter. The reason is years of creating designs/Programs for Turret Presses. Punch lengths are typically driven by fractions or millimeters thus making a slot .510 long takes 2 hits with a shorter punch where a .500 slot requires 1 hit with a 1/2 inch long punch if that makes sense.

Shortening the Tab has it pluses and minuses. In this case I shortened the Tab by 1/32 because it is 1/4 inch material. Of it was .060 CRS I would have shortened it by 1/128 so I can burn it in below flush eliminating the grinding.

In a case where it will be an appearance surface I may add material causing the Tab to protrude so when you burn it in the welder does not have to add filler rod and there is material to be removed by the metal finisher to create a smooth and continuous surface.

There are a million ways to skin this cat. All of them driven by cost and final outcome.

Pat,

Sweet stand. What were the 4 holes for?

The 4 holes are for 2 reasons:

1. Drainage for the Powder Coat. This saves time and money on the Powder Coat end. During the wash process the cleaning liquids need a place to drain. Less opportunity for blistering paint based on water entrapment.

In most cases I would have done what I did at the top, cut a clearance Hole and dropped the Tube through but wanted as much mass at the bottom as possible. Lower center of gravity.

2. Locating the vertical Tube. Scribing lines takes to long. I have 1 inch Dowel Pins I just place in the holes and drop the tube over them to align it to the Base. After tack Welding I remove the Dowels. Kind of like the Tab and Slot deal minus the Tab.

Have I mentioned I love DFM!!! Design for Manufacturing.

All the millions of tricks we perform here at the plant I incorporate into my projects at the home shop.

Than you all for following along.

Happy New Year!!!
 

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The 4 holes are for 2 reasons:



1. Drainage for the Powder Coat. This saves time and money on the Powder Coat end. During the wash process the cleaning liquids need a place to drain. Less opportunity for blistering paint based on water entrapment.



In most cases I would have done what I did at the top, cut a clearance Hole and dropped the Tube through but wanted as much mass at the bottom as possible. Lower center of gravity.



2. Locating the vertical Tube. Scribing lines takes to long. I have 1 inch Dowel Pins I just place in the holes and drop the tube over them to align it to the Base. After tack Welding I remove the Dowels. Kind of like the Tab and Slot deal minus the Tab.



Have I mentioned I love DFM!!! Design for Manufacturing.



All the millions of tricks we perform here at the plant I incorporate into my projects at the home shop.


Thought maybe drainage. Didn’t realize that it was necessary for powder coat. Expected you to cut a clearance hole, slide it through...but extra mass makes sense.

Using dowels to locate though, that’s a downright bad *** idea!! Kinda keeps thinking on the computer and eliminates it from assembly. Slick..
 
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What is the reason for a water jet over a laser? I looked into purchasing a multi-head water jet and starting a small business around it, but after talking to several people about it, I determined a laser or CNC plasma would be a easier machine to maintain and cheaper to operate.

Loaded question...even more loaded answer.

Back ground. I have been around Sheet Metal Lasers since 1979. We had a 500 Watt Laser on a Strippitt Turret Press. It was slow and very expensive to maintain. We didn't turn it on unless we need to.

As time went on more and more Machine Tool Suppliers started building Laser. Now they are the norm, probably more Laser installs going on today verses Turrets.

Currently my brother and I own 6 Lasers. 3 CO2 Amada 1212 Pulsars, 1 Mitsubishi CO2 4000 Watt and 2 Mitsubishi 8000 Watt Fibers. The support for these machines to keep them cutting is regular maintenance and lots of Assist Gas (Oxygen, Nitrogen and very rarely Shop Air).

The consumables are the Lenses and Nozzles. Lenses range anywhere from $1200 to 1500 each on the Co2's and 20K plus on the Fibers.

Entry pricing on the CO2's is cheap if you buy used. A good CO2 (no Chinese junk) new is in the $300K plus. Fiber is $600K plus. Again I am talking production machines that a build to run 24-7 and last a good long time with proper care.

