mikeswrenches
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joe.striper
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They look similar but they are very different. The Parko rear moves not the front. Made by Athol. Very different. I've had lots of vandernan's, my first Parko
Just what the doctor ordered. I just found this Holland’s 53-1/2 H, it has 4-1/2” jaws and weighs in at a hefty 93 lbs. The vise is in great condition and has the original pipe jaws which is a rarity for me. The Mortar and pestle is cast iron and weighs about eight pounds. After doing some research I found out it’s from the late 1800’s and would have been used in a gold assayers office to grind ore.
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va.grouseman
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Any of you fellows watching the Jacobson on ePray.---Looks like it did very well.---I really thought they had 3 toes rather than 4.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1440311844...=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1440311844...=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Two nice finds Smitty!
davethorik
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Any of you fellows watching the Jacobson on ePray.---Looks like it did very well.---I really thought they had 3 toes rather than 4.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1440311844...=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Va, if you re-read the description, seller states it is a shop-made base. It looked suspicious to me, too. But i missed that detail the first time I read the description.
consti2tion
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Thank you sir. This thread is full of great pieces of art, mine doesn't compare to some of the craftsmanship and attention to detail you all have put into your vises.
I plan to build a new work bench to mount this one on. The Ridgid F45 will stay on the Craftsman work bench, albeit it is not vintage or made in the USA it is a fairly decent inexpensive German made vise.
Mr. Wonderful
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Smitty,
Very nice Hollands! My 54H is one of my absolute favorites. I swear yours is the first combination vise I have seen with all of the pipe jaws intact. Nice score!
Very nice Hollands! My 54H is one of my absolute favorites. I swear yours is the first combination vise I have seen with all of the pipe jaws intact. Nice score!
Shiftless
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Smitty:
Yes, those Hollands are rare and even more so with the pipe jaws still present. Nice score!
And thanks for posting your mortar and pestle.
I do believe that would be a non starter thread on GJ...”Show us your mortar and pestles”
Yes, those Hollands are rare and even more so with the pipe jaws still present. Nice score!
And thanks for posting your mortar and pestle.
I do believe that would be a non starter thread on GJ...”Show us your mortar and pestles”
drivesitfar
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Joe: thanks for the 411!
Smitty: I hate to say it but I like your old ire grinder more than your big Holland. Thanks for a bit more history too.
Smitty: I hate to say it but I like your old ire grinder more than your big Holland. Thanks for a bit more history too.
Thanks guys, these Holland’s rarely come up so I was happy to find it. It’s been lightly used and it’s surprising how big it is for a 4-1/2” vise. Here’s some info I found on the mortar and pestle, it’s going on my desk at work.
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Mark Stansbury
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Here's a newly-found manufacturer, Benjamin Uydess & Sons, Inc. The article I found was in American Machinist, but this cast bronze vise seems more applicable to jewelers' work.
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Smitty Does your mortar have the raised cast lettering around the base like the one in the pic? I assume yours is the same as in the ad? Clicking on the pic caused a black spot.
What is the lettering? That is really cool!
What is the lettering? That is really cool!
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I’m hoping someone here can help me out. I’m currently a grad student in the front range of Colorado both working on my PhD and trying to start a business on the side (manufacturing/CADCAM/toolmaking). I’ve been looking for a good vise for a long while but I’m having trouble. I don’t need a vise per se, as I have one that I built myself (5” jaws, welded steel body, machined moving components) that works fantastically well, but I’ve long desired a medium to large Wilton machinist’s vise. I want it from an appreciation perspective but also as a vise to use each and every day. The sealed slide design of the Wilton vises is an essential attribute to me as I spend a lot of time working in a shop with everything from a CNC mill to several belt grinders to woodworking tools so keeping metal dust, chips, and sawdust out of the greased moving parts is a huge advantage. In an ideal world I’d find a 450S or similar as that’s the size that would be most useful to me but I could also work with a 500 or less preferably a 400 (the limiting factor being maximum jaw opening for holding large pieces). Does anyone have any leads or anything they wouldn’t mind passing forward? I don’t mind a rough one; I'd have fun restoring it and then using it well, but I’d also be fine with a better condition one. I’m not a tool collector by any means, I just like high quality, well made tools that I can take satisfaction in using for a long time to come. Please feel free to message me or ask me any and all questions you may have.
Thanks,
Callum
Edit: I have been keeping an eye on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace for the last year or so but the few appropriate vises that have shown up have been closer to $1000, far more than I'd consider paying. There just don't appear to be many older vises around here.
Thanks,
Callum
Edit: I have been keeping an eye on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace for the last year or so but the few appropriate vises that have shown up have been closer to $1000, far more than I'd consider paying. There just don't appear to be many older vises around here.
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PierceA
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Callum; keep looking in Craigslist for your area, Facebook Marketplace, and Ebay. Of course local estate sales, flea markets, and yard/garage sales..
All the above will eventually net you a good American made vise.
A Wilton is not fully sealed, Unless the operator spins the vise closed religiously after each use, it will have some exposed, lubricated slide area that picks up dust, grim and grinding dust.
