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gman007 · Jul 28, 2018

justin.d.richards.9 said:
Can't find any info based on the numbers on this vise.. Any info and what it's current rough value would be estimated at? $450 seems a little steep seeing as it's missing the jaws from what I can tell.

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Based on the jaw type alone looks like a Prker. There is a Chas Parker 89 1/2 weight 141 lb , jaws 5 3/8 with pipe jaws (and yes the pipe jaws on this one are missing, but then what is new about missing pipe jaws) but 89 1/2 is supposed to have a swivel base where as this one looks like it has a fixed base :headscrat

Edit
Here is a photo of an 88 from the same Superior series as 89 1/2 and this one looks has in fact a swivel base.

As for price I am in agreement with 454 and Outlaw is way overpriced.

pikapp · Jul 28, 2018

Rege
That 5170 is terrific. The bullet shaped spindle and matching handle are in amazing condition. I really like the tools the designer took the time to design some style into them also. Combining style and function. Very nice!

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Outlawmws · Jul 28, 2018

IMO that is about 3-4X too high...

Smith3085 · Jul 28, 2018

Just found this today in my barn in a corner under the stair case...actually looking for some further info and maybe a value. Measures 7" open and wide...Heuer rear clamping vise. I think it's pretty cool! Heavy! Seems to be unaltered.

justin.d.richards.9 · Jul 28, 2018

gman007 said:
Based on the jaw type alone looks like a Prker. There is a Chas Parker 89 1/2 weight 141 lb , jaws 5 3/8 with pipe jaws (and yes the pipe jaws on this one are missing, but then what is new about missing pipe jaws) but 89 1/2 is supposed to have a swivel base where as this one looks like it has a fixed base

Edit

Here is a photo of an 88 from the same Superior series as 89 1/2 and this one looks has in fact a swivel base.

As for price I am in agreement with 454 and Outlaw is way overpriced.

Here is a little bit better photo.. you can clearly see where the base has been modified.. It's tempting to message them but I don't think I will bother with it. I did message the person with the $900 Wilton with an offer and they weren't happy. It happens.

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Stuart in MN · Jul 28, 2018

I came across a Youtube video of a guy building a vise out of a piece of railroad track, it came out pretty nice. Most of the machining is done on a large horizontal mill. The captions are in Spanish but you can get the gist of what he's doing.

justin.d.richards.9 · Jul 28, 2018

Here's one with English subs. Different person though. This one kept some of the railroad track look though

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gman007 · Jul 28, 2018

Stuart and Justin
Thank you both for the very interesting videos. It seems the first guy’s ( I am guessing he might be from Spain) setup was a lot more high tech than the oriental fellow but both are definitely very high skilled craftsmen. And both vises turned out very nice.

454ragtop · Jul 28, 2018

justin.d.richards.9 said:
Here is a little bit better photo.. you can clearly see where the base has been modified.. It's tempting to message them but I don't think I will bother with it. I did message the person with the $900 Wilton with an offer and they weren't happy. It happens.

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Jaw support is broken off, not worth $50. IMO, unless it has parts you need,

kwoswalt99 · Jul 28, 2018

454ragtop said:
Jaw support is broken off, not worth $50. IMO, unless it has parts you need,

It’s unusual the slide isn’t broken, they almost always are on those.

notlob · Jul 29, 2018

justin.d.richards.9 said:
Here's one with English subs. Different person though. This one kept some of the railroad track look though

I love this RR track vise. If only I had a mill. And a lathe. And a decent welder. And some skills.

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honza.vosalik · Jul 29, 2018

Recent acquisitions, very happy with them. (No, it was not a you **** price)

TTLLOGIC · Jul 29, 2018

honza.vosalik said:
Recent acquisitions, very happy with them. (No, it was not a you **** price)

Very cool

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Outlawmws · Jul 29, 2018

Honza, what sizes?

Josh C · Jul 29, 2018

Honza- Nice vises! I’m gonna guess 4” and 5”...

honza.vosalik · Jul 29, 2018

Outlawmws said:
Honza, what sizes?

