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hey, guys! I am working on my 2002 Volkswagen New Beetle; I am doing a number of wiring harness repairs. These are requiring the use of a wire repair set from Volkswagen (pre-crimped terminal ends with new terminal and wires; then, you just install the new contact/wire in the electrical socket, cut the old wire and crimp, install the new one to complete the repair to factory specs); many of these wire sets are VERY fine size (coolant temp sensors, airbag wiring and wires that go to the immobilizer, the speedo cluster and the ecm), to repair them correctly... I am having to use tiny 22-24 AWG size self sealing **** connectors. My search now; is to find a quality ratcheting style crimping tool, to crimp these tiny connectors, correctly! Volkswagen, of course has their own German third party brand tools; they specify in their repair manuals and these are particularly expensive. I was wondering; if anyone has purchased some ratcheting crimping tools with multiple dies; that would work well in my situation to crimp the 22-24 AWG size!?

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As you can see; from this pic above, the 22-24 AWG size is TINY; compared to the traditional "red" size (22-16 AWG), most of us use for small gauge wire!

Here are some affordable crimping tool sets; that I have seen but I have not clue as to their quality or compatibility on really tiny connectors, such as I am working with.

Astro Pneumatic 9477 Professional Quick Interchangeable Ratchet Crimping Tool Set, 7-Piece by Astro Pneumatic Tool Price: $71.58

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0045CUMLQ/?tag=atomicindus08-20

S & G Tool Aid 18920 Ratcheting Terminal Crimping Kit- 5 Piece
by Tool Aid Price: $74.54

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002STTTI/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Volkswagen supplied tool; for the VAS1978B, WIRING HARNESS REPAIR TOOL SET; from Volkswagen, sold through Snapon.


CRIMPING PLIERS 0.35-2.5 mm ^2
Model: VAS1978/1A made by TKR Spezialwerkzeuge, Gevelsberg, Germany. Price: $193.31


VAS1978/1-2 CRIMPING PLIERS (BASE TOOL, NO DIES) made by TKR Spezialwerkzeuge, Gevelsberg, Germany. Price: $26.66

1184-13100
CSV 10 - AWG 22-16 Crimp Tool Head made by TKR Spezialwerkzeuge, Gevelsberg, Germany. Price: $130.37


This particular tool; only comes with one die; there are still more dies you would need; as with most German quality tools, the price gets expensive FAST!

http://vw.snapon.com/ItemToolsList.... Tools for Engine Diagnostics and Electrical

I am trying to get a quality tool; that will crimp the connectors correctly as they should and will not pierce the insulation, so the repair will be correctly sealed from the elements when completed! :drool:

I would appreciate any feed back, recommendations or experiences! Thanks! :)
 
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Maybe a crimper listed here would work:
http://www.pbase.com/image/93309736

The boating supply stores are another place to try, and here's more information:
Terminals Basic Overview Of Aircraft Electrical Terminals.

Heat Shrinkable Electrical Connectors
 
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Good info (I actually saw the first link at one time!); I am at the point, where I need the crimping tool itself; I have all the wiring supplies, connectors, etc. and now, just need to install them correctly! Any tool specific recommendations; appreciated! :)
 
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You could also try the solder heat shrink sleeves.

It's basically a piece of heat shrink tubing with a little solder ring in the middle. Strip your wires, slip on the sleeve, twist your wires together, center the solder sleeve over the wire and just use a heat gun to shrink the tubing and melt the solder. Done and done.
 
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Xcelite ECP100. I always thought that was a cool looking crimper.
 
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Quickster, I have been trying to follow Volkswagen's recommendations; when it comes to harness repairs. Apparently, they are NOT recommending any soldering on the their wiring systems.

Here are some interesting publications and articles; they have switched of to a new system of repairs, apparently they are called Sealed Electrical System™ (SES) or at least something similar to what this company sells: http://www.nationalstandardparts.com/

Actually, after looking at Volkswagen training manual; they say DO NOT, solder anything on the wiring harness. According to them; the new sealed **** connectors are superior.

Google: "Wiring Harness Inspection & Repair Self-Study Program Course Number 871003"

Another good article; Volkswagen did a study and has come to a conclusion with their research that the new sealed systems are superior and that electrical system failures were higher using older repair methods.

