ct71rr
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Just out of curiosity, what would materials cost for a 1000sq.ft. floor, like the one in your (dcs inc) first pic of the "showroom entry".
Anyone used PURE METALLIC Epoxy?
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So im moving forward on my garage make over. I contacted bodenkraft, home of the GarageGuy in NJ.
He came to my garage, and completely changed my plan of attack. I have a spot where there are two sections of concrete I was going to fill with ardex feather finish (henry's). I was told that my plan would not work and the space I filled would eventually force it self out when the concrete moved.
so Ive got a strip line in my floor.
He suggested we put down the epoxy and then cut into large tiles. Super cool idea. It would mask the one strip ive got.
Then we'd grout them. Its getting cold here in NJ and I need to get moving!
He came to my garage, and completely changed my plan of attack. I have a spot where there are two sections of concrete I was going to fill with ardex feather finish (henry's). I was told that my plan would not work and the space I filled would eventually force it self out when the concrete moved.
so Ive got a strip line in my floor.
He suggested we put down the epoxy and then cut into large tiles. Super cool idea. It would mask the one strip ive got.
Then we'd grout them. Its getting cold here in NJ and I need to get moving!
thegarageguy
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How is it a different animal? It's Metallic, Mineral, Oxidized, Sparkle, Pearlescent, Iridescent, Mica and/or Micron Powders blended into epoxies.
With all due respect, stop acting like EC has some sort of special formulation that everyone is trying to emulate.
I am not here to promote or put down any Company but lets keep it real.
I think you are looking at about $1000 for 1000 sq ft
http://www.originalcolorchips.com/s...&cPath=36_46&zenid=3sbdpv0au4at8vd62jabk4ne44
dcs Inc
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Yes it is a product you mix into clear epoxy.Take the time and compare the products available side by side as I have and then you will see the difference.
Our REFLECTOR Enhancer stays suspended much longer, It is a lot easier to get the 3 dimensional depth as it doesn't fall out as hard as the other stuff available on the market. The variant color shading is deeper and richer. You don't have to use as much of the powders to achieve the look you want. You don't have to depend on solvents or a blower or heat to get movement. Take the time and compare this stuff and you too will see the difference.
You should contact our distributor up in your area. He's kicking *** on larger installations. Specifications are rolling in on commercial and industrial projects.
I think he has the smaller residential stuff happening too if that's all you do. Or not.
Our REFLECTOR Enhancer stays suspended much longer, It is a lot easier to get the 3 dimensional depth as it doesn't fall out as hard as the other stuff available on the market. The variant color shading is deeper and richer. You don't have to use as much of the powders to achieve the look you want. You don't have to depend on solvents or a blower or heat to get movement. Take the time and compare this stuff and you too will see the difference.
You should contact our distributor up in your area. He's kicking *** on larger installations. Specifications are rolling in on commercial and industrial projects.
I think he has the smaller residential stuff happening too if that's all you do. Or not.
dcs Inc
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Please confirm the PM I sent.
JD in DFW
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I totally agree with you Fernando, have used some of these methods for the same effects. The metallic floors have not really caught on here in the DFW area.
With regard to EC, dude this is a DIY site, not a place for you to pimp your company. Lending advice to the members is what it is all about for us installers here. You do come across like you "invented the coating processes" might want to go into a lower gear with that approach.
ct71rr
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dcs Inc
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Hey, someone asked and I explained to them the difference. Not sure why you feel so threatened. Your perception is what is out of whack. I have no underlying motives here. Just trying to keep it real.
TAMPAGT07
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You bastards......There goes another $1000 into my garage...My next major garage project.....Truely amazing......
1000 is the epoxy, the bigger problem is prep. diamond grinding the floor and addressing cracks.
prep is everything in this sort of install. My floor looks "ok" but upon futher inspection, its got problem areas everywhere.
TAMPAGT07
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Those prices exclude clear coat and urethane coat. Count on doubling the $1k to $2k by the time you are done.