5191 and 5195. (I also have the older 5196)

454ragtop · Jul 29, 2018

Found these 2 " I Beam " style vises at the flea market today, smaller one has 1" jaws, larger 1-1/2". Don't usually bother with these, very often they're broken where the dynamic lips over the slide. These 2 are fairly tight, good jaw alignment, appear to have seen very little use. So, since they were cheap, I added them to the collection.

Outlawmws · Jul 29, 2018

Josh C said:
Honza- Nice vises! I’m gonna guess 4” and 5”...

honza.vosalik said:
5191 and 5195. (I also have the older 5196)

So 3-1/2 (5195 swivel) and 4" (5191)

FYI Josh, the 5198 5" (and the 5197 4-1/2" for that matter) are EXTREMELY rare.

va.grouseman · Jul 29, 2018

These are for KMS's info site per request.---Posted these before but didn't have the stats to go with them.

3 Prentiss Shepherds.---Pig feet for reference.---Didn't have a soda or a beer.---Sorry.

And individual pics of each.

First is #60

Opens 2 1/2''

Jaw width, 2''

Weight, 5.5 lbs.

Smooth jaws, no inserts.

va.grouseman · Jul 29, 2018

Next is #61

Opens 3 1/4''

Jaw width, 2 1/2''

Weight, 12 lbs.

Smooth jaws, no inserts.

I think someone removed the base on this one at some time or another and made it a stationary.---Hence the holes in the base.

va.grouseman · Jul 29, 2018

Next is #69

Opens 11''

Jaw width, 4 5/8''

Weight, 45 lbs.

Smooth jaws, no inserts.

dopod · Jul 29, 2018

Found a wilton 8450 on Craigslist for $100. The dynamic jaw was seized in static, but it was no match for the 100 ton press at work. Previous owners hammered on it and broke the slot on the lead screw trying to free it up. I welded the broken piece back in cleaned everything up and painted. Date code says 1953. This vise should outlast me; I'm excited to put it back to work!

rcrcrc21 · Jul 29, 2018

Hello. Bought a Reed vise today. Has “Patent Nov 3 1908” on one side and “424” on the other side. I researched this site and Google and was not able to locate a model 424. It has the swivel rear jaw like other 400 series and it has has 4 inch jaws. Just curious if anyone has any more info on the 424? Thanks.

gman007 · Jul 29, 2018

rcrcrc21 said:
Hello. Bought a Reed vise today. Has “Patent Nov 3 1908” on one side and “424” on the other side. I researched this site and Google and was not able to locate a model 424. It has the swivel rear jaw like other 400 series and it has has 4 inch jaws. Just curious if anyone has any more info on the 424? Thanks.

RC
424 is a filers vise (fairly rare) and is listed in the vise spread sheet
Weight 59 lb
Jaw 4”
Opening 6 1/2”
Ps
Very nice find :thumbup:

honza.vosalik · Jul 29, 2018

Outlawmws said:
So 3-1/2 (5195 swivel) and 4" (5191)

FYI Josh, the 5198 5" (and the 5197 4-1/2" for that matter) are EXTREMELY rare.

Of course I'd love to own all the six 0519x models. LOL

rcrcrc21 · Jul 29, 2018

Thanks!

zoomieport · Jul 29, 2018

Here is a "Railroad Track Anvil / Vise" I found a while back, it's pretty cool...

Take care!
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LesserSon · Jul 29, 2018

I had posted a Spear & Jackson rip saw I picked up this weekend. Got it home and compare it to another I bought a couple years back, and surprise! Mirror images. Hmmm. Why? For lefties and righties? Or maybe from an era when no one was looking which side of a saw had a stamp or medalion? Any Brits have enough of these to know?

kwoswalt99 · Jul 29, 2018

LesserSon said:
I had posted a Spear & Jackson rip saw I picked up this weekend. Got it home and compare it to another I bought a couple years back, and surprise! Mirror images. Hmmm. Why? For lefties and righties? Or maybe from an era when no one was looking which side of a saw had a stamp or medalion? Any Brits have enough of these to know?