The support systems you need cost money. Liquid Nitrogen and Liquid Oxygen in bulk. We have a 9000 Gallon Liquid Nitrogen Tank with a Pressure Builder (Trifecta System) and a 6000 Gallon Liquid Oxygen Tank. They are filled about once a week each. Do the math on 6 packs, 12 packs or Dura Cylinders you will spend more time changing tanks than yo will cutting.

Oxygen cutting is typically low pressure thus normally Liquid Cylinders will make enough pressure.

Nitrogen on the other hand requires way more pressure. Up to 400 psi thus you need a pressure building system to maintain high pressure. Get all 6 machines calling for HP Nitrogen and we have issues.

CO2 Lasers need to have the Vacuum Pump and Blower changed out about every 15000 hours. This is very costly. Optics need to be tweaked constantly by someone who knows what they are doing or you cut goes to hell in a hurry. Fibers are more forgiving, less optics to deal with but when you need to change a Lens you send the old head out for a rebuild. Typically they have an exchange program.

Slats: Your best bet is to invest in Copper Slats. We save 4 hours per bed (1 machine = 2 beds) per week by running Copper (that's 24 hours a week). The slag comes off easy and the Copper will out last the steel slats by 18 months. A set of steel slats may only last a week if you are cutting a lot of heavy plate. Not to mention you can scrap the Copper out and recapture 1/3 of your investment if you clean the slats before turning them in.

Lasers are limited on Materials. They will only cut what is in the wave length of the Beam. So metals on a metal laser are perfect. Start introducing other materials and you may have problems. Not to mention dust collector issues like fires. Cut plastic on a Metal Laser and sooner or later you will have a fire. Ask me how I know. Burnt 3 Dust Collectors to the ground in my tenure. Next person to cut Plastic, Wood or Copper in one of our Lasers will be looking for a job...and I am serious.

Laser Speed: Yep they are fast...never anywhere close to what the Manufactures state but they are fast. A laser needs to speed up and slow down for corners thus they never really hit full IPM. Take .118 CRS. We will program at 800 IMP on the internal features and 1200 on the externals and the real average speed is about 180-200 IPM with all the pierce time and travel time.

Thin materials cut way faster in a Fiber but once you hit 3/16 it is a wash with the CO2 until you get up to 1/2+ where the power becomes the driver of speed.

Our FMS Laser Systems are made for Lights out production and unmanned production during the day so the Set-ups and Operator can focus on programming and scheduling.

Our Amada Lasers are used for short run production and mainly prototype. They are programmed by Engineering and the Set-up loads the Program and Material and runs. We also do a lot of Combo Jobs on the Amadas. We may pre punch a blank and then finish it in the Laser. Or Laser first then punch. Or back and forth several times. We dabble in some pretty crazy stuff that requires thinking way outside the box.

Water Jet:

Slow on thin materials but close on thick for speed. No need for Nitrogen or Oxygen. You just need clean water (less than 250 PPM dissolved solids) and clean Garnet.

Consumables: Water Filters, Final Filters, Mixing Tubes (MT), MT Nuts and Garnet.

The entry point for a Water Jet can be as low as $40K on a new machine but a good machine is going to be around $150K without a Garnet removal system.

Versatility: A Water Jet can cut almost anything. Just remember the water takes the least path of resistance. So if you are cutting wood you will have issue with the grain. I have cut plastic, concrete, steel (all kinds) and there is no heat effected zone form the cut. A bonus when having to tap or c'snk holes after Laser.

For me it was entry level price and not having to deal with Liquid Oxy or Nitrogen. If you don't use it everyday they will bleed off which is a waste of money.

I could go on for another hour...but the Wife is calling saying my Ice Cream is served...LOL...

Water Jet or Laser? I would love to have a Laser at home...who knows...maybe someday. For now the Water Jet is the best solution for me.

