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The Lapidated Garage

AustinMiniMan

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I'm a long time lurker and I've gotten some awesome inspiration from this site- I don't want to admit how much time I've wasted on here. Some of y'all's work is simply incredible. Anyway,

The house my family lives in(I'm 19) was built in 1875 and has been in my family since 1878. I come from a long line of gear-heads, and as such we have a series of garages built by successive generations. Our main shop is a 5-car converted horse stable built sometime before 1910. However, in our backyard we had a couple of garages that had fallen into disrepair. Our need to have a space to work kept getting in the way of us needing to store cars, and as such I decided to refurbish one of the backyard garages into a car storage/show garage.

Here's what I started out with about 5 weeks ago:
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And here's what it looks like now.
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It looks... almost exactly the same. On the outside at least. The outside wasn't the priority, and besides, it didn't look too terrible. However, the inside was a different story. These photo are after all the junk was cleaned out, so it actually looked worse than this. Notice the rotted floor on the left, the collapsed lean-to, etc.

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The back lean-to had special meaning to me, as my great uncle built it to accommodate his '57 Fleetwood. It was actually made partially of old signs and by all means should have been torn down. Unfortunately I'm a history crazed fool and didn't have the heart, so I essentially built a new structure over it to keep it water-tight while keeping it original looking from the inside. There's even writing on it from him in the 50's.

Here's what was left of the back of it:
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And the new built over it... note, this is against the property line and no one at all can see it, so I wasn't too concerned with aesthetics.
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The walls had gotten relatively rough and the studs weren't even close to being spaced evenly. Also, the bottom plate was completely rotted. So I replaced the bottom plate with treated 4x4 and added more studs out of the same. I left the old ones in place, but I jacked the top plate up slightly, so the 4x4's are actually taking most of the load. All in all the rot wasn't too horrible.

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Luckily, 80% of the shop was concrete in great shape. However, the far left side was rotted wood. So, I decided to do a concrete block floor. Basically, there were three sections to the floor, the right half was regular concrete, the middle left was concrete block, and the far left was wood/dirt. So I was just continuing the pattern. After tearing out the work bench and rotted floor I made three trips to Lowes. My poor Rover deserves a round of applause for its valor that day. My back wasn't terribly happy, though.

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The strange thing is, whenever the garage was built, this was the intention with the floor, as it fit perfectly with only about a fourth an inch of clearance. I.e., I didn't have to cut a single block. After I laid it I dumped a few bags of concrete on it and swept it in. I hosed that down and it was enough to stabilize the floor. I then grouted it to fill in the gaps and make it smooth.

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There used to be four random supports; only two of which even had any load on them. I ran a 16' 4x4 across the length and put in a single 4x4 post. Probably a hell of a lot stronger than it was before.

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Here are a couple of old photos of the garage. For the time being, pretend I was trying to be artistic by taking a photo of a photo, and not just being too lazy to scan.

First, my Dad in the '80s:
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And second, my great Uncle(Who I happen to be named after) in the early 60's. That's an Austin A90 Atlantic parked in it. :
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I added a few interior lights and an outside light. They're all remote-controlled from relays.
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After the structural work was done, I paneled the lower half of the walls and stuccoed the upper half. The green color is the original color of the garage, matched from some paint chips I found in the walls.

So, finally, where I stand today:

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And lastly, my Uncle's Brunner Compressor that was in the shop, now waiting to be restored. I'll admit, the final product is not an tenth as spectacular as some of the work on this site, but it turned a junk pile into a usable space. Overall, I'm pretty chuffed. And having more space for cars is always a good thing! :beer:

When tearing apart some of the walls, I realized something about the garage. It was actually three garages. The middle area, where the woody wagon is parked, was the only original bay. I think that was built around 1900-1910. Then, the left part, where the new floor is, was added later, maybe around 1920. Then finally, the entire right side was added, around 1930. Because of this, some of the structure is... interpretive. But its got a hell of a lot of character. I still have some odds and ends to finish up, mainly finishing the floor in the lean-to and painting the floor. But, as they say, all in good time. -Ted
 
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Hats off to you for taking the initiative to do the work here. You're just 19?!?! First, I say welcome to the GJ! You're probably one of the youngest members here. That's a ton of work you got done in 5 weeks! Sorry - and please don't take this the wrong way - but most of the teens I know don't have half your ambition, they probably spent 3 of the last 5 weeks playing COD or Black Ops and the rest sleeping in 'til noon.

It's also neat that the home and garages have been in your family for so long! Hold on to that history. I look forward to seeing more of your work.
 

