Mystery Drill Press - Experts needed to identify

trustmefada · Jul 6, 2014

First off, I will not post the manufacturing or supplier tags yet because anyone can google this, which I have and I really had to dig deep into old patents and machinery catalogs to identify the model number and year based on similar pictures.

I want to find someone who either knows just by looking at it or actually has one in use. I bought this at auction a few weeks ago and I need to know more about it. I will eventually post the info I found marked on the press, which I am stilling looking to find more markings.

Some details on the build:
-The motor is not original as you can see the back half of the tail has broken off (cast iron construction) and previous owner made an angle bracket to mount the motor.
-Originally this was Flat Belt driven.
-Has a #1 morse taper
-Hand wheel at the top left adjusts the tension on the belt (the motor can slide back and forth in place of a set of pulleys sliding back and forth).
-The chain attached to the head of the press is attached to a weight that slides through the center post and aids in adjusting the vertical height of the head.

Fretters · Jul 6, 2014

Maybe if you mentioned exactly what it is you're wanting to know about the unit, it might help.

trustmefada · Jul 6, 2014

Anything...everything...something. Maybe someone has an old manual or something that would explain its original construction. I can tell you that you being from England likely wouldn't have seen this before as the press was made local to Cincinnati, OH.

I am looking to restore the press and to do that I would need more information on the parts list and such. The back half that was broken off would be difficult to fix of course, but if I had another user that has the same press. I can't just rely on on marketing ads with faded B&W pictures to go-by.

I am also looking to gauge the rarity of the tool, not alot of information on the web about the tool. I doubt you specifically have so much information that I need to specifically mention what I want/need to know, so if you have a trove of information on this then please post an index and I will select certain chapters...haha, please have an index that would be awesome.

Fretters · Jul 6, 2014

Just wanted to check so as to gauge which might be the best advice to offer.

With something of that age and especially if you're after parts, the owwm.org forum might be worth posting on too. That forum is geared specifically towards vintage/antique machinery, and there may be someone there who may be able to help with parts too.

LB-1911 · Jul 6, 2014

As suggested by Fretters - http://vintagemachinery.org/

larry_g · Jul 6, 2014

I'm not up for any games either but I have what may the next generation of that machine, you can search for pictures on here.

lg
no neat sig line

trustmefada · Jul 6, 2014

Not a game but more like a filter for what I already know from my googling. Any idiot could reply to this with a "Let me google that for you" link.

I am looking for real...hands on...owner oriented information. I will post the information I have collected once I get it together. I will try the OWWM forum also, thanks for the advice.

LB-1911 · Jul 6, 2014

Photo Index Submissions by Manufacturer
http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/bymfg.aspx

Photo Index by Machine Type
http://vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/bytype.aspx

woody 73 · Jul 6, 2014

Wow what a great first post... :beer:

"Don't keep a Man guessing too, long - he's sure to find the answer somewhere else". :rocker:

Mae West

gatewaysysop · Jul 6, 2014

trustmefada said:
First off, I will not post the manufacturing or supplier tags yet because anyone can google this, which I have and I really had to dig deep into old patents and machinery catalogs to identify the model number and year based on similar pictures.

Awesome first post. :rolleyes2

"I'm here to get info, but not willing to share any what I already found."

Thanks for your vast contribution to the forum, here's hoping folks respond in kind and share just as much and as freely as you have.

Sam'sAutoParts · Jul 6, 2014

I don't know anything about this DP, but my interest is peaked.

Outlawmws · Jul 6, 2014

I smell an Eprey reseller looking for free info...

And the gamesmanship! You really know how to impress! Not...

trustmefada · Jul 6, 2014

Sorry if I offended anyone by posting to this forum with a genuine interest about a very old tool that so far the amazing Outlaw hasn't seen yet. I guess I need to just start haucking my auction and garage sale box flats of wrenches and sockets and up charge 1000% to be taken seriously here. When I need info about a socket, I will let you know outlaw.

So here is some of the info I have been withholding, I will need to get the rest from my work computer.