To protect any vise or machine with exposed machined and lubricated surfaces, simply cover the devise with some sort of cover. A custom cover could be made from heavy canvas or similar material, or simply use a good garbage bag but leave it open facing down, you don't want to create a condensation problem..
Ebay has several good quality American vises in 4", 4.5" and 5". Parkers, Reeds, Columbians, etc. And most or many ebay sellers will ship.
PierceA
All the above will eventually net you a good American made vise.
A Wilton is not fully sealed, Unless the operator spins the vise closed religiously after each use, it will have some exposed, lubricated slide area that picks up dust, grim and grinding dust.
To protect any vise or machine with exposed machined and lubricated surfaces, simply cover the devise with some sort of cover. A custom cover could be made from heavy canvas or similar material, or simply use a good garbage bag but leave it open facing down, you don't want to create a condensation problem..
Ebay has several good quality American vises in 4", 4.5" and 5". Parkers, Reeds, Columbians, etc. And most or many ebay sellers will ship.
PierceA
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Haven't seen this Rock Island model - link to ad in 1924 magazine
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drivesitfar
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Callum: if you are set on a Wilton bullet I’d recommend the C series and for that kind of money you can buy a brand new Wilton C2.
If you were closer I’d probably have a few vises for you to choose from to get you moving forward but I’m not sure who lives near you anymore. One of the guys that fixed a ton of old vises did live in Colorado but he retired and moved to east coast. Maybe he can see this and chime in with some idea. Like Pierce mentioned you have too look hard and make a quick decision but if it’s a bum deal or broken vise don’t pull the trigger and buy it. Want to take a road trip to PNW stop on by here. Good luck!!
Smitty: thanks for posting even more info on your ore grinder!!
If you were closer I’d probably have a few vises for you to choose from to get you moving forward but I’m not sure who lives near you anymore. One of the guys that fixed a ton of old vises did live in Colorado but he retired and moved to east coast. Maybe he can see this and chime in with some idea. Like Pierce mentioned you have too look hard and make a quick decision but if it’s a bum deal or broken vise don’t pull the trigger and buy it. Want to take a road trip to PNW stop on by here. Good luck!!
Smitty: thanks for posting even more info on your ore grinder!!
Mark Stansbury
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Just added to Vintage Machinery, Chandler & Washburn, made machinists and woodworking vises.
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Also added to Vintage Machinery, Midland Iron Works, manufacturer of the Shupe vise.
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Outlawmws
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That’s a nice looking shop made vise outlaw the square thread screw and the pressed in nut are signs of a quality machinist. The jaws are also nice and deep for the size. Good find.
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Outlawmws
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Yeah, I was pretty impressed Rusty. those inserts appear to be bronze (the tip has one also)
mikeswrenches
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I picked up three Vises today! An American Scale Red seal No. 61 (3" jaws, 6" opening and weighs about 45 lbs) plus two no names, a Shop made machienst/Drill press vise, and a hand vise. black finish (Japanned?) and actual teeth on the jaws, (I only see this smooth...)
Outlaw, The hand vise looks like the Millers Falls No. 3 I have. If it is, it should be marked on the side with the bolt head down toward the bottom. It’s quite small, so you may have to wipe off some of the ‘crud’.
Outlawmws
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Mike, no markings whatsoever (And no crud, the black is either paint, or Japanning.)- The only thing real distinctive are the jaws with a "single cut file" pattern, so the jaws criss cross each other when facing. (Not Crosshatched)
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454ragtop
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Pics of a few new additions from the past couple weeks. A Parker 44 filers vise, sadly has a broken corner on the slide. Haven't decided if I'm going to keep it as is, try to repair it, or part it out. I'm afraid I may not be happy with it even repaired if the repair isn't invisible.
Next is a little Millers falls 2-1/2" swivel base clamp on.
A Phoenix 2" Colton Patent vise, needs the wings on the clamp screw repaired.
I'll show a couple more in the next post.
Next is a little Millers falls 2-1/2" swivel base clamp on.
A Phoenix 2" Colton Patent vise, needs the wings on the clamp screw repaired.
I'll show a couple more in the next post.
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454ragtop
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Couple more, found my second Columbian 804 fabricated steel vise. While cosmetically challenged, it's actually in pretty nice shape.
And then for something different, a Sevo machine vise for holding odd shapes. It's pretty strange, the plates on top of the jaws spin and slide around, then can be locked in place with the rods sticking out of the side of the jaws. Made in Sweden, I've never seen anything like it before, very large and heavy, 5-1/2" wide jaws that open to about 5".
And then for something different, a Sevo machine vise for holding odd shapes. It's pretty strange, the plates on top of the jaws spin and slide around, then can be locked in place with the rods sticking out of the side of the jaws. Made in Sweden, I've never seen anything like it before, very large and heavy, 5-1/2" wide jaws that open to about 5".
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PierceA
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454Ragtop: I think you meant to describe your No.44 Filer's vise to be a Parker. 
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My experience with repairing the rear corners of slides is that while they can be done very well and precisely, they are almost always visible if you look for the line. The problem is that it is is machined surface. If it was painted or a rough-finish like a cast part, it can be almost invisible. BUT the machined surface will show the different grain of the replacement corner metal and the weld or weld line..