If you are in the neighborhood let me know. I'll walk you through both facilities and you can see for yourself the pluses and minuses. I do value both!!!
 

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Good quick education on the two (three really) cutters, always nice to have a real pro throw down some info.

Is the clean up process any more messy or time consuming with the two?
 

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Great read. I really enjoy hearing your insight and first-hand knowledge. I would love to take you up on that tour sometime. What are the "cons" of the water jet?
 
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Good quick education on the two (three really) cutters, always nice to have a real pro throw down some info.

Is the clean up process any more messy or time consuming with the two?

2 Topics come to mind when you say "clean up"

Parts:

Clean up on a lasered parts is pretty much not an issue as far as edge quality goes. The Fiber Laser does throw what we refer to as the "Fiber Burr" which is easily removed. On some CRS and SST we get Bee-Bees on the corners when running Nitrogen which typically just fall off in handling for the most part but we have to make sure they are removed. A lot of the things we make get assembled with Printed Circuit Boards and the Bee-Bees can cause shorts in the boards should they get dislodged after assembly.

The Water Jet throws a burr comparable to the Fiber. And the Water Jet edge is a perfectly square and sharp edge and needs to be relieved. I run the parts either on a Scotchbrite Wheel or hit them with a DA and 60 Grit. I am in the market for a Vibratory Deburring Machine right now for the home shop.

Machine clean up:

Lasers:

Empty the Slug Buckets on the Amada. They can get heavy and "caked". They fill with all the holes and the Slag from the cutting. If you do it daily you can lift and dump them by hand.

On the FMS Lasers they have big slug/slag trays on wheels which need to shoveled out. Again catching the holes and slag. On a Fiber it is best to have the trays with a good base in them when cutting thicker material. Since the Laser is moving slower it create a lot heat in the tray with not only the molten slag but the beam divergence continuing on. Like the sun baking a surface.

And as mentioned the Slats need to be cleaned as well. We have a Slat Cleaner which is a set of vibrating jaws that pinch the Slat and like a Jig Saw the jaws go up and down 180° phased from each other. When this is done all that slag drop to the floor and that need to be swept up or shoveled. Need to do this once a week.

Dust Collectors: They all need to be cleaned about once a year. You look like a coal miner when you are done. We have an industrial Vacuum Cleaner that deposits the oxide dust in 55 gallon drums for disposal via our Recycling Vendor. We produce 1 55 Gallon Drum a week with the fines metal dust powder you will ever see and it migrates worse than Anti-Seize.

The Water Jet:

Wipe down the machine if you get any splashes. Do it right away before it dries and it is a lot easier.

Removing spent Garnet...either drain the tank and shovel or use an automated or manual Garnet removal system. The Automatic systems can recycle the spent Garnet but you have to have the volume to justify the cost.

My Water jet has used 2365 lb of Garnet so far. And I have not cleaned out the tank yet. I dread the process and I am building my own Garnet removal wand right now. Once that is complete I'll give it a shot and see how it performs. It is not mission critical but we are getting close...time to clean the tank!!!

I'll get pictures later today.

Great read. I really enjoy hearing your insight and first-hand knowledge. I would love to take you up on that tour sometime. What are the "cons" of the water jet?

Thank you.

Biggest con to me is the parts are always wet. Remnants always flash rust. WD-40 has become my best friend.

You will use a lot of air drying parts. This raises the humidity in the building so I have a dehumidifier running all summer long in the machine Shop. Produces about 5 gallons every other day. Need to set this up so it drains into the Water Jet Tank...one the todo list.

Disposing of the Garnet. I suspect I will have a nice beach someday with pure sand...LOL...

Programming Software and Code. The water jet is lacking in Software and Code. It does not run on G & M Code thus you cannot tweak the program by changing the NC Code. You have to go back to the DXF Flat and modify and re-execute. Pain in the ****.

