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Greetings all, I've been reading the GJ forum for several months in anticipation of starting on my small 20x20 shop. We recently moved from a home which had a 20x22 garage that was fully finished and had cabinets spanning every wall. I had a place for everything as it was well organized. Well, the new home has a 25x27 garage and seemed to fill up too quickly and become quite the unorganized mess. So I decided to move my hobbys out of the garage and into a small shop. I budgeted 5K so I'm doing as much of the work as I can on my own. So far I've only had to hire someone to finish the concrete slab. I can do many things by looking at the pictures in the book but concrete ain't one of them. Today I got the first wall up.
 

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I have been considering a 20x20 or 24x24 for my current place of residence as well and would have a very similar budget. I look forward to following this build and seeing how close it comes in at. Like you we don't mind doing 100% of the work minus concrete.
 
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I have been considering a 20x20 or 24x24 for my current place of residence as well and would have a very similar budget. I look forward to following this build and seeing how close it comes in at. Like you we don't mind doing 100% of the work minus concrete.



I went with 20x20 because there are no inspections required until I add electrical later. Got another wall up today, decided to sheath it afterward as the first wall was a bear to lift with the sheathing on.
 

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Greetings and welcome. A 20X20 for woodworking and hobbies will be a nice sized shop area. You are saving a lot by furnishing your own labor on the building. I will be interested in seeing what you do with it once built!

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Herb Spencer
 

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FF: good looking garage and you are making good progress. i know at 110 or so degrees in the summer a cross breeze might not help, but just wondering if you are planning on putting windows on each side that can open? or are you putting air conditioning in your garage?

so i'm guessing your weather is perfect for building this month and are you planning on having your garage roofed and sided by the end of January?

i'll keep stopping in and post lots of pictures. also if you have questions ask here and you might get quick answer or PM me and i'll try to help if I can.

good luck
 
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110 in the summer only if I drive 90 miles down to Phoenix, up here summers are mild except for July/August when we have the monsoon humidity.

There is going to be one window on the next wall and an 8' sectional door opposite the service door. December is normally our coldest month but this week is going to be perfect for building.
 

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FF: sorry i forgot you were up in the hills a bit and not down on the desert floor in Phoenix. very cool you don't need a permit, but looks like you are building to code or better which is always a good idea.

i could have built my deck on 16 inch centers and been code 20 years ago and i bought a few extra 2 x 12's and built it 12 inch on center and it's never moved and we raised 5 kids here.

keep up the great work
 
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Greetings and welcome. A 20X20 for woodworking and hobbies will be a nice sized shop area. You are saving a lot by furnishing your own labor on the building. I will be interested in seeing what you do with it once built!

Best Regards
Herb Spencer

Herb, the shop is mainly going to be used for my model airplane and Honda trail bike hobbys so I'm planning on lots of cabinets and workbench area. I like your shop/office and hope to have that nice of a shop to work in.

FF: sorry i forgot you were up in the hills a bit and not down on the desert floor in Phoenix. very cool you don't need a permit, but looks like you are building to code or better which is always a good idea.

i could have built my deck on 16 inch centers and been code 20 years ago and i bought a few extra 2 x 12's and built it 12 inch on center and it's never moved and we raised 5 kids here.

keep up the great work

DiF I agree, a few bucks more for a stronger structure is piece of mind. Much easier to over do it now than it is to try and correct things later.
 
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does another wall go up tomorrow? did you have the entire lumber package delivered or are you making your own tresses?


One wall at a time is good for me as I'm **** and tend to spend more time thinking, measuring and cutting than the average carpenter. Temps are in the high 20s in the morning so I wait until it warms up a bit before starting.

I didn't need a lumber package for this small of a building. I hauled all the materials to build the walls and will do the same for the roof next week. No trusses, roof will be rafters and have the ties set up to the 9 foot level to give me more ceiling height.
 
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Finished the last two walls and got the siding panels on two of them. It was so nice to install windows into near perfect openings also.
 

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Had to wait for a few bad storms to pass but managed to get the siding panels finished. Picked up the rest of the lumber tonight to start on the roof. More pictures to come.
 

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Hondas and model airplanes. My kind of shop :beer:

I'll be watching. Wish we had that kind of climate here.
 
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Looking good! Just a question, why did you put on the siding before putting on the roof?

I didn't see any advantage of putting the roof on first and wanted to keep moving forward when weather permitted. Also, I plan to close in the soffits with the same siding material for a clean look.

Hondas and model airplanes. My kind of shop :beer:

Along with a few Helis
 
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FF: looking good. good luck with the roof build and since you are not using tresses would you mind taking a few extra pictures so i (we) can see how you are building it?
 

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I didn't see any advantage of putting the roof on first and wanted to keep moving forward when weather permitted. Also, I plan to close in the soffits with the same siding material for a clean look.



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It doesn't make any difference as far as construction is concerned if the roof goes on first or the siding. But generally the roof goes on first, at least that is customary arounf here. That way in case of rain the building has a roof to keep the inside dry. I guess if the roof materials have not arrived but the siding is there, by all means, continue to work on the things you can. I just wondered if there was a particular reason why you did the siding first.

When I built my garage I put on the roof as soon as I had the walls up. Then I contacted the roofer to come and at least put the rubber drip edge and the felt paper on so that if it rained the inside wouldn't get all wet. It worked out good because we did get some rain the day afterwards and the inside stayed dry.
 