What type of vise is this?

rusty65 · Jul 29, 2018

gman007 said:
RC

424 is a filers vise (fairly rare) and is listed in the vise spread sheet

Weight 59 lb

Jaw 4”

Opening 6 1/2”

Ps

Very nice find

I believe that’s actually a coach makers vise some one has cut the jaw height down on. I have a 414 1/2 reed which is a fillers model swivel jaw with swivel

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davethorik · Jul 29, 2018

Took a little bit of time today to start working on my Prentiss no. 456. Today was focused just on the slide, as I got a tight spot about 1/2 way when putting back together. Cleaning screw and nut yielded no results, filing slide next step.

It looks like the slide of this vise was used as an anvil more than actual vise usage, so there was a fair bit of mushrooming about 6" front the end. However there is a spot on all 3 sides where metal not oxidized, about where the vise body would be with vise closed. So, i think this sat somewhere for a while without being used.

Acetone, rag, scraper, stiff wire brush, and a new Hecho en Mexico Nicholson file made quick work of the job.

Look at the bottom of the slide. Is that typical? It appears to be hand-scraped/flaked flat, like on a precision machine.

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gman007 · Jul 29, 2018

rusty65 said:
I believe that’s actually a coach makers vise some one has cut the jaw height down on. I have a 414 1/2 reed which is a fillers model swivel jaw with swivel

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Is there an accepted standard in terms of jaw height to distinguish between filers and coach makers vises?

PS
Had a another look at the photo of the 424 and at least to me it does not look it was altered. If it was altered someone did a great job. I also checked the vise spread sheet and there too 424 is listed as filers vise.

Outlawmws · Jul 29, 2018

G man i think its more about the angle at the tip of the jaws and how close it starts to the jaw faces. For a filers you need that clearance at times. Less so on the pattern makers/coach makers vise.

gman007 · Jul 29, 2018

Outlawmws said:
G man i think its more about the angle at the tip of the jaws and how close it starts to the jaw faces. For a filers you need that clearance at times. Less so on the pattern makers/coach makers vise.

Outlaw
Thanks for clarification, this make sense. Incidentally from the posted photos of the 424 the angle seems to be pretty steep.

va.grouseman · Jul 30, 2018

Filer's Vise vs Coachmaker's Vise.

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chrisnazzy · Jul 30, 2018

I have these saved if they can help clarify Reed's specific terminology for 414 vs. 424 swivel jaws.

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neophyte · Jul 30, 2018

Imazagi said:
Any idea what this is?
The anvil horn and covered spindle makes me think Craftsman. The seller says he sees no maker's mark. I'm in Europe.

That could be a Yost 905-AS vise.
Cast steel front and rear jaw, with a formed steel slide.
The currently manufactured versions are made in either Taiwan or China. Older ones might have been made in the USA, but I’m not completely sure.
There’s currently at least one other manufacturer yhat sells the same vise with a different paint job, and maybe others.

This is the vise on the Yost website.

http://www.yostvises.com/products/b...ty-combination-pipe-and-bench-vise-black.html

Imazagi · Jul 30, 2018

neophyte said:
That could be a Yost 905-AS vise.

Thank you!

Imazagi · Jul 30, 2018

My new old York 100

I have a dedicated thread over in Vintage Tools, and just want to add the basic info here for reference.

Found this unnamed vise in the local ads and bought it for €47 shipped:

Even after taking it apart and stripping it, I found no reference to the maker, although it looks a lot like a York, the original Wilton bullet design:

2 coats of primer, some filler, 3 coats of Peugeot red from my mom's 208:

I asked at York.cz, who came back to me first thing Monday morning and confirmed that this is in fact a York 100, made between 1934 and 1956.

All in all a great little vise, although not as smooth as my green FPU in the background, and it only swivels 90 degrees. But I needed a vise for the cabin and will be a great addition to the basic shop there.

Outlawmws · Jul 30, 2018

chrisnazzy said:
I have these saved if they can help clarify Reed's specific terminology for 414 vs. 424 swivel jaws.

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So besides the jaw differences, the length of the slide (and resulting added opening) on the coach/pattern makers allows larger work pieces.

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