The Lasers have material files with 9 cutting conditions for each type of material. Simply ad a E1-E9 to the code and you make a change. The water jet only allows for setting the cutter comp once and it applies to the whole part. So if you are trying to control one feature you need to back out all the way and modify the DXF and re-execute and now your DXF file is corrupted (the geometry is no longer real).

I am sure as they develop all these cons will be addresses. Laser are 20+ years ahead of the Water Jets.
 
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Amada Slug Bucket. Was just cleaned out on Friday.

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Vacuum Cleaner foreground and behind it Metal Oxide Dust. ABout 300 lbs of it.

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Copper Slats on a Bed waiting for the Automation to place a Sheet on it.

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In the bowels of the Fiber Laser looking through the Slats into the Slag Tray. They weight about 300+ lb when they pull them to shovel them out. The guy who does it says he skips his workout that day.

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8K Fiber Machine from the operator side. The Material in the pile is AR500 Plate. We make Target Systems.

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Back side of the 8K Fiber. This machine has a ABR System (Advanced Burr Reduction) on it. Something new we are playing with. The Tank in the middle is a mixing tank where it mixes 95% Nitrogen with 5% Oxygen. Thus the 12 pack of High pressure Oxygen. Since the Nitrogen is at 400 lbs we need to have the Oxygen at 405 lbs so it can mix it. Out Liquid Oxygen without a Pressure builder on it will not produce that kind of pressure.

The unit to the right of the Tank is the Chiller. Fibers require about 10 tons of Chiller and a CO2 at half the wattage requires a 40 Ton unit.

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Part of this weekend Lights Out running. Target Systems.

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Forgot to update one thing. The Pole Barns are painted...they turned out great.

Got a note back saying the Grandkids love them!!!

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Thanks for updating the little barn. It’s a small project for you but it came out awesome. My nephews and nieces would love it.

The previous post with those machines and finished products is awesome. Love seeing behind the scenes stuff like that. That type of work is fascinating.
 
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Thanks for updating the little barn. It’s a small project for you but it came out awesome. My nephews and nieces would love it.

The previous post with those machines and finished products is awesome. Love seeing behind the scenes stuff like that. That type of work is fascinating.

Thank you Big. The Barn was a big hit with the kids.

I should do more write-ups on the things we do here. But time dictates all...

I'll try and do more.
 
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Took a weekend off of Snowmobiling this week. The weather took it's toll on the Snow.

But I have to say the trails have never been better. Talked to one of the Groomer Drivers and he said they have never had a budget like they have this year for operating expenses due to an increase in Trail Pass cost. Nice to see they actually dedicated the monies to the Snowmobile Trail System.

Last night I put new Drawer Liners in a Snap-On Tool Box a received from my buddy John who passed away back in 2005. His Widow gave me the box.

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John was an avid collector of Snap-On promotional items. A couple of times a year he would fly to Pomona CA for the Swap Meets. He would purchase a Pick-up Truck (older vintage) and buy anything Snap-On with Women on them. Clocks, Mugs...all the stuff he could get his hands on. Then he would hire a driver to drive it back to MN and then fly him back to CA. His basement was packed with this stuff.

After his passing his Widow asked me to help sell of his collection of cars. He had over 50 cars stashed away in a couple of Pole Barns in ND. His father owned a Ford Dealership. Anything he took in trade with low miles and "odd" went into storage. He had a 1950 Buick Road Master with 3000K miles, a 1973 Ford Pinto with 1400 miles to Shelby Mustangs, Model A's and T's and tons of NOS parts. My Dad actually got all the parts to restore a 1957 E-Code Thunderbird from him. All new in the boxes. Bumpers, Chrome and Sheet Metal.

During the process of selling the cars I would stop by the house to pick up the titles for the vehicles I was hauling down from ND. I had seen the collection of Snap-On stuff when John was alive. One day she wanted to show me something in the Basement. I followed her down the steps and all of the stuff was gone. I asked what happened to it and she said "I don't want to hear about it!!! I hire a couple of guys and got a dumpster and had them get it all out of here. It was too much. Selling the cars has been hard on me and the Girls." He has 2 daughters, 8 and 10 at the time.