My 600 sq ft cost a bit over $1k for all material including primer, base, effects, clear epoxy and urethane.
Still having a heck of a time with the urethane. Not sure what happened to it.
My 600 sq ft cost a bit over $1k for all material including primer, base, effects, clear epoxy and urethane.
Still having a heck of a time with the urethane. Not sure what happened to it.
dcs Inc
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What's going on with it workhurts?
can you describe the problem?
Didn't really want to completely hijack this thread but I had posted previously on the little bubbles in the urethane and wasn't sure it was contaminate or humidty or application, in either case the supplier was going to give me more material and it had started getting cold so I postponed the fix till next spring on the off-chance that I wouldn't care about the pinhole type issues.
2 weeks after install I moved my motorcycle in and put the kickstand on a piece of plastic as to not mark the floor at all. I moved it yesterday (3.5 weeks into the cure) and placed the kickstand down without the plastic to protect it and it gnarled up the floor pretty badly. Bike is only 400lbs and I've never had a problem with it on epoxy floors so I was thinking maybe the urethane was softer.
It's definitely just the urethane since once the floor got gnarled up I could scratch off the rough stuff with a finger nail and the epoxy under it was rock hard. Called supplier and they confirm it's not supposed to do that. I went ahead and experimented more and I can create an X in the urethane with just my car key. I can then basically peel off the area I asked with some effort with just my fingernail. There's definitely an issue with the urethane cure. It was a 2 part poly alpiphatic. Conditions seemed ideal (although maybe a little high on the humidity) and I kept the garage doors open as to not cause it to film. Still there's an issue with it. I don't view it as a reflection on the supplier at all ... stuff happens sometimes and I'm perfectly happy waiting till spring to get the coat of urethane off and start over. I think I would have to do that to get rid of the pinhole bubbles anyway and add to it the fact that I'm undecided as to whether I can survive a wet winter with a floor that doesn't have antislip. If I can ultimately fix something little speed bumps don't bother me as I view them as a learning experience.
2 weeks after install I moved my motorcycle in and put the kickstand on a piece of plastic as to not mark the floor at all. I moved it yesterday (3.5 weeks into the cure) and placed the kickstand down without the plastic to protect it and it gnarled up the floor pretty badly. Bike is only 400lbs and I've never had a problem with it on epoxy floors so I was thinking maybe the urethane was softer.
It's definitely just the urethane since once the floor got gnarled up I could scratch off the rough stuff with a finger nail and the epoxy under it was rock hard. Called supplier and they confirm it's not supposed to do that. I went ahead and experimented more and I can create an X in the urethane with just my car key. I can then basically peel off the area I asked with some effort with just my fingernail. There's definitely an issue with the urethane cure. It was a 2 part poly alpiphatic. Conditions seemed ideal (although maybe a little high on the humidity) and I kept the garage doors open as to not cause it to film. Still there's an issue with it. I don't view it as a reflection on the supplier at all ... stuff happens sometimes and I'm perfectly happy waiting till spring to get the coat of urethane off and start over. I think I would have to do that to get rid of the pinhole bubbles anyway and add to it the fact that I'm undecided as to whether I can survive a wet winter with a floor that doesn't have antislip. If I can ultimately fix something little speed bumps don't bother me as I view them as a learning experience.
dcs Inc
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Well I can only respond on my experiences. Some urethanes have a high surface tension and if applied too thin they will create little pin holes that look like bubbles. Not sure if this is your situation or not. Is this a water borne product or solvent based urethane. The VOC laws have dramatically changed in Indiana and suppliers are required to move to the water borne products. Easy to apply but personally, a good smelly coating seemed to last much longer. Hopefully the technology will catch up with the times.
tncatadjuster
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Good post.
My first floor of this nature was in 1992
I came up with it on my own before any knowledge from other parties.