Google: "Crimp or Solder? volkswagen"

I'm certainly no electrical engineer but if they have taken the time to do the research and concluded this is the best way; I will try to follow what they say. Looking at both of the above resources; I can see their point and following their guidelines isn't hard with the correct tools, wires and **** connectors.

Obviously, I am sure there are a number of different methods of doing the repairs; this, I am sure could spark a number of debates, as to which is superior or worth buying the extra tools to do them the "official Volkswagen way"! :)

You know those German Engineers in Wolfsburg; ALWAYS have their own special, "veys uhhff duhink zhings". :)
 
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Re: high quality crimping tool with dies, 22-24 AWG?

I don't have a tool for recommendation but I do have a story.

Where the shop I used at, we would repair stolen Acura's. There would always be the cut wiring harness and missing motors because of the V-tec motor swap craze. One of my jobs was to solder harness connector ends on the wires, I ask why solder when crimping would be so much faster, they said because of the size crimp when it goes back together it wouldn't fit under the panel also there is always a chance that you could miss crimping a wire correctly and would have to find the problem where solder was always a guarantee. Keep in mind that there were at least a hundred of wires that needed to be done.

Then when I worked my boat motor I needed to put a new part into the wiring harness and in the instructions said not to solder but to crimp the new part in and the reason they gave for crimping was the crimp joint could handle the vibrations of the motor more then the solder joint could and if there was any corrosion in the crimp joint it would be visible unlike soldering and heat shrinking.

I still prefer the solder and heat shrink if done right over crimping. Never had a problem with the solder connection from the Integra's and remember this method was used on the main harness ECU.
 
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Its all "he say, she say" to me. And a myth far as I'm concerned on vibrations. I think those that have done solder splices and claim vibrations killed it, are the ones that probably did some poor soldering joints.

I have yet to come across any kind of conducted study/experiment where solder splices and crimp splices were tested against each other in the same exact method.

Both can last a very long time when done right, and with proper tools/technique

I believe most companies switch to crimping for harness repairs for one reason, which is money.

Not everyone can solder a connection, let alone do it properly.

Takes much longer to setup and properly solder a connection then to crimp a wire. It takes time = more man hours.

Crimping, there's not much to know. A 6 year old could do it. Give them a crimp tool and hundreds of terminals and crimp away. Done! quick and fast, saves money.

I personally use both methods. Which one I do depends on how much time I feel like spending on wiring or if I need the wire to be low profile and keep my harness skinny. I will solder and adhesive lined heat shrink tubing only gets used over it for a water tight seal. I only use clear heat shrink so I can inspect the solder connection if needed without dealing black heat shrink tubing.

Crimp terminals, I only use the crimp and heat shrink ones. Or I use the bare uninsulated terminal and use heat shrink tubing over that.

When you crimp you need to stagger the connections

---- (wire)
=== (crimp terminal)


This below results in a huge bulge when its all placed back into wire covering.

----=====------
----=====------
----=====------
----=====------


Stagger it like this

-----====----------------
---------------====---------------
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I figured this would spark some debate; which isn't a bad thing! :) Check out this article:

"Crimp or Solder? volkswagen" http://www.esatinc.ca/News_Letters/Crimp_or_solder.pdf

Quickster, the techniques; that you are talking about, are also shown in the Volkswagen training manual:

"Wiring Harness Inspection & Repair Self-Study Program Course Number 871003"

I am pretty sure; that I figured out, what the brand and model of the tool that Volkswagen includes in the VAS 1978 wiring repair kit is.

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While, I do not necessarily; think, this would be superior to other high quality German crimping tools, I was curios... to figure out who made them or at least figure out the part number. These look very similar; if not identical to the Volkswagen supplied tool. If anyone; has used these, has any experience with these or knows where to get them, please let me know! :)

Garant Crimp System Pliers 150mm
Garant Interchangeable Crimping Head 729624 D
Garant Interchangeable Crimping Head 729624 2.5
Garant Interchangeable Crimping Head 729626 10mm
 
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This has been discussed before to death:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175360

FYI here's the FULL NASA document on wire splicing techniques and standards:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/codeq/doctree/87394.pdf

Net net it appears they use both soldering and crimping techniques as appropriate to the situation. And this is only logical.