I didn't say a word...she wanted to show me a an old 2 foot x 6 foot workbench I built back when I was 16. John being the eccentric he was wanted that bench for who knows what reason and had me sign it. She wanted to know if I wanted it back. I declined as I did not have room for it.

He was the best mentor I had in life and business. I miss my dear friend. My Dad has one of his Cars, a 1962 Thunderbird 2 Seater Tonneau Cover car that was Edsel Ford's personal car. It sat on the Ford Concourse for a year before it arrived at their dealership.

Well I had been searching CL and FB Market Place for a Mac Tech Series as a workstation to keep all the things require for the Water Jet and all the tools. On my way out the door last Sunday morning I noticed this box tucked away in the corner. Hauled it down to the shop and cleaned it up.

The Drawer Liners were wore. Thanks to the GJ Thread on Drawer Liners I order some on Monday from Nu Source. They arrived Thursday and last night I cut them all. Worked pretty awesome.

I'll put this box to good use!!! Now I have find a new Lock for the left side.

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Took a weekend off of Snowmobiling this week. The weather took's its toll on the Back Country Snow.

But I have to say the trails have never been better. We don't ride them much. Talked to one of the Groomer Drivers and he said they have never had a budget like they have this year for operating expenses due to an increase in Trail Pass cost. Nice to see they actually dedicated the monies to the Snowmobile Trail System.
Good to hear. Hoping to get at least a day or two of riding in this year.

John was an avid collector of Snap-On promotional items.
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I followed her down the steps and all of the stuff was gone. I asked what happened to it and she said "I don't want to hear about it!!! I hire a couple of guys and got a dumpster and had them get it all out of here.

I understand but it would have been SO EASY to sell as a lot and at least get something out of it!

The Drawer Liners were wore. Thanks to the GJ Thread on Drawer Liners I order some on Monday from Nu Source. They arrived Thursday and last night I cut them all. Worked pretty awesome.

I'll put this box to good use!!! Now I have find a new Lock for the left side.

Looking good Pat. Not sure why you'd need the lock in your own shop but I'm pretty certain I understand the thinking behind it. :lol_hitti

Do you have a stock of Schaller bins or ordering those as you organize as well?
 
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Good to hear. Hoping to get at least a day or two of riding in this year.

Time is short...you had better get on it. We got about 5 inches yesterday.

I understand but it would have been SO EASY to sell as a lot and at least get something out of it!

You know I think the selling of the cars took it's toll. She just wanted it done.

Looking good Pat. Not sure why you'd need the lock in your own shop but I'm pretty certain I understand the thinking behind it. :lol_hitti

This will explain it better than anything I can come up with:


Do you have a stock of Schaller bins or ordering those as you organize as well?

Had a stock pile. Just ran out of 1 x 1 boxes...plenty of 2 x 1's in stock. Time to order again!!!
 
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I don't think my tape even reads that small,,, never really looked,,, hahahaha:lol_hitti

sberry you need a Tape like this.

1 Foot and Foot and a half...

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I keep this one at my desk. Anyone who asks to barrow a Tape Measure...this is what they get.
 

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I am a 25 ft construction tape kind of guy. These pics are a bit older, a little revamp but the other day I did core a new tape or 2 Lowes maybe? They had the good blade, seems they were on a super sale like 7$.
 

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My thing is learning to master the number 9 plier, the 440 Channelock. I get a comment every once in a while on it. The machine tools are over my head, I am fascinated with the modern battery drill and Sawzall.
 
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I am a 25 ft construction tape kind of guy. These pics are a bit older, a little revamp but the other day I did core a new tape or 2 Lowes maybe? They had the good blade, seems they were on a super sale like 7$.