If you do enough epoxy you start thinking up new ways.
thegarageguy
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Gotta love the subtle but obvious back handed swipes....yes, small little residential jobs is all we do
Buddy, I've used EC many times and know my local EC distributor Rob Sattlemeyer and John Massery. EC products are good but your claim to deeper, richer, no need for chemicals and blowing is a bunch of ********. I know who EC's reflector color supplier is and its no different than most.
EC specifications may be rolling out in your area but not mine. If they where I'd be bidding on them and using EC more often. But most often than not, I find EC's business model is to sell to every Tom, **** and Harry and there doesn't seem to be much loyalty to "certified" contractors.
In conclusion, I am not looking to bang heads with you or disparage EC in any way. This site is meant for honest exchange of information. As a professional, I am here to help people understand the pros, cons and separate fact from ******** about our industry. Our industry as a whole is already marred with negative connotations because of over hyped marketing and watered down big box store ****. Let's be ambassadors to our industry on this site, not product pushers and bashers.
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Everyone thinks it's the same yet I get calls constantly from product distributors and manufacturers asking for this product to sell to you all. There is only one Reflector Enhancer and it will be sold only to be used with ECS epoxy in my territory (New England and New York) Whether it's Reflextions made for Duraflex by Torginol or anyone else's its not the same. As far as every Tom **** or Harry - I treat all my guys with a level playing field. There may be instances where I direct leads but that's based on experience and set up. If a small guy gets a large job WE work together toward the success of the project. There isn't an installer on this forum using my products that I haven't receive a client call on - so who will cast the first stone? Honest exchange of information is what I always what I try to offer. I have heard how all of you invented everything out there and its all the same - you living in a dream world. I'm looking for any Tom **** or Harry that is serious about what they do. You want to work with a company that will offer you superior products and help you grow call me - you have some questions - call me - you got something to say - call me
John Massery 413-464-2811 Elite Crete New England and New York
John Massery 413-464-2811 Elite Crete New England and New York
CreteCoater
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I have used Torginol's powders and saw little difference in the finished result compared to reflector.
I do notice a difference in epoxies and have since switched from EC. In a bid for a Harley Dealership the EC samples came in 3rd out of 3 in testing.
Its nice whenever I do have a problem the company actually helps troubleshoot the product on their end and requests batch numbers to do lab tests on their end before blaming the installer.
All I ever got from Freestone was the run around and blame game. Apparently EC never puts out a bad batch. Don't even get me started on the number of screwed up orders I have got from EC.
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I do notice a difference in epoxies and have since switched from EC. In a bid for a Harley Dealership the EC samples came in 3rd out of 3 in testing.
Its nice whenever I do have a problem the company actually helps troubleshoot the product on their end and requests batch numbers to do lab tests on their end before blaming the installer.
All I ever got from Freestone was the run around and blame game. Apparently EC never puts out a bad batch. Don't even get me started on the number of screwed up orders I have got from EC.
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Lookout!! Gene has unleashed the EC army on the forum!
ct71rr
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And the floor people are in the ring....LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLLLLE!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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Sorry Big M (interesting name) sorry you had problems with shipments and you got the only bad batch I've heard of but sometimes **** happens I guess.
But Big M sometimes you should try it again for the first time. Yea Big M sometimes we all make mistakes. Your mistake Big M is thinking theirs no difference between Reflector Enhancer and Torginols powder Call anytime Big M and come to my facility and we can compare products. Let me know Big M
But Big M sometimes you should try it again for the first time. Yea Big M sometimes we all make mistakes. Your mistake Big M is thinking theirs no difference between Reflector Enhancer and Torginols powder Call anytime Big M and come to my facility and we can compare products. Let me know Big M
ct71rr
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That's awesome!
Instead of the flooring dude's arguing, how about posting some pics of past jobs with metallic epoxy...put up or shut up
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CreteCoater
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Well, I usually don't talk epoxy on here but when certain distributors are basically telling one of the best installers in the northeast (meaning Garage & Beyond) that he doesn't know what he is talking about it irritates me.