Pic 1: Side view

Pic 2: Mfg Badging, The Cincinnati Pulley Machinery Co. with the Avey brand

Pic 3: Dealer Badging, Gosiger Machinery Co, Still operating in Dayton

Pic 4: Number 13 Marked on dovetail slide

Pic 5: Front View, hard to see, but Avey is marked on the flat part

Pic 6: Depth markings

I will post any other pictures if anyone has a request and I will post the research I have done already.

Outlawmws · Jul 7, 2014

Wow, what an entrance. Asking for (demanding) information BUT only on your terms. :dunno:

trustmefada said:
First off, I will not post the manufacturing or supplier tags yet because anyone can google this, which I have and I really had to dig deep into old patents and machinery catalogs to identify the model number and year based on similar pictures.

I want to find someone who either knows just by looking at it or actually has one in use. I bought this at auction a few weeks ago and I need to know more about it. I will eventually post the info I found marked on the press, which I am stilling looking to find more markings.

Some details on the build:
-The motor is not original as you can see the back half of the tail has broken off (cast iron construction) and previous owner made an angle bracket to mount the motor.
-Originally this was Flat Belt driven.
-Has a #1 morse taper
-Hand wheel at the top left adjusts the tension on the belt (the motor can slide back and forth in place of a set of pulleys sliding back and forth).
-The chain attached to the head of the press is attached to a weight that slides through the center post and aids in adjusting the vertical height of the head.

Someone asks for some background and you INSULT them by ASSuming they simply won't know...

trustmefada said:
Anything...everything...something. Maybe someone has an old manual or something that would explain its original construction. I can tell you that you being from England likely wouldn't have seen this before as the press was made local to Cincinnati, OH.

I am looking to restore the press and to do that I would need more information on the parts list and such. The back half that was broken off would be difficult to fix of course, but if I had another user that has the same press. I can't just rely on on marketing ads with faded B&W pictures to go-by.

I am also looking to gauge the rarity of the tool, not alot of information on the web about the tool. I doubt you specifically have so much information that I need to specifically mention what I want/need to know, so if you have a trove of information on this then please post an index and I will select certain chapters...haha, please have an index that would be awesome.

BUT, if you HAPPEN to be wrong, and he DOES have some info, you MIGHT deign to peruse properly indexed information... :wtf:

Then you insult anyone who might want to try to help, but wait! it's not by your RULES!!! :willy_nil

trustmefada said:
Not a game but more like a filter for what I already know from my googling. Any idiot could reply to this with a "Let me google that for you" link.

I am looking for real...hands on...owner oriented information. I will post the information I have collected once I get it together. I will try the OWWM forum also, thanks for the advice.

More limits on how and who can contribute!

And maybe just maybe, you will repost the information! Why how very GENEROUS of you...

You apologize, and then you take a shot at me personally, since I called you on your preposterous demands.

Do you see why you are getting negative responses? Everyone here is interested in tools. That's why we are here. You want to to be taken seriously here? Don't come in with arrogantly phrased demands and rules in your first 4 posts.

trustmefada said:
Sorry if I offended anyone by posting to this forum with a genuine interest about a very old tool that so far the amazing Outlaw hasn't seen yet. I guess I need to just start haucking my auction and garage sale box flats of wrenches and sockets and up charge 1000% to be taken seriously here. When I need info about a socket, I will let you know outlaw.

So here is some of the info I have been withholding, I will need to get the rest from my work computer.

Pic 1: Side view

Pic 2: Mfg Badging, The Cincinnati Pulley Machinery Co. with the Avey brand

Pic 3: Dealer Badging, Gosiger Machinery Co, Still operating in Dayton

Pic 4: Number 13 Marked on dovetail slide

Pic 5: Front View, hard to see, but Avey is marked on the flat part

Pic 6: Depth markings

I will post any other pictures if anyone has a request and I will post the research I have done already.

zkling · Jul 7, 2014

Why do you "need" to know more about it? Depending on your answer I will tell you what I know. :dunno:

Carla · Jul 7, 2014

Hmmm......I looked at the photo, earlier, and would have said either the Avey or Allen make, both of which were good high quality machines.