My thing is learning to master the number 9 plier, the 440 Channelock. I get a comment every once in a while on it. The machine tools are over my head, I am fascinated with the modern battery drill and Sawzall.

sberry you have all my respect!!!

I know if I get to Michigan someday I am bringing you a Digital Caliper in both 6 and 12 Inch. And I don't care if you use them as paperweights!!!
 
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Fired up the Jet tonight. Cut a couple of Motor Plate for a Small Block Chevy NHRA Comp Eliminator Car. 6061T6 Aluminum cuts like butter.

The files arrived via email at 5:10 am this morning from TN. Tomorrow morning the Plates will be on their way back to TN. The things racers do...

I should understand. I was that crazy once not to long ago.

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Thanks for the mini lesson on industrial lasers! It's great to learn new things, and I've learned quite a bit from this thread so far. Eager to see whatever comes next on your project list :)
 

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sberry you have all my respect!!!

I know if I get to Michigan someday I am bringing you a Digital Caliper in both 6 and 12 Inch. And I don't care if you use them as paperweights!!!

I do have mics, I can't remember the last time I used one, was on an engine crank best I can remember and my tech used one the other day on an engine part. I had a digital hf I really liked but it got damaged and I forget to replace it. I can't even remember how to read a real mic, I had it in college but in my world I been at this long enough can see and feel something isn't right and sizes are standard,, hence the 25 ft tape with 1/8 or 1/16.
 

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I look in on this thread for a couple reasons, it's shop related and he equipment is somewhat interesting. I appreciate the need, the business and you use it because you got it.
I can do fussy craft work but I don't enjoy it or acedemic type stuff.
Installer is more my speed, engineers and smart types can figure out stuff I am clueless about. But doing general things require a pry bar and a 4# hammer I am way ahead.
Among the world's greatest inventions are self drillers, deck screws and battery drills.
 
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I been at this long enough can see and feel something isn't right and sizes are standard,, hence the 25 ft tape with 1/8 or 1/16.

Knowledge combine with experience = Wisdom...

I worked with a guy that ran a Niagara Shear from 1959 until 2007. He could mic material with his bare fingers and be within +/-.0005 almost every time. He could set a Front Gage just by feel with a Hammer. Using and index card and a shop scale he could cut blanks over 48 inches long within +/-.005. We would check them on a CMM.

Would love to know how many tons of steel he sheared in his career.

I look in on this thread for a couple reasons, it's shop related and he equipment is somewhat interesting. I appreciate the need, the business and you use it because you got it.
I can do fussy craft work but I don't enjoy it or acedemic type stuff.
Installer is more my speed, engineers and smart types can figure out stuff I am clueless about. But doing general things require a pry bar and a 4# hammer I am way ahead.
Among the world's greatest inventions are self drillers, deck screws and battery drills.

Amen...

I still own Hammers...even have a Hacksaw. Used it the other day to put a new Ground Clamp on the Plasma Cutter. I just had to remember "Blade Down" and "Teeth towards me".
 
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Thanks for the mini lesson on industrial lasers! It's great to learn new things, and I've learned quite a bit from this thread so far. Eager to see whatever comes next on your project list :)

Thank you...

Sometimes I wonder if I go to deep on subjects. I guess it is the passion...

I need to quit my day job so I can get on with the projects.
 

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You go into detail just fine. Its complicated. There isn't a simple or cheap way. Its practical. You can probably think most of it thru before you get to it, got the stock, in comparison can do it all at the right cost and can afford it. You are not a slave to a hobby.
 
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Thank you...

Sometimes I wonder if I go to deep on subjects. I guess it is the passion...

I need to quit my day job so I can get on with the projects.

Please continue providing the level of detail you do- it passes on little bits of knowledge many of us don't have the opportunity to experience all the time.

As long as I can still call you and get radius gauges and bearing spacers cut on the 'jet when you are around you have my blessing to quit giving yourself more gray hairs.
 