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Keep Austin weird, indeed. Where in the heck did you find those Austin/Cooper/Minis, whatever they're called? Good looking cars and good work so far on the garages.
 

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Great job on the transformation :thumbup: One thing you should have done though was something different with the way you laid the blocks for the floor. One small crack somewhere and you are going to have an apartment complex for rodents. The way they are laid leaves nothing but tunnel runs.
 
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Hats off to you for taking the initiative to do the work here. You're just 19?!?! First, I say welcome to the GJ! You're probably one of the youngest members here. That's a ton of work you got done in 5 weeks! Sorry - and please don't take this the wrong way - but most of the teens I know don't have half your ambition, they probably spent 3 of the last 5 weeks playing COD or Black Ops and the rest sleeping in 'til noon.

It's also neat that the home and garages have been in your family for so long! Hold on to that history. I look forward to seeing more of your work.

Yeah, I'm lucky enough to have a very supportive dad who's equally into a weird blend of history, carpentry, and odd-ball cars. Thanks for the kind words. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on perspective, I spend way too much money on my car and garages to buy video games!

Keep Austin weird, indeed. Where in the heck did you find those Austin/Cooper/Minis, whatever they're called? Good looking cars and good work so far on the garages.
That first sentence, meaning it does not have. :headscrat

We've had both of the Minis for a while. The wagon is a '67 Austin, it has a 1380 with a Weber and a mildly hot cam, probably pushing 120ish HP which feels like a lot for 1500 lbs. The truck is a '72 Leyland. 1275 in it, not nearly as stout but it's cute enough to make up for it. One thing that consistently saddens me, when I'm driving them people always ask me what it is, which is fine... but on several occasions people driving new MINIS have gone "OMG What is it?!" :wtf:
 
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Great job on the transformation :thumbup: One thing you should have done though was something different with the way you laid the blocks for the floor. One small crack somewhere and you are going to have an apartment complex for rodents. The way they are laid leaves nothing but tunnel runs.

Interesting; can't say I thought of that. Too late now I guess. I was just emulating what was already there, and like I said, the lengths worked out perfectly. I'll keep an eye on it. Luckily we have a couple yard-cats and I rarely ever see any rodents.

Kinda makes me wish I was a rat...
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I'll admit, the final product is not an tenth as spectacular as some of the work on this site, but it turned a junk pile into a usable space.

On the contrary - to save old space is quite spectacular, and you have done it up very well!
 

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I added a few interior lights and an outside light. They're all remote-controlled from relays.
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Can you give us some more details on how you did the remote and relays, or what products you used? I have an exterior light on my garage that I wish I could leave on when I walk back to the house, but once I get to the house, there's no way to turn it off! What kind of range does the remote have? Many I see advertise ranges of 100', but comments on Amazon say they work for less than 10' in reality, and I'd rather buy a product I know will work for my application.
 

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"Lapidated" indeed!

Nice job of turning what was mostly unusable space into a nice work space. The use of expanding foam in an older structure like that is smart...I imagine as an old, settled structure it was loaded with cracks and crannies.

Yes, I'd love to hear about the remote system you installed. (Maybe THIS is how Jack Olsen raised his new lift w/o being seen in the video!:bounce:)

P.S. Your color looks suspiciously like "12 Gauge Green"!
 
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The remote system is neat, more information needed there.

This:
Because of this, some of the structure is... interpretive.
got a chuckle out of me. Been there, done that- though my house isn't as old as what you're working on, remodeling is defnitely that way. Some things people did to "get by" 20 odd years ago leave you going :headscrat

Keep at it. If you're doing this at 19, you're MILES ahead of your contemporaries. :thumbup:
 
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Thanks for all the kind words. For all those asking about the relays:

They came from lightobject.com This is the remote I used.
It can support up to twelve relays. You can get smaller ones, but for the price I just went for twelve.

Then as many of these as you want. Those are the actual relays, and they come with a single channel remote. You can program them anyway you want, i.e. I have the left side be 2, right be 3, outside 4, and all of them at once is channel 1. If you only wanted one channel you'd only need the second item. I've had range up to about 650 odd feet. I was able to walk out of my back yard, through my front, across the street and into that houses back yard and it still worked. Set-up is pretty simple, just wire it like a light switch and give it 12v.

Only caveat is it can't be wired with a switch. I.e. that becomes the only way of controlling it. It's occasionally kind of annoying to walk out to the garage and realize you forgot the remote inside. However, you could just buy another remote and Velcro it to the wall or something.

P.S. Your color looks suspiciously like "12 Gauge Green"!