Personally I use a technique of twisting, soldering, and then shrink wrapping for smaller gauge wires and crimping for larger gauge wires. This has worked well for me on everything from Racecars to R/C vehicles to Autonomous Mobile Robots.

My suggestion is to buy the best materials & tools you can afford, learn how to use them properly, and stress test practice pieces to destruction to make sure your perception matches reality...

Hope this helps.
 
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billymade said:
I figured this would spark some debate; which isn't a bad thing! :) While, I do not necessarily; think, this would be superior to other high quality German crimping tools, I was curios... to figure out who made them or at least figure out the part number. These look very similar; if not identical to the Volkswagen supplied tool. If anyone; has used these, has any experience with these or knows where to get them, please let me know! :)

Garant Crimp System Pliers 150mm
Garant Interchangeable Crimping Head 729624 D
Garant Interchangeable Crimping Head 729624 2.5
Garant Interchangeable Crimping Head 729626 10mm
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Looks like crimping pliers from JST
 
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kriwoel, do you mean; this Japanese company?

http://www.jst-mfg.com/

Looks like; these tools are probably sold under a number of brand names... especially, since jst is a Japanese company and the pliers are marked "made in germany"! :)
 
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billymade said:
I figured this would spark some debate; which isn't a bad thing! :) Check out this article:

"Crimp or Solder? volkswagen" http://www.esatinc.ca/News_Letters/Crimp_or_solder.pdf

Quickster, the techniques; that you are talking about, are also shown in the Volkswagen training manual:

"Wiring Harness Inspection & Repair Self-Study Program Course Number 871003"

I am pretty sure; that I figured out, what the brand and model of the tool that Volkswagen includes in the VAS 1978 wiring repair kit is.

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While, I do not necessarily; think, this would be superior to other high quality German crimping tools, I was curios... to figure out who made them or at least figure out the part number. These look very similar; if not identical to the Volkswagen supplied tool. If anyone; has used these, has any experience with these or knows where to get them, please let me know! :)

Garant Crimp System Pliers 150mm
Garant Interchangeable Crimping Head 729624 D
Garant Interchangeable Crimping Head 729624 2.5
Garant Interchangeable Crimping Head 729626 10mm
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Those would be tools to crimp the terminals for the connector housing. Basically with those you would need to replace the WHOLE run of wire. From one end of the connector all the way back to the fuse box or computer, or wherever the wire ends. None of those tools would work on a **** splice. Unless there is a replaceable die for it.
 
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The crimp/solder debate has been beat to death. They both have their advantages. I have always used a plier style crimper(Klein 1005) until I bought a good quality ratcheting crimp tool. I have never had a crimp fail with the plier style but ratcheting is easier on the hands when doing a lot of crimps.
 
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I used to install car alarm/remote start in HS and college and I only used couple of tools in the later years. My tools for cutting, stripping, splicing/tapping, crimping for 12-24guage copper wires has been only two tools (see pics).

Car alarm/RS is the most talked about when it comes to how you make a connection because automotive components can be very sensitive. There's a lot of discussion over a decade ago about it.
 

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Trey T said:
I used to install car alarm/remote start in HS and college and I only used couple of tools in the later years. My tools for cutting, stripping, splicing/tapping, crimping for 12-24guage copper wires has been only two tools (see pics).

Car alarm/RS is the most talked about when it comes to how you make a connection because automotive components can be very sensitive. There's a lot of discussion over a decade ago about it.
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I did the same. Solder in the remote start industry was the standard. Every manufacturer required it in the install manuals. Man I don't miss being under the dash. I still do it from time to time to keep my skills sharp. I am still in the industry just not in a shop. On the manufacturer side of the biz
 
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Personally, I hate insulated crimp terminal.

I prefer NON-insulated terminals and typically use TE (AMP) Solistrand. Most online electronics suppliers (Digikey, Mouser, Allied, etc) carry them. (AWG size 22-26 is TE #321198).

Of course, you need to install heat shrink tubing first !
 
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Okay thread is all over the place.

Those plier type crimpers will not work on the **** splices in the OP first post.