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It doesn't make any difference as far as construction is concerned if the roof goes on first or the siding. But generally the roof goes on first, at least that is customary arounf here. That way in case of rain the building has a roof to keep the inside dry. I guess if the roof materials have not arrived but the siding is there, by all means, continue to work on the things you can. I just wondered if there was a particular reason why you did the siding first. .


The roof plan draft was still in my head up until two days ago when I picked up the rest of the materials. Once the walls were up and sheathing was on, I had the wife prime all the cut edges then the siding panels went on with all overlaps and corners sealed so there was no chance of water soaking in. I also draped tarps from the outside of the walls to the inside sole plate. We had two good rain storms and all was dry:thumbup:

One other limiting factor I have is most everything is being done by me with some help from my wife and a neighbor when he can help. We just set the roof ridge yesterday, I got the rafter template made and will try to cut and install the rest today.
 

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FF: i know you are your own inspector so just throwing this out there. are you using those metal supports to attach your 2 x 6's to the ridge beam and top of your walls? nails might not be enough especially if you might get snow or some high winds.

it looks great and happy to hear your wife is helping. great team and keep up the good work. :thumbup:
 
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FF: i know you are your own inspector so just throwing this out there. are you using those metal supports to attach your 2 x 6's to the ridge beam and top of your walls? nails might not be enough especially if you might get snow or some high winds.

it looks great and happy to hear your wife is helping. great team and keep up the good work. :thumbup:

Not sure which supports we're talking about, joist hangars? I am using 2x8 rafters with a 2x10 ridge. Still need to add collar ties and rafter ties at the ceiling level. So far everything is straight, level and plumb. I had some help today from my neighbor to add the second half of the ridge and will finish up the rafters tomorrow then start on the fascia so I can get some sheathing/felt paper on before Christmas.
 

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A few more.
 

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Food looking build so far. Did you build the entire 20 foot wall at once and the. Lift it into place by yourself?

I will follow this project as you work through it.

The first wall I built and sheathed while it was on the pad but it was a bear to lift with only two people. The last three walls I built and put in place before the sheathing went on which was a piece of cake.
 
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Got a late start today but managed to finish the rafters. Starting to look like a shop.
 

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Looks good so far. Curious to know more about the permitting - You don't have any inspections or codes because it's 20 x 20, or because it's not having electrical? Sure sounds like it would make it easy to expedite the build. I had similar advantages building my garage.

One question - why did you install the OSB vertically, instead of horizontally?
 
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Looks good so far. Curious to know more about the permitting - You don't have any inspections or codes because it's 20 x 20, or because it's not having electrical? Sure sounds like it would make it easy to expedite the build. I had similar advantages building my garage.

One question - why did you install the OSB vertically, instead of horizontally?

The only permit that is required is a land use permit. The county just wants to make sure that the location is correct for setback requirements and it's not too close to the house or garage. The building at or under 400 square feet requires no inspections. Electrical or plumbing will require an inspection. The county changed this requirement to 200 sq ft back in October so I got in just under the wire.

Wall sheathing installed vertical on an 8 foot wall has all edges nailed and I hate blocking a wall just to go horizontal. Contrary to what the experts have to say, there is no difference in shear strength when installed either direction.
 

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The only permit that is required is a land use permit. The county just wants to make sure that the location is correct for setback requirements and it's not too close to the house or garage. The building at or under 400 square feet requires no inspections. Electrical or plumbing will require an inspection. The county changed this requirement to 200 sq ft back in October so I got in just under the wire.

Wall sheathing installed vertical on an 8 foot wall has all edges nailed and I hate blocking a wall just to go horizontal. Contrary to what the experts have to say, there is no difference in shear strength when installed either direction.
That's a good deal with the inspection process, makes it much easier for a homeowner and taxpayer to improve, and enjoy their property!

But, as for the orientation of the sheathing, running it horizontally does increase the strength of the structure, because it ties several more studs together in an 8' span, as opposed to a 4' span. Compound that with staggering the upper and lower layer, and it's advantages are compounded. But you're entitled to your opinion, and the garage looks great so far. Not too many things make a grown man smile like a kid, and a new shop will certainly do that. Gotta' love the unincorporated areas!

You mentioned that you just got in before they changed the qualification of the square footage - what did they decrease it to, and any idea why? I ask because I'm soon relocating to another state, and I'm specifically looking to an unincorporated area (similar to the area I currently live), so I'm not burdened with so many restrictive limits on my future garage.

Good luck on getting it done, without delays. I hope the weather holds out for you. We enjoy the updates and pics, so keep them coming!
 
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The county will only let a homeowner build up to 200 SF without inspections as of October. I'm not sure why the change but a friend of mine thinks they're after more revenue. I think it's because of all the rickety shacks that people build around the area. I see a few that have the garage doors on load bearing walls and their rooves sag right above the door, obviously an inadequate header. I also see entire rooves that look like sway back old mares.

As for sheathing, here is some interesting reading from an engineering standpoint

http://mgacon0.tripod.com/plywood.htm
 
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Got a few more things done over the last week. Roof sheathing will go on tomorrow along with drip edge and paper. Has to get done before a snowstorm on Wednesday and Thursday.
 

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Finally got the roof sheathing and paper installed. Finished just in time for the snow today and it's going to continue until tomorrow.
 

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Here's what today brought for the shop build. Had 5 inches before noon and more to come all night tonight.
 

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