Well, that was a factor... but that was actually the original color of this garage in the nineteen teens, so it is he who is copying me!
 
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Where are the twelve relays located? I see 7 leads of Romex going into that little gray J box. Maybe they're in the larger gray metal box? Can you give us a little more detail? I'm wondering if the relays get pwoer from full 110v or if they are wired through a transformer (I assume) and THAT is in one of those boxes? Also, what is the purpose of the blue plastic switch box that is (obviously) not being used for a switch?

Sorry for so many questions. NEAT setup though. I can think of many uses for something similar.


Thanks for all the kind words. For all those asking about the relays:

They came from lightobject.com This is the remote I used.
It can support up to twelve relays. You can get smaller ones, but for the price I just went for twelve.

Then as many of these as you want. Those are the actual relays, and they come with a single channel remote. You can program them anyway you want, i.e. I have the left side be 2, right be 3, outside 4, and all of them at once is channel 1. If you only wanted one channel you'd only need the second item. I've had range up to about 650 odd feet. I was able to walk out of my back yard, through my front, across the street and into that houses back yard and it still worked. Set-up is pretty simple, just wire it like a light switch and give it 12v.

Only caveat is it can't be wired with a switch. I.e. that becomes the only way of controlling it. It's occasionally kind of annoying to walk out to the garage and realize you forgot the remote inside. However, you could just buy another remote and Velcro it to the wall or something.
 
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Where are the twelve relays located? I see 7 leads of Romex going into that little gray J box. Maybe they're in the larger gray metal box? Can you give us a little more detail? I'm wondering if the relays get pwoer from full 110v or if they are wired through a transformer (I assume) and THAT is in one of those boxes? Also, what is the purpose of the blue plastic switch box that is (obviously) not being used for a switch?

Sorry for so many questions. NEAT setup though. I can think of many uses for something similar.

Sorry for not being clear- There's only 3 relays in this system; I haven't added all twelve channels yet as I don't have a use for them. The relays are independent, they can be placed anywhere. I'll likely put some on the outside lights of my other garages and maybe some outside lamp posts.

The way it's wired is the blue box has the power going in from the panel(The dirty Romex at the top), then splits the power four ways going down into the grey box. I did that so I wouldn't have exposed wire-nuts. It's nothing but a splice in the blue box. Then, in the grey box I wired an outlet(basically an extension cord). Plugged into that outlet is a 12v transformer that is spliced into three leads powering all three relays. The remaining three Romex lines are for each light, the negative is just wired together like normal and the positive side goes through each relay as a switch. It then exits the box to go to the lights.

Make sense? It's more complicated than it looks; I can draw out the schematic if need be.
 

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Makes good sense. I'm thinking of operating three overhead light switches and (maybe) a hot tub switch in my detached garage/gym....and of course whatever else I dream up as I continue to think of it. Thanks for the explanation. (After putting you through the questions I won't ask for pic's of the gray & blue boxes with their covers off...) Just a note, this forum LOVES pictures!

P.S. Congrats on being a pretty darn smart and motivated young guy. I don't know if you'll "go far in life" but you'll have a helluva nice garage!
 
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Just so you know, they're rated at 10 amps. I'd take a pic of the grey box without the cover but it ain't the prettiest wiring in the world.
 

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...I'd take a pic of the grey box without the cover but it ain't the prettiest wiring in the world.

OH DAMN....you probably did it just like I'd do it!:bounce:

Seriously, great work. What's next in the plans?

Your garage reminds me of another guy's here and for the life of me I just can't remember his name right now or I'd throw you a link. His is waay old timey too. It actually has a wood floor in a portion of the shop but it is SO damned cool looking and it reminds me of your garage for some reason. I'll think of his name soon...or someone lese will remember and post it.
 

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Greta job... congrats!

just FYI from dictionary.com:
lap·i·date
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–verb (used with object), -dat·ed, -dat·ing.
1.to pelt with stones.
2.to stone to death.

I guess it fits.. sort of :)
 
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Greta job... congrats!

just FYI from dictionary.com:
lap·i·date
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–verb (used with object), -dat·ed, -dat·ing.
1.to pelt with stones.
2.to stone to death.

I guess it fits.. sort of :)

Everybody must get stoned.
 
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We have a '66 MK2 'S' Works Replica and an absolutely 100% original and pristine 66 'S'

Wow, gorgeous. We are but mere peasants with our lowly commercial variants.
 