OP needs this frame
http://www.waytekwire.com/item/560/CRIMP-TOOL-W-INTERCHANGEABLE/

With this die
http://www.waytekwire.com/item/561/DIE-SET-FOR-26-22-12-10-GA-INS/

EDIT: Correct die for heat shrink. Die ^^ above is for plastic **** connectors
http://www.waytekwire.com/item/565/DIE-SET-FOR-22-18GA-12-10GA/



Add this die too. And you are covered, far as heat shrink terminals go.
http://www.waytekwire.com/item/562/DIE-SET-FOR-22-14-GA-INSULATED/

There are other dies available for different terminals too.

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The "green dot"; 26-22 ga die, looks like it would do the trick for my 22-24 AWG sealed **** connectors! Thanks, for the advice; so far, the waytek branded pressmaster, looks like the most cost effective solution for a high quality (Swedish?), made plier/die solution!
 
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I guess this means the Xcelite ECP100 doesn't qualify for Volkswagens for some reason or another. :dunno:
 
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hey, guys! I am working on my 2002 Volkswagen New Beetle; I am doing a number of wiring harness repairs. These are requiring the use of a wire repair set from Volkswagen (pre-crimped terminal ends with new terminal and wires; then, you just install the new contact/wire in the electrical socket, cut the old wire and crimp, install the new one to complete the repair to factory specs); many of these wire sets are VERY fine size (coolant temp sensors, airbag wiring and wires that go to the immobilizer, the speedo cluster and the ecm), to repair them correctly... I am having to use tiny 22-24 AWG size self sealing **** connectors. My search now; is to find a quality ratcheting style crimping tool, to crimp these tiny connectors, correctly! Volkswagen, of course has their own German third party brand tools; they specify in their repair manuals and these are particularly expensive. I was wondering; if anyone has purchased some ratcheting crimping tools with multiple dies; that would work well in my situation to crimp the 22-24 AWG size!?

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As you can see; from this pic above, the 22-24 AWG size is TINY; compared to the traditional "red" size (22-16 AWG), most of us use for small gauge wire!

Here are some affordable crimping tool sets; that I have seen but I have not clue as to their quality or compatibility on really tiny connectors, such as I am working with.

Astro Pneumatic 9477 Professional Quick Interchangeable Ratchet Crimping Tool Set, 7-Piece by Astro Pneumatic Tool Price: $71.58

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0045CUMLQ/?tag=atomicindus08-20

S & G Tool Aid 18920 Ratcheting Terminal Crimping Kit- 5 Piece
by Tool Aid Price: $74.54

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002STTTI/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Volkswagen supplied tool; for the VAS1978B, WIRING HARNESS REPAIR TOOL SET; from Volkswagen, sold through Snapon.


CRIMPING PLIERS 0.35-2.5 mm ^2
Model: VAS1978/1A made by TKR Spezialwerkzeuge, Gevelsberg, Germany. Price: $193.31


VAS1978/1-2 CRIMPING PLIERS (BASE TOOL, NO DIES) made by TKR Spezialwerkzeuge, Gevelsberg, Germany. Price: $26.66

1184-13100
CSV 10 - AWG 22-16 Crimp Tool Head made by TKR Spezialwerkzeuge, Gevelsberg, Germany. Price: $130.37


This particular tool; only comes with one die; there are still more dies you would need; as with most German quality tools, the price gets expensive FAST!

http://vw.snapon.com/ItemToolsList.... Tools for Engine Diagnostics and Electrical

I am trying to get a quality tool; that will crimp the connectors correctly as they should and will not pierce the insulation, so the repair will be correctly sealed from the elements when completed! :drool:

I would appreciate any feed back, recommendations or experiences! Thanks! :)
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How come this fine piece of German engineering needs such extensive wiring repairs??

Lack of research and testing by VAG??

Been in flood water??
 
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Well, if you are really interested; you can read these posts below:


http://newbeetle.org/forums/questio...002-re-electrical-terminal-release-tools.html

http://newbeetle.org/forums/1-8-liter-turbo/61381-immobilizer-problem.html

http://newbeetle.org/forums/1-8-liter-turbo/61375-stalling-after-start-up.html

http://newbeetle.org/forums/2-0-liter-gas/63626-blinking-oil-pressure-light.html

http://newbeetle.org/forums/1-8-liter-turbo/60604-intermittent-oil-pressure-light-2.html
 
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I guess this means the Xcelite ECP100 doesn't qualify for Volkswagens for some reason or another. :dunno:
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Actually what he needs is the Xcelite MIC2616 Min-crimper for 16-26 gauge insulate terminals.

