Anyone used PURE METALLIC Epoxy?

PieFace · Oct 24, 2013

I found this site, and the floors look cool.

I have zero flooring experience, but am a quick study. I plan to grind the concrete in my garage this weekend to clean it up and fill in any cracks.

Has anyone had any experience with this product?

http://www.puremetallic.com/metallic-epoxy-coatings.html

3 car garage, planning to do a lift in the future.

ADSR · Oct 25, 2013

Bro, some of those floors look insane!

I've never see any floors like that on this board.

Thanks for the link.

PieFace · Oct 25, 2013

Yea, the red ones look like lava!

Im thinking of going with some kind of smokey color.

workhurts · Oct 25, 2013

You mean like this?

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workhurts · Oct 25, 2013

I really should get around to updating my stuff. I can give you pretty good info on how easy/hard it is to do and some of the issues I ran into and what kind of help they provided in resolving it. Definitely learned alot doing it. I wouldn't hesitate doing it again but practice does make perfect. Wish I knew what I know now prior to starting. There are a lot of variables that can effect the look. Andy over there was very helpful. My biggest suggestion is to get one additional can of base. He may disagree with me but just do it.

Also apply your clear epoxy a little light (it's not crystal clear). The picture I posted is prior to the clear and urethane. The urethane I had some issues with which I posted elsewhere and it's definitely not as vibrant after the clear epoxy but still beautiful.

I'll have a full post up maybe next week but if you want to know anything specific send me a message.

PieFace · Oct 25, 2013

That is BEAUTIFUL.

how do you feel about its durability? Scratches?

Im going to be rolling welding units and workbenches across it, (in addition to Jeeps)

Did you use the drip method they suggest?

What color is that? and did you use different base vs. top coat? or is it all the same color?

workhurts · Oct 25, 2013

I have zero info about durability or scratches. It's been on for almost 3 weeks and I just put a car on it last night. Figured I'd play it safe. However, I can't imagine that the durability would be worse or better than comparable products that use similar materials.

Grind floor, 40-50% solids primer, 100% solids base, effects (yes, I did drizzle ... it's definitely a two person job at a minimum), 100% solids clear epoxy on top, urethane on top of that. I almost view the urethane as a sacrificial layer.

Some may take issue with the 40-50% solids primer but many think a thinner primer is better than using 100% solids as a first layer. What part of the country are you in? There's a lot of information on here. How much does your floor slope? I was told by someone that since my floor sloped about 4" across 20' that it would look like melted candles since the epoxy would flow downhill. Not true.

Call them up and talk to them. Andy did a great job explaining everything and is a pretty patient person.

ADSR · Oct 25, 2013

workhurts, That floor is crazy!! I love it. Please post more pictures when you have the time.

Well done!

rugerlady · Oct 25, 2013

That floor is sick! I love it! We have been playing around with the metallics a bit.

ct71rr · Oct 25, 2013

Holy **** that floor is cool! How do you get those effects?

PieFace · Oct 25, 2013

ct71rr said:
Holy **** that floor is cool! How do you get those effects?

Ill see if I can find a video. you put the basecoat down, and then drip the top coat on it, and it levels itself into that cool splotchy look. 3-D

PieFace · Oct 25, 2013

Here's a pic of my garage. You can see the slope in the cinderblocks on the far wall.

Cant wait to grind it this weekend.

ct71rr · Oct 26, 2013

Here's a pretty good video on it. These floors are very cool looking!!

ADSR · Oct 26, 2013

ct71rr said:
Here's a pretty good video on it. These floors are very cool looking!!

Holy ****. In my neck of the woods too!

ADSR · Oct 26, 2013

PieFace said:
Ill see if I can find a video. you put the basecoat down, and then drip the top coat on it, and it levels itself into that cool splotchy look. 3-D

We need a video of that, bro.

thegarageguy · Oct 27, 2013

These epoxy floors can be done with many effects...here is one I just finished this weekend in Ft. Lauderdale. My client wanted to have an ocean effect in his entrance to his home. Here he is enjoying his new floor.

BFBOB · Oct 27, 2013

workhurts said:
You mean like this?

