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I've been buying vintage Greenfield (mostly) sharpining them and using when I need to. Its amazing how cheep that I can find old light use 3tap sets on Ebay.



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I'm a sucker for most any tool in a fitted wooden case, and hence probably have too many tap and die sets. Here's pics of some of them.
 

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To answer the original question - I got into taps and dies when looking at a set at Lowe's. On a whim, I searched eBay, and realized that for less than new import, I could have a high quality Kromedge set. I bought one, and never looked back! Not a wood box (I wish), but the quality and the value is amazing!
 

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I have a HUGE lot of vintage taps for sale on eBay.
Very nice stuff, but if that photo is all of it, HUGE may be an overstatement. We'll follow the auction to see what is current market value.

And yes, I'm a Greenfield Tap and Die guy. For very little money, it's possible to build a HUGE collection of vintage taps and dies. Metrics are another story. Good ones don't come around as often.

jack vines
 

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Very nice stuff, but if that photo is all of it, HUGE may be an overstatement. We'll follow the auction to see what is current market value.

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Metrics are another story. Good ones don't come around as often.

jack vines

Haha - fair enough, “HUGE” is relative. And yes - this is why I am selling these - I only have use for metric tools. My keeper set is a metric Kromedge.

PS: No idea what the value of the lot is, so it’s not an auction - just a Buy it Now sale.
 
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I'm a sucker for most any tool in a fitted wooden case, and hence probably have too many tap and die sets. Here's pics of some of them.
Here is my Greenfield ok 311. USS and SAE. All dies are original save for one. Still looking for USS and SAE taps. f31f2f04e357ed99b9bb2430cea762de.jpg4ea4998d5054c0a05bcbd48e83a1867b.jpg

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Haha - fair enough, “HUGE” is relative. And yes - this is why I am selling these - I only have use for metric tools. My keeper set is a metric Kromedge.

PS: No idea what the value of the lot is, so it’s not an auction - just a Buy it Now sale.
What am I looking at, sizes etc?

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Here is my Greenfield ok 311. USS and SAE. All dies are original save for one. Still looking for USS and SAE taps.

List the tap sizes you need to complete your GTD set. I have a few extra, as may others here.

jack vines
 

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So many of the modern sets don't seem to have a split in the die.
Back in the day they all had a split and an adjustment screw on the holder. The only ones that had no split were the hex shaped die nuts that were just for restoring a rough thread.

So for that reason (and the wooden box) I'd prefer a good vintage set. Also, many of them were HSS and not just carbon steel.
 

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I have a few sets, an empty box, some orphans and stragglers, and a distant cousin. Inspired enough by a fresh thread topic, I just pulled them all out for a family portrait. After seeing the minty-condition of 454ragtop's and Galaxie-Ed's sets, though, I’m almost ashamed to show them! :lol:

EDIT: I missed lilredex's, but saw it before on the Garage Sale thread! I could use those for dinner utensils! :)
 

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Here are some photos I took last year outside in the sun of the big one - a Greenfield Tap and Die “Little Giant” Screw Plate No. 40 set. I’m not sure how old it is. A lot of the pieces are dated 1915. Just a few shreds of the label left on top - enough to identify it, and the label underneath the lid is badly deteriorating. Instructions in four languages: English, French (Avis), Italian (Instruziones), and Portuguese (Instruccoes).

I have seen a few of these two-layer "Little Giant" sets, from Wells Brothers, or /G\T/D\, which bought Wells out, sometimes in better condition, but very rarely this big (31" x 11" x 5-1/2"). If someone else has one, I’d love to get some info.

It has Screw Plates No. 9 and No. 20, and Tap Wrenches No. 6 and No. 7-1/2. Missing a few taps and dies.
 

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On top of that in the first photo is this Wiley & Russell “Green River” Screw Plate No. 2029. It includes all the dies from 1/4-20 to 1/2-13, missing the 1/4 and 5/16 taps, and the tap handle. I haven’t even cleaned this one up yet. Just enough of the label to make it legible.
 

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The large die stocks with orphan dies laying on top of the various boxes are an S.W. Card, a Wells Bros “Little Giant”, and an ancient Armstrong with a primitive set-up.
 

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The box on the very top in the group photo is this Pratt & Whitney Button Die Screw Plate No. 239. I like the way they handled the label. Very practical. One label for all their sets, and they just type-set in different numbers, depending on the set. If you’re having trouble reading it, it’s supposed to have five (5) dies and five (5) taps of each type (plug, bottoming, and taper) from 1/4-28 to 1/2-20 NF. I picked it up with thoughts of eventually filling it, but I rarely run into P&W taps or dies. If anyone is in the opposite situation, with a mess of P&W pieces and no box to put them in, let me know.
 