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You go into detail just fine. Its complicated. There isn't a simple or cheap way. Its practical. You can probably think most of it thru before you get to it, got the stock, in comparison can do it all at the right cost and can afford it. You are not a slave to a hobby.

Thanks sberry. I tend not to think too long unless it involves strategy. I am a no nonsense type that get to a conclusion pretty quick based on facts and very little emotion or empathy. That I know. Been pointed out many times in the past. I try a tailor responses to the audience...Tech Writing in College paid off...I think.





Wanting stuff can be good. It fits Pat well. No one is missing a meal or a paycheck cause you got a pile of nice stuff.

Not sure if it is a "want" or a path to completing the mission I set out to do???

Where I am today is solely based on goals I set long ago. I have always been building things and learning. By 43 years old I had everything I ever set out to do in life. I wasn't easy and it wasn't hard. Crawled through some mine fields covered in shattered glass at times but it made me much more resilient. I love a good challenge. The last 8 years have not been a struggle at all...but there were days prior I would have traded lives with anyone and those who knew what was going on would not trade for anything...they told me that right to my face.

I am grateful to have allowed the families of our company not to have to worry about security and they have allowed me the same. We are all on the same ship. We wither sink or float together.




Please continue providing the level of detail you do- it passes on little bits of knowledge many of us don't have the opportunity to experience all the time.

As long as I can still call you and get radius gauges and bearing spacers cut on the 'jet when you are around you have my blessing to quit giving yourself more gray hairs.

Got it Travis...Thank you... In meetings at times I have been know to run us deep in a Rabbit Hole...as they say. I tell everyone oh well...Take what applies to you and leave the rest behind.

You can swing in any time. You just may have to look a little hard to find me!!! I hope to be spending more time here at the Shop then at the plant.






This weekend was pretty quiet. Spent Friday evening watching the Gold Guys while my Wife read a book. 29 years, 9 months and 9 days of marriage...who needs to go out on Valentines Day?

Saturday the BIL came over and we diagnosed the problem with a his Wife's BMW. Bad sensor wire to the right rear brake. We also determined it needs a brake job. So I think the BMW will be on the lift soon again.

While playing on Saturday we headed to our favorite place to eat in Stillwater. Grabbed our usual table and our server of 12 years automatically brought over a couple of Hamms. Chewed the fat for a bit and then placed our order without even asking what we wanted...LOL...I love that. On the way back to the shop we sow a sign...Gun Show...

OK count me in. Really nothing of interest there for me. Lots of nice stuff but I am a specific buyer and if it does not involve Finger Print, Photos and a 10-12 month wait I am not really a player. Good show however.

Did find a Colt Python for a friend. New in Box from a long time ago. He is a "Snake" Collector. Sent him a text and he bought it within 45 minutes of getting the message.

Today was really quiet. Caught up on NFA Paperwork and made the long haul to my Gun Dealer to get some papers signed. Came back here to the shop and went to get a wrench and noticed my Crowsfoot(s) were all over the place in a Drawer. Been on the list of things to do for 20+ years. I bit the bullet...

Measured them up and cut a piece of .500 thk 6061-T6. One more thing to cross off the list...next I might tighten up the Carlyle Hex and Torx Sockets I got a few weeks ago...need to wait until the Reverse Torx Sockets I order get here. Nice to have them all in one area on the same tray.

Cross one off and add one on!!!

Time for Dinner. Wife just call and said steaks will be done in 12 minutes!!!

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Wow, just spent the last few days reading all 28 pages of this. I started a thread about oil funnel drains and storage and a member linked to yours. Very impressive funnel rack. My idea is some pvc and fittings since I have a ton of them and should work out good. Won't be anywhere close to the same level as yours.

Figured if he builds a funnel rack like that I should stick around and see what else is in this thread so hit up page one. Spent a few hours each night over the weekend reading the whole thing and again, WOW.

Very impressive skills you have and also loved reading your stories about life too. I'll be checking in every now and again to see what new projects you are working on.
 
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