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Coating/sealing options for a working garage bay and storage bay

hbracerx

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Ok,

Long time lurker, time for a question.

I'm building a 45 x 65 garage.
Dividing wall at 25 ft.
work bay 25 x 45, storage bay 40 x 45.
Work bay 14 ft ceilings, storage probably 9.

The work bay will be mostly used on weekends but will see a lot of heavy use building/rebuilding/prepping off road race buggies, fixing daily drivers, etc. Tons of grinding, welding, cutting. Regular exposure to oils, trans fluid, brake fluid (and other hydraulic fluids), degreasers, carb cleaner, etc, etc. Heavy things will fairly frequently be dropped on it. Need ability to drag around jacks, tool boxes, lots of other tools I have mounted on wheels to keep them mobile.

Storage bay will be for storing cars, tractors, buggies, all of the parts/oils/etc it takes to keep everything running.

This is in eastern PA, temps range from sub zero to over 100. Floor will have radiant heat, plan to keep things 40-50 most of the time, supplemental heat to bring up the work bay temp when I'm in there working. First year or two, it may not have heat though. (need to decide outdoor woodburner vs