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The cardboard boxes sitting on the corner of the big GTD box in the group photo are these NOS mixed 3-tap sets. The /G\T/D\ box has a wooden insert for the taps (3/8").
 

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I also have a complete Craftsman (made by Reed) drop-head pipe threader (1/4, 3/8, 1/2, 3/4, and 1" dies) with a carrier patented (1,961,450) by Reed in 1934. The carrier is ingenious, integrating the threader handle as a handle for the entire set. The carrier has the patent embossed in it, and the Heritage logo often aligned with late 40’s, but the dies are all marked with the geometric underline Craftsman logo from the late 30’s and wartime 40’s, so I suspect this may be transitional immediate postwar (1946-ish).
 

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Here are some photos I took last year outside in the sun of the big one - a Greenfield Tap and Die “Little Giant” Screw Plate No. 40 set. I’m not sure how old it is. A lot of the pieces are dated 1915. Just a few shreds of the label left on top - enough to identify it, and the label underneath the lid is badly deteriorating. Instructions in four languages: English, French (Avis), Italian (Instruziones), and Portuguese (Instruccoes).

I have seen a few of these two-layer "Little Giant" sets, from Wells Brothers, or /G\T/D\, which bought Wells out, sometimes in better condition, but very rarely this big (31" x 11" x 5-1/2"). If someone else has one, I’d love to get some info.

It has Screw Plates No. 9 and No. 20, and Tap Wrenches No. 6 and No. 7-1/2. Missing a few taps and dies.

Lugz, the first 2 pics in my post show basically the same set. Maybe mine is a year or 2 newer? Does coarse and fine threads, from 1/4" to 1". Wood box is 33" long. A lot of my taps have been replaced by other quality brands, that doesn't bother me. Have a few spare dies might be able to help if you list which ones you're missing.
 

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Lugz, the first 2 pics in my post show basically the same set. Maybe mine is a year or 2 newer? Does coarse and fine threads, from 1/4" to 1". Wood box is 33" long. A lot of my taps have been replaced by other quality brands, that doesn't bother me. Have a few spare dies might be able to help if you list which ones you're missing.
I saw your set, 454rt. A classic and minty looking No. 312! Mine is a No. 40, which goes from 1/4 to 1-1/4. So, a few more dies and taps, but yeah, basically the same.

Quite a bit older than yours, though, I'd say. I have seen older No. 312 sets than yours, with the same label as mine, with the Screw Plate No. 312 on the left, exactly where my No. 40 is, and the thread types on the right of the Little Giant name, the cutting sizes listed in one row under that, the illustration of the GTD plant in the middle, and the instructions in the different languages on the sides of that. I may have saved the images when doing research. If you're interested I will try to find them.

I have been casually looking around for the missing taps and dies, but not too hard to be honest. This is one of those sets where the bulk of it and the box and having most of the pieces overwhelms the missing pieces.

What size (O.D.) dies go in your die stocks? Mine is supposed to have:
- seven (7) 2-3/4"-dia. dies for the Screw Plate No. 9 die stock: 1/4, 5/16, 3/8, 7/16, 1/2, 5/8, and 3/4 (I am missing the 5/16 and the 7/16).
- four (4) 4"-dia. dies for the Screw Plate No. 20 stock: 7/8, 1, 1-1/8, and 1-1/4. (Have them all.)

Missing the following taps: 1/4, 3/8, 9/16, 7/8. EDIT: I'd have to go back to my cheat sheets for the types.

But I wonder how different the model numbers and markings and such are from my era to yours.

I really appreciated Lugz picking up the Dunlap set for my Dunlap collection. Here are a few more pictures.
There's a reason we sometimes call you Donlap! :)

Gorgeous! That red or orange or whatever it is really pops!
 
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Not sure how old my set is, it's something I inherited from my dad. It is in a wooden box that is a little warped and has several broken dies in it. I think I've used it probably 3 times in my life ( I'm 47), but I keep it in a drawer in my box because it's old and was Dad's. I also have a monster sized die wrench that I have no idea where Dad got it from. There are no dies for it but I have it on a shelf down in the basement because it's cool. The dies for it must be 1 1/4 inches or so and it's about 20 inches long. I guessing it was probably for plumbing work.
 

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Semi-home mech,
Post photos when you get a chance.

Somewhere in this mess from Friday’s flea market haul, which I am still slowly getting to…

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…is this unusual die stock.

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It’s called a DUPLEX-B,made by Hart Manufacturing in Cleveland, and uses a sophisticated cam and lock design I had never see before, patented (1,143,960) in 1915. Click here to see the patent on the USPTO site.

Here it is broken down into piece-parts: the handle/threaded head, the chaser dies, the cam plate, the threaded locking plate, and a simple wingnut stop mechanism. Not sure why the plates seem to have different part numbers (S521) than the die cutters (316) and stock (316).