Now find someone who stocks it !
 

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Does anyone know anything about Huber + Suhner crimpers? There is one at my local pawn shop that looks decent, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to get other dies for it.
 
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My order of preference is:

1- non-insulated crimps (brazed or closed barrel style) followed by marine heatshrink with a 3-1 shrink ratio. This will enable you to feel the crimp much better. Just a regular crimper (Channellock 909 or similar), no fancy dies here.

2- with small gauges like OP posted, I'd honestly put the wires side by side, twist real tight, then fold the twist parallel with wire and follow with 3-1 ratio marine heatshrink.
this is cleaner, faster, as reliable and pretty much foolproof with 20 gauge or smaller wire. creates the less amount of 'bump'

3- if access is tight and you can only reach the tips of the broken wire (quickfix for a broken wire at hoor hinges, etc) I use those dreaded insulated heat shrink crimps, use the right section of the crimper or the insulation will get holes in it. inspect the tool, even the insulated crimping jaws can have burrs on outside edges, take those sharp edges down with some sandpaper before using the crimper.

4- hammer type crimpers for battery/starter/chassis ground cables, followed with liquid tape. heatshrink or tape will not seal the connection completely, it will sure look nice and pretty but the front end of the crimped connection will be open. i see people pack grease into those openings, definitely better than nothing. dab the liquid tape generously.

5- for truck battery/starter cables, i use the lugs with solder pellets in them. strip the wire, put the lug in the vice, torch it to melt the solder pellet and push the wire in.

I'm not too crazy about soldering, after all you may think since it is a signal wire for the computer and therefore it must be soldered... But just pull a terminal out of a connector and see how that terminal is attached to the wire, by a crimp!! so all wires have terminals crimped on both sensor side and computer side, with friction contact connectors in between. soldering doesn't really makes any sense here...

I never use regular heat shrink to seal a bare connection, even inside, it just wont hold up to elements and pulling/vibration. the only use for regular heat shrink would be to tidy up the harness after repair.
 
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theoldwizard1 said:
Actually what he needs is the Xcelite MIC2616 Min-crimper for 16-26 gauge insulate terminals.

Now find someone who stocks it !
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Those look like dies for nylon insulated **** splices, not recommended for heat shrink terminals. They require a different die.

That one kind of looks like it has a double crimp for the nylon ones. One crimps the actual terminal and wire and then other crimps the end of the terminal to act as an strain relief. Which is not necessary since the heat shrink acts as a strain relief.
 
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I contacted Wezag Gmbh; I talked to the north american rep and he is going to do some research and see which tool/die is correct for these tiny 22-24 AWG insulated shrink tube connectors (VW # 000979940). These Wezag tools are sold under a bunch of other brand labels; Hazet, Molex, JPT, Tyco etc.; I guess we will see how expensive they are, seeing as they are "Made in Germany', I'm sure it won't be cheap. It was interesting talking to the rep; he was referencing how the attitudes about "correct tools"; is so different here in the USA/Canada vs. Europe, here he says... we seem to be less concerned about things being according to "spec" ("good enough" seems to rule the day), while in Europe they are more concerned about being "correct spec" regardless of cost! :) I guess we are cheap skates over here! LOL! I'll let you know; what tools he recommends when he gets back with me!
 
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I called the rep today; said still talking to the guys in Germany, will get back with me on Monday with info about what I need (hopefully). The research process is interesting and I am learning allot, I have gained a whole new found respect for the design of electrical systems and how much work goes into the design of these systems. Ultimately, I just to fix my car but I am learning allot, I hope to repair things correctly "to spec" as well. :)
 
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I have the ASTRO kit but still new a not had a chance to used it. It will work for what you need and looks decent quality. I been using mac pliers crimpers but not high quality that is why a bought the astro. I have the BMW frame and 2 dies that i bought used but I can't figured out how to used it(it looks like the VW you posted) and I had it for years collecting dust(many of these crimpers are collecting dust. I may sell them if interested
 
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Re: high quality crimping tool with dies, 22-24 AWG?

richfinn said:
How come this fine piece of German engineering needs such extensive wiring repairs??