All you really need to know is that the only useful and slightly valuable parts are the single phase motor and the 'bench type' single spindle base.

If you want to make a useful drill press of what you have, be patient, and sooner or later someone will be parting out an old Avey multiple spindle drill press, and you may be able to get a complete, functional upper, however, you'll still have to fake up a driving pulley and cone pulleys for it.

In short, yes, you have a start on a functional drill press, but you've a long way to go.

You could opt for a 'war-time conversion', with a '30's or '40's motor and make a flat pulley for the motor, or shrink a piece of aluminum over the spindle pulley and v-groove it for a v-belt, having a single-speed drill press, which could be perfectly usable in a woodworking shop.

the single-spindle bench type table, itself, is desirable.......check the bolt pattern against that of other makes of drills. I've seen just the upper assemblies from Leland-Gifford, Avey, Allen, Edlund, Delta, and Walker-Turner gang drills, in good working order, offered cheaply on some internet sites. I'd think that putting one of those on your existing table, if the bolt pattern would match, would be far less work than trying to make a useful machine from what you now have.

cheers

Carla

trustmefada · Jul 7, 2014

zkling said:
Why do you "need" to know more about it? Depending on your answer I will tell you what I know.

Need the information for an attempt at a restoration. The back tail section that is missing could be replicated...recast and welded...maybe. I have never attempted anything like that before. Mounting the motor were it is makes this thing back heavy and it tends to tip easily. There are also no tie down thru holes in the base, so If I were to use this regularly I would probably just use clamps to a workbench.

The pulleys specifically would be the easiest thing to recreate. There are two tapped holes, 1/2-13 maybe, in the "slide" that I assume were originally used to secure the pulley assemblies. Based on the old marketing pics this is all I can assume at this point.

trustmefada · Jul 7, 2014

Carla said:
Hmmm......I looked at the photo, earlier, and would have said either the Avey or Allen make, both of which were good high quality machines.

All you really need to know is that the only useful and slightly valuable parts are the single phase motor and the 'bench type' single spindle base.

If you want to make a useful drill press of what you have, be patient, and sooner or later someone will be parting out an old Avey multiple spindle drill press, and you may be able to get a complete, functional upper, however, you'll still have to fake up a driving pulley and cone pulleys for it.

In short, yes, you have a start on a functional drill press, but you've a long way to go.

You could opt for a 'war-time conversion', with a '30's or '40's motor and make a flat pulley for the motor, or shrink a piece of aluminum over the spindle pulley and v-groove it for a v-belt, having a single-speed drill press, which could be perfectly usable in a woodworking shop.

the single-spindle bench type table, itself, is desirable.......check the bolt pattern against that of other makes of drills. I've seen just the upper assemblies from Leland-Gifford, Avey, Allen, Edlund, Delta, and Walker-Turner gang drills, in good working order, offered cheaply on some internet sites. I'd think that putting one of those on your existing table, if the bolt pattern would match, would be far less work than trying to make a useful machine from what you now have.

cheers

Carla

It is actually functional right now and by that I mean the spindle rotates. I haven't tried drilling any holes yet (waiting for my MT1 spindle) to see if the torque will be transmitted very well to the flat pulley spindle drive using that v-belt. I would still need to make a guard before I would consider using this regularly.

Adding a V-groove spindle to the drive spindle is a great idea, initially I thought I would have to remake the drive spindle with a V-groove. I work with enough machine shops to get something like that done.

The gang drills comment, that was the only configuration I have seen these Avey drills in which you lead me to find this article which actually shows the belt configuration at the bottom rear mount.

Thanks Carla and I think you are spot on with the fact that deep down I just want a functioning drill press, but i always end end up with something I need to fix up because I am cheap. Bought this at auction for $35, and got a 3/4 hp working GE motor for $2.

motomaniac · Jun 15, 2015

I know this is an old thread but it looks like I may have some clue as to who made my drill press now.

Mabey I don't know, It looks similar to the ad but it also looks like one made by the Henry and Wright mfg. co. The steering wheel was definitely added by some one.

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