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Here’s the head, numbered 1 through 4 for the die cutters.

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Here are the numbered die cutters.

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Here they are inserted into their respective slots.

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This cam plate flips over and grabs the pins on the top of the die cutters.

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When you turn the handle on the cam plate, it pulls the dies into position.

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Here's the underside of the locking plate…

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It tightens down and locks the cam plate and dies into place.

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Semi-home mech,
Post photos when you get a chance.

Somewhere in this mess from Friday’s flea market haul, which I am still slowly getting to…

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…is this unusual die stock.

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It’s called a DUPLEX-B,made by Hart Manufacturing in Cleveland, and uses a sophisticated cam and lock design I had never see before, patented (1,143,960) in 1915. Click here to see the patent on the USPTO site.

Here it is broken down into piece-parts: the handle/threaded head, the chaser dies, the cam plate, the threaded locking plate, and a simple wingnut stop mechanism. Not sure why the plates seem to have different part numbers (S521) than the die cutters (316) and stock (316).

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Here’s the head, numbered 1 through 4 for the die cutters.

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Here are the numbered die cutters.

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Here they are inserted into their respective slots.

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This cam plate flips over and grabs the pins on the top of the die cutters.

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When you turn the handle on the cam plate, it pulls the dies into position.

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Here's the underside of the locking plate…

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It tightens down and locks the cam plate and dies into place.

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It's awesome to see stuff like that, amazing what they made back then. I bet that it works well.

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I have a few sets, an empty box, some orphans and stragglers, and a distant cousin. Inspired enough by a fresh thread topic, I just pulled them all out for a family portrait. After seeing the minty-condition of 454ragtop's and Galaxie-Ed's sets, though, I’m almost ashamed to show them! [emoji38]

EDIT: I missed lilredex's, but saw it before on the Garage Sale thread! I could use those for dinner utensils! :)
Awesome stuff. A couple dies in that set had a little rust on em that I polished off. I oiled em up, and put an anti rust sheet in the box.

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Split in the die!
It's too adjust the fit of the finished threaded part.
Die and taps are now made with a built in clearance. H1, H2,H3 each is .0005, 10 thou. different.
Yes, it comes in handy. I made some custom thread inserts for a carburetor that needed to seal, so i made the outside diameter slightly larger than spec. Well, that and to accommodate the inside thread better as the adapter was very thin.

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Is that a Craftsman wood lathe? What is the part on the rails? I've not seen that.
Good eye! But it's actually a small metalworking lathe. A Sears & Roebuck 109.

EDIT: I posted a thumbnail of the data plate on this post in the Garage Sale thread.

The badge is missing from the headstock. It could be a Craftsman (41-42), or it could be a Dunlap (43-54). I haven't figured out how to identify which without the badge yet.

Hobby or very light duty class. I carried it to my truck with one hand! That's the cross-feed and tool platform you're asking about.

The snobs on popular machinery sites like to deride the 109 as a toy (believe it or not, one site went so far as to ban it from the forums), but they were very popular in their time (1942 to 1954-ish) with hobbyists and amateur gunsmiths, despite the small spindle and die cast gears. If you think about that era, when more and more men were just beginning to acquire the types of machines for their garages and basement shops typically intended for professionals, it was a great introductory lathe. Also good for teenagers to learn on.

What really bugs them is that there is actually a market for them (up to $350 or so working and restored) with nostalgic Craftsman nuts. This one is missing a lot of parts. But for $20, I couldn't pass it up.

I'm on TDY for a week, but when I get back I will clean it up, take some photos, and start a thread. So as not to derail this one, let's talk about it there if you want.
 
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Lugz, I took some pics but can't seem to get them to post. The old boxed set is a "Fulton" tap and die set no.5456. Will post pics as soon as I figure out what I'm doing wrong...so may be a while.
 

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Lugz,. I finally figured out what I was doing wrong with the new phone. First pic is of the monster sized wrench. It has a die stuck in it that's about a half inch or so, but it will take a much larger size. I laid a set of fencing pliers next to it for size comparison. The other two pics are of Dad's old set.
 

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I also like the vintage Greenfield Taps and Dies. I found like others here that with careful shopping, the old SAE sets are a great value. I have posted pics of the ones I have and use in the shop.
 

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I don't know much about brands and it's quality. I got a old large Crasftsman set in a original wooden box. Are they any good? I know that; Today Crasftsman is all China made and we all know how good it's. I like to post picture of it, but still can't figured out how to do it here. Any help would be appreciated.
Antonio.
 

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Antonio, Don't l know who made the older craftsman. Should be USA made and excellent quality. Far as pictures. Take a picture with a smart phone or digital camera. save to your computer and then use the manage attachements funtion when you post. This function is available using "post reply, advnced" not "quick reply".
 
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