Lack of research and testing by VAG??

Been in flood water??
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It could be worse:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/1m7kwl/13_tiguan_body_harness_replacement/

billymade said:
I called the rep today; said still talking to the guys in Germany, will get back with me on Monday with info about what I need (hopefully). The research process is interesting and I am learning allot, I have gained a whole new found respect for the design of electrical system and how much work goes into the design of these systems. Ultimately, I just to fix my car but I am learning allot, I hope to repair things correctly "to spec" as well. :)
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If all you're doing is crimping **** slice connectors, just get the Waytek unit with the right die. Where you'd want the special VW tool is if you were crimping proprietary VW connectors. Even then, the connectors are oftentimes not as proprietary as they seem (AMP stuff seems fairly common).
 
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Re: high quality crimping tool with dies, 22-24 AWG?

blarf, you are right! There are not really any "proprietary" electrical connections/connectors per se; everything is made by TE Connectivity (I believe they bought out AMP/TYCO?).

To get a sense; of what you typically see on a Volkswagen (at least what I am working on; mark iv platform); check out these links and .pdfs below... they tend be the te connectivity "timer" series in particular (among others listed below); on my 2002 Volkswagen New Beetle I am seeing things for (temp sensors, alt plug, maf plug etc.):

These are some of the different Te Connectivity systems that I am seeing on my car:

SSC (Sealed Sensor Connector) System

AMP Timer Connectors and Contacts

Sealed Sensor Connector System

Sensor Flat Contact Systems

More info here:

http://www.te.com/en/industries/aut...-and-connectors/sealed-connector-systems.html

http://www.connectorpeople.com/library/sealed_connectors/Tyco_AMP_Sealed_Connectors_65481.pdf

http://www.te.com/commerce/Document...System_&DocType=CS&DocLang=English&s_cid=1046
 
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Re: high quality crimping tool with dies, 22-24 AWG?

Wezag, got back with me; they are going to send out some evaluation tools for me to try. I will report back; when they show up.
 
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Re: high quality crimping tool with dies, 22-24 AWG?

UPDATE: they want me to pay for the tools in full; they are going to "make" some, they are going to be 5 weeks away, so that is too long to wait for me. I may; just try my old snapon/bluepoint 29cf and see if they will work for my bigger **** connectors I am working with.

Pliers, Terminal Crimping / Cutter, 9 3/8"

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...roup_ID=742281&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

One guy; uses the non insulated portion of the pliers to crimp these small **** connectors, I think that is a little odd using that for these but what do I know? I guess, if it works?

 
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Re: high quality crimping tool with dies, 22-24 AWG?

if you really want to use those insulated **** splices instead of just doing solder and heat shrink, why not just get yourself an ideal crimpmaster frame and 30-572 die? you will save a bunch of money over snap-on or, heaven forbid, OEM, and you will end up with a real nice tool that you can use to crimp all kinds of stuff with the right die.

as an EE, my gut feeling is along the lines of previous posters; there isn't generally speaking an inherent advantage to a crimped **** splice per se; it's just that it takes a little bit of time and practice to develop good soldering technique. easier to just outfit someone with a crimper and off they go. personally i always use solder and heat shrink **** splices for anything under, like, 22 AWG unless i'm running some romex in which case i'll just use wire nuts. scotchloks for 22 AWG up, and leave the crimper for connectors.

edit: fwiw i installed my car stereo head unit with a bunch of solder and heat shrink splicing back around, uh, 2007, i think, and i haven't had a single issue with connections breaking apart due to vibration (and that old ford 2.0L SPI SOHC is not the smoothest runner!!). i do know how to solder properly, though :)
 
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Re: high quality crimping tool with dies, 22-24 AWG?

Wanted to see if you got things situated yet. Was hoping to see what crimp tool they were going to send you. Mind if I ask what the price was?

@scaron

That 30-572 die from ideal is for plastic insulated **** connectors not heat shrink. Also it does not have a die for the smaller **** connector he is trying to crimp.
 
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