However, on some very rare vises, the only way I can find or afford a rare model is if it is a damaged one.. BUT I like examples of historic items, in spite of being damaged and hopefully nicely repaired..
PierceA
. My experience with repairing the rear corners of slides is that while they can be done very well and precisely, they are almost always visible if you look for the line. The problem is that it is is machined surface. If it was painted or a rough-finish like a cast part, it can be almost invisible. BUT the machined surface will show the different grain of the replacement corner metal and the weld or weld line..
However, on some very rare vises, the only way I can find or afford a rare model is if it is a damaged one.. BUT I like examples of historic items, in spite of being damaged and hopefully nicely repaired..
PierceA
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Outlawmws
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Definitely a homeowners vise static jaw. Seems I've heard of Hardy before, but a search will get swallowed up with the Hardy Cutter nomenclature...
davethorik
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Love that AS 3" you got outlaw!! 45 lbs is a beast for a 3" vise! I have a Ridge Tool Simplex 3" (25 lbs) and a Sawyer 3" (28 lbs) both swivel base. Wow!
Outlawmws
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Thanks Dave! Yeah the AS is a bit of a beast for what it is.
PierceA
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Va: Thanks for the images of your Parker 436. Your's also has only a single screw in the screw-retaining fork. Even though it is a 6" Parker vise.. And thanks for a look at your captive chained up vises..
Your 'chain-gang' is quite entertaining!
PierceA.
Your 'chain-gang' is quite entertaining!
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steaks&anvils
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454ragtop,
That is the coolest vise ever!!!! I bet I could have used that vise hundreds of times with all the weird stuff I have needed to clamp.
A nine swiveler! that has to be a record!
akasrick
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Howdy Outlaw.
Possibly from this post;
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9047142&postcount=1938
I wrote a Hardy vise up in the best light I could.
The optimistic me can now give up on my Bonney speculation and a trans-Atlantic cooperation tie in. Maybe.
The pessimist in me says write something up and post it before it disappears.
Right or wrong I can only learn.
Crazy vise world.
Thanks Mark for posting that picture.
akasrick
Mark's link added to the Vise Info post.
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PghJKB
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454
On your Sevo. It looks like it is the "Big One":
Sevo Vise
Manufactured in Sweden
US Patent #2541605 Issued to S.E.W. (Sven Erik Wilner) Ohlsson of Goteborg, Sweden on 13 Feb 1951.
US Distributor De Wilde-Jones - later directly sold by Sevo.
Looks like they are circa late 1940's through mid 1950's. First mention I found was 1947, last 1956. Perhaps FJ or CRS has more. Cannot find the Popular Sci/Mech ad I had and GOOGLE does not list it in it's results.
Per one of their ads:
Called the "Sevo " vise, its jaws consist of a series of machined and ground flat plates which hinge or swivel in any desired direction to coordinate with the shape of the held object.
They were made in 3 size jaws: 1 1/4; 2 1/2; and 5.
URL to USPTO:
https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageN...1=2541605.PN.%26OS=pn/2541605%26RS=PN/2541605
An ad for sevo can be found here:
https://archive.org/details/sim_cal...-10_16_10/page/94/mode/2up?q=sevo+vise+sweden
Looks like yours is missing one of the locking levers. Good score.
JKB
drivesitfar
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VA: thanks for taking the time to uncover and take and post a few pics of the chain gang (probably needed another shot or two of oil anyway). it's fun seeing them again and I bet you like looking too. I think instead of shopping for the tiny prentiss your next big purchase should be a Stronghold cabinet so you can bring some of those old beauties inside?
a stronghold cabinet comes in 4 and 5 foot wide versions 6.5 feet tall and 2 feet deep that weight 500-900 pounds and each shelf hold over 1000 pounds (I finally bent a shelf on mine, but only because I had 3000 pounds of gym weight plates setting on it for 5 years) and it didn't bend much.
454: Since that old Parker's broken slide doesn't really effect it's use (or if it does i'd like to hear how and why) maybe instead of parting it out how about cutting out the other side to match? i'm guessing since the vise doesn't look abused that it was just dropped or fell and broke the chunk off the slide?
at first glance that machinist vise looks homemade, but I guess it's not and nice find!!
a stronghold cabinet comes in 4 and 5 foot wide versions 6.5 feet tall and 2 feet deep that weight 500-900 pounds and each shelf hold over 1000 pounds (I finally bent a shelf on mine, but only because I had 3000 pounds of gym weight plates setting on it for 5 years) and it didn't bend much.
454: Since that old Parker's broken slide doesn't really effect it's use (or if it does i'd like to hear how and why) maybe instead of parting it out how about cutting out the other side to match? i'm guessing since the vise doesn't look abused that it was just dropped or fell and broke the chunk off the slide?
at first glance that machinist vise looks homemade, but I guess it's not and nice find!!
Mark Stansbury
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The ACCO / Acco / American Chain Co. vise story on Vintage Machinery, with these 2 images and 2 links to GJ. I was assisted by Automotive News recently added to Archive.org.