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Wow, gorgeous. We are but mere peasants with our lowly commercial variants.

the woody and the pickup would be rarer over here, purely for the fact they are much much harder to replicate

'S's are easy, throw on another tank, twin carbs, some 8" discs, and find a logbook for an original S and copy all the numbers over - not strictly legal, but its done to death.

Loving yours though. The pickup being a personal favourite.
 
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The truck is great to look at but kind of scary to drive. It runs great, but it's honestly just too low to be practical. Also, having all that glass together creates some freaky optics. The bed is worthless because they're not double-walled, so you can't really put anything in the bed for fear of denting it. I might raise it at some point. That being said, it's been my DD for the past couple weeks. My regular car gets around 7 MPG, so this is a little more affordable. The basic idea behind the truck is it's a replica of a Morris Surf, but in truck form. It has the right paint color and also original Morris Surf seats(only 1000 made I understand.)

The wagon is our baby and an absolute hoot to drive. It's not nearly as good a shape as the truck, and has kind of been pieced together, but runs like a scalded duck.
 

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Can vouch for how well a good 1380 runs alright. The works replica above was running a 1380 as an interim engine. Couple of weeks ago we fitted the 1480, full steel, balanced, twin 1.5", alloy roller rockers, straight cuts, LSD, etc. Churning about 145hp and what feels about 300lb ft torque :p

The wee 'S' is still its original 1275, not even on its first oversize yet.

My Midget is running nearly 150hp 1480 now, and there is more to come.

Cant get enough of this rusty british scrap
 
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Cant get enough of this rusty british scrap
Sigh... with two Minis and a couple Range Rovers I have to agree. Luckily we have enough old Volvos and some BMW's to cancel it out. Is rust, leaking, and electrical calamity contagious?


That being said, my '90 Range Rover is a freaking work horse. I put new head gaskets on it, got the radiator re-cored, and touched up some of the wiring and since then it hasn't skipped a beat. It's shockingly flawless. If you keep them up and drive them regularly it's amazing how reliable these things can be. There's nothing in life more pleasant than driving a RR classic at dusk with the windows rolled down. Quiet, smooth, refined... I love that damn thing.
 

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... and you are correct he did a great job on the garage...

And he's 19 for Gawd's sake! At 19 I sometimes forgot to tie my shoelaces:bounce:

No one remembers the GJ'er with the rustic oldy garage, natural, aged wood interior? C'mon guys. We should show this kid his thread and he'd probably duplicate it in a couple months!!
 

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For a young man of 19 - awesome job that took smarts, planning and work / congrats !!
Nice to see the old tin to.

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Can you give us some more details on how you did the remote and relays, or what products you used? I have an exterior light on my garage that I wish I could leave on when I walk back to the house, but once I get to the house, there's no way to turn it off! What kind of range does the remote have? Many I see advertise ranges of 100', but comments on Amazon say they work for less than 10' in reality, and I'd rather buy a product I know will work for my application.

I don't mean to **** in, but another solution you may wish to consider are Insteon switches. They have both dim-able and non-dim-able remote controlled switches. Here is the link to the non-dim-able: http://www.smarthome.com/2466SW/Tog...ontrol-On-Off-Switch-Non-Dimming-White/p.aspx

These have the advantage that they just wire in, (and look) like an ordinary switch. You put two of them in, and program them to talk to each other and voila. They don't have to be physically wired together like three-way switches. They are a little more pricey than AustinMiniMan's solution, but a little more like standard switches. I put a set of these in for a friend for exactly the same application as you have-controlling a light on a barn outbuilding. 1 in the barn, 1 in the house. In some applications you may also need to buy the repeaters.

However, those are cool little remote relays! I could think of some other applications for those.
 
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Just so you know, they're rated at 10 amps. I'd take a pic of the grey box without the cover but it ain't the prettiest wiring in the world.

Said on the website that they are rated at 3A at 125V :shocking:


Are you using any sort of protection or breakers limited to these currents? If not, thats a pretty big code violation right there.


Just pointing it out.
 

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I must say this garage is just great!
...& the fact that you´re only 19, makes it hard to imagine whats about to be done in the future.

Big congrats to an awesome garage & some pretty cool British steel.
 

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you can add regular switches to your remote control light relay box. just tie a light switch in parallel with each relay on the A/C side.

disclaimer - i'm not an electrician.
 

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BINGO! Thank you. I could not remember Nimrod's name to save my life.

Is it just me or do others see parallels between Nimrod's rustic palace Md where these garages could be taken? Maybe it's the lean-to's and the old exposed wood that remind me, I don't know. I DO know that transformers, relays and remote controls are waay too modern for his place though, ha ha!
 
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