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NO WAY!! I'd spend the whole time with vertigo - feeling like walking a tightrope over a coral reef in shallow water! :willy_nil

workhurts · Oct 27, 2013

Tell ya what. If money were no object or it needed to be perfect (in a commercial application or a highly visible part of the house) I'd use thegarageguy and people like him in a heart beat. What irks me, is that you get stories about these horrible contractors that really don't know what they are doing.

As an example, the way I found the guy to grind my floor was because I reached out to the one of the installers on originacolorchips website. The installer really had no clue what he was talking about and so I decided I was going to tackle the project myself.

What they do is provide a kit and you drizzle the effects on. The effects (depending on type of floor, colors, mixes, primer ... etc) will create effects on thier own. I was inches and seconds away from ordering epoxy from Legacy, along with metallic pigment and going at it myself. I then decided swirling with a roller, flicking MEK, using a torch or a leaf blower would probably not be a good thing to do for DIY with no prior experience.

I'm sure thegarageguy and others can can come up with outstanding effects and a specific look but that does take experience and an artisitic/visionary mind. What the originalcolorchips stuff does is create fractal patterns from the drizzling of effects and a random flowy look from the self leveling.

If you use anything from them, plan ahead of time and ask for samples. I was they sold mini kits where you could experiment. I have a hard time choosing from a set list for something this unique.

Zeke · Oct 27, 2013

I didn't know floors had evolved to this state. Here is the next video from the list.

Pretty wild.

bigbadktm · Oct 27, 2013

If you are putting it down in an area that is prone to scratching, think about sealing it with a satin polyurethane. The satin hides imperfections as well. I will try and remember to take a picture of our office floor with the metallic splash effect and satin sealer. It has been down for over a year and nothing more than mopping to clean it.

ADSR · Oct 27, 2013

Zeke said:
I didn't know floors had evolved to this state. Here is the next video from the list.

Pretty wild.

That's just too damn cool!

rugerlady · Oct 28, 2013

The garage guy definitely has set the standard of how a great floor is done!

PieFace · Oct 29, 2013

Any tips on prep?

And we've seen the drop method, and the ocean method. Any other cool routes to go with this stuff?

thegarageguy · Oct 29, 2013

rugerlady said:
The garage guy definitely has set the standard of how a great floor is done!

thanks for the kind words

dcs Inc · Oct 29, 2013

Showroom entry. I installed this 5 years ago. Coffee, Copper and Brass.

The first REFLECTOR Enhancer floor installation, Indianapolis. 6 years ago.

Hair salon, north side

Private "card game" room south side.

Dance floor in Indy

Concrete wood

Roberts camera

Basement

World of Concrete Artistry Application 2010

Restaurant, downtown Indy

Residential

Young boys bedroom

Pool decks

Driveways

Patios

Garages

ADSR · Oct 29, 2013

dcs Inc said:
Showroom entry. I installed this 5 years ago. Coffee, Copper and Brass.

The first REFLECTOR Enhancer floor installation, Indianapolis. 6 years ago.

Hair salon, north side

Private "card game" room south side.

Dance floor in Indy

Concrete wood

Roberts camera

Basement

World of Concrete Artistry Application 2010

Restaurant, downtown Indy

Residential

Young boys bedroom

Pool decks

Driveways

Patios

Garages

HOLY ****!

You win! :eyecrazy:

Would love to see some videos of how you make your floors, living art!

dcs Inc · Oct 29, 2013

I really need to make some videos. I show this stuff in class but it would be good to get it on tape. I have a whole bunch more I've done. I'll need to go through them and pull out some better ones.

PieFace · Oct 29, 2013

Those are all SOOO cool.

when prepping for video, you don't need crazy camera gear. they make point and shoot camera's that will record in 1080p just put one on a tripod and go to work.

The hair salon is the drip method right?

PieFace · Oct 29, 2013

Here's some video I dug up

dcs Inc · Oct 29, 2013

Seems everybody is coming up with their version or REFLECTOR Enhancer. I knew it would take off after people see it. A lot of this stuff is finely ground mica that just doesn't do what our powders do. Still good looking though. That salon floor was done several yeas ago. The designer wanted a moon looking surface and that was what I came up with. I used a clear solvent resist and sprayed that over the surface to create that look. The method on in the video looks easy enough to do. Your just displacing one color with another. I'm sure a lot of new styles will emerge as the metallics are getting very popular.