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CreteCoater
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A peace offering of pics to the forum
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thegarageguy
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Nice pics CreteCoater...and thanks for the kind words.
So EC reps have claimed that their system is far superior and obviously better not only in looks but blah, blah, blah....
So instead of arguing, I'll let GJ members decide by playing a little game, find the EC pic. Here are 5 pics, 5 different manufacturers. Please find the EC job. For the sake of not promoting another Company, I will just say yes or no
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So EC reps have claimed that their system is far superior and obviously better not only in looks but blah, blah, blah....
So instead of arguing, I'll let GJ members decide by playing a little game, find the EC pic. Here are 5 pics, 5 different manufacturers. Please find the EC job. For the sake of not promoting another Company, I will just say yes or no
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#2
#3
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JD in DFW
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Fernando,
They all look awesome!! The first Pic #1 does not look as reflective as the others, but it may just be my display.
You do some pretty sweet floors both large and small. I for one have always enjoyed your positive input and the personal advice and direction you have given me over the years here.
I'd post more of our work here but its a pain posting the pictures to a different site then posting them here, unless the process has changed. For the last couple of years we have been doing 1-2 garages a day...I am about beat and ready for a vacation. Was on a garage job Friday night until 10PM, 1400 sqft garage...thing was bigger then my first house!
They all look awesome!! The first Pic #1 does not look as reflective as the others, but it may just be my display.
You do some pretty sweet floors both large and small. I for one have always enjoyed your positive input and the personal advice and direction you have given me over the years here.
I'd post more of our work here but its a pain posting the pictures to a different site then posting them here, unless the process has changed. For the last couple of years we have been doing 1-2 garages a day...I am about beat and ready for a vacation. Was on a garage job Friday night until 10PM, 1400 sqft garage...thing was bigger then my first house!
CreteCoater
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JD. If you get the tapatalk app for your phone posting pics are a breeze.
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thegarageguy
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Thanks JD...wish to see more of your work on here....just liked your FB page
You are right, the pic#1 isn't as shiny because it has a satin polyurethane.
I gotta try this Tapatalk CreteCoater recommends. Learn something new everyday
@LordDiesel, that's the whole point of this discussion...it's not who or what product is better, it really comes out to applicator when it comes to these designer epoxy systems. I can take one color and make it look completely different in 4 ways by simply applying them distinctly.
Pure Metallix isn't any different product wise but it does seem they have a unique application method to create their exotic effects.
For anyone interested, the performance of any resin system first starts by good concrete preparation. Also, ensuring moisture content in the slab does not exceed the products guidelines. Last but not least, the type of finish or final sealer will ensure your floor will maintain a good look for years to come.
ct71rr
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The gauntlet has been thrown!!
Fernando & The Big M, those floors are beautiful!!! That floor with the reds, blues and yellows is impressive!!
Fernando & The Big M, those floors are beautiful!!! That floor with the reds, blues and yellows is impressive!!
thegarageguy
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Thanks
Though the majority of our work is now retail and commercial, most garages we get are usually chip floors and rarely designer epoxies.
Here is a cool garage designer epoxy system we just finished a couple of weeks ago. The client asked to play off of the wall colors, wanted the floor to abstract and gave me some artistic freedom. We used a black primer and lightened the color load on the base coat in order to allow the black to peak through and decided on satin finish. So this is what we came up with.
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reddevildemo
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I really like this floor. How well does this hold up in a garage? I think I have found how I want to do the new garage?
Would you have a rough cost for a extra deep 3 stall ?
I really like this floor. How well does this hold up in a garage? I think I have found how I want to do the new garage?
Would you have a rough cost for a extra deep 3 stall ?
CreteCoater
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That would be a concrete overlay which would either be stamped or troweled and scribed by hand. It could be sealed with clear epoxy and urethane to make it suitable for garage use but would cost a considerable amount. 10 - 13 a square foot or so if it were me.
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