PieFace · Oct 29, 2013

dcs Inc said:
Seems everybody is coming up with their version or REFLECTOR Enhancer. I knew it would take off after people see it. A lot of this stuff is finely ground mica that just doesn't do what our powders do. Still good looking though. That salon floor was done several yeas ago. The designer wanted a moon looking surface and that was what I came up with. I used a clear solvent resist and sprayed that over the surface to create that look. The method on in the video looks easy enough to do. Your just displacing one color with another. I'm sure a lot of new styles will emerge as the metallics are getting very popular.

mineral spirits? - clear solvent resist?

dcs Inc · Oct 29, 2013

Ha.... I wound up using our Clean Print. That is our liquid release for our thin stamp applications. I do believe it has mineral spirits in it.

thegarageguy · Oct 30, 2013

dcs Inc said:
Seems everybody is coming up with their version or REFLECTOR Enhancer.

You say it as if EC invented this system....It was around way before....some of us where using products from hot rod shops and auto body supply houses to create these looks years before it was introduced by manufacturers.

JD in DFW · Oct 30, 2013

thegarageguy said:
You say it as if EC invented this system....It was around way before....some of us where using products from hot rod shops and auto body supply houses to create these looks years before it was introduced by manufacturers.

Yea my Dad used to do the same effects with coatings when painting cars and other surfaces in the 60's Don't think EC can take credit for that look...though I'm sure some installers/manufactures will claim they did.

Have not done many in garages as of yet, but have on a number of commercial jobs.

JD

dcs Inc · Oct 30, 2013

No, I'm sure it has been used on a lot of things other than floors. There have been finely ground actual metallic paint for awhile. Expensive to say the least. Not claiming anything so don't get your ******* in a wad.

I'm just saying the product was not available mainstream before Elite Crete introduced it. The mica reference is what the competition has come up to compete with it.

workhurts · Oct 30, 2013

DCS - do you guys produce your own metallic pigment? I'm guessing you do because from what I've gathered Torginol either makes or distributes the vast majority of metallic pigment in the US. I also found Cohills had some but can't remember whether they sourced from Torginol or not. I can't say for sure but I think original colorchips get thier metallic from Torginol.

All I gotta say with metallics is that if you can afford it at all and want to experiment then go for it. You can get sample pigment directly from Torginol and you can mix it into a clear of your choosing. Swirl, drop one color on another, add a reducer, drizzle a reducer, spritz some denatured alcohol, mineral spirits or MEK, leaf blow, blow torch, roll around in it (not). This is really cool stuff.

Heck, the RockSolid floor that someone else posted about came out looking pretty nice. So back to the original question ... for a DIY application how do you go about doing it? Pure Metallic Epoxy, RockSolid, mix some pigment with whatever clear you want or purchase premixed metallic epoxy?

thegarageguy · Oct 31, 2013

dcs Inc said:
I'm just saying the product was not available mainstream before Elite Crete introduced it.

wrong again....Miracote was to the gate way before EC....but when you say available to the mainstream, do you mean sell it to every Tom, **** and Harry, then maybe you are correct.

bellhorsepower · Oct 31, 2013

This would be the Rocksolid that Workhurts mentioned.http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220243

dcs Inc · Oct 31, 2013

Ok garage guy... Are you talking about the expensive chameleon stuff they sell? Different animal. Is Trevor still around with them? Last I looked at them was back in 2005 as they were very small back then. Still under Crossfield Products?

When I did the Artistry Demo at the World of Concrete in Vegas back in 2010 the guys next to me were using the chameleon stuff and it was pretty neat. When I heard the costs I about fell over. I let them use the REFLECTOR Enhancer powders and they have been using it since. Again a completely different animal but nice try anyway.

I think if you were doing a counter top or a mural that stuff would be great but for a large floor..... $.

dcs Inc · Oct 31, 2013

Workhurts, shoot me an email and I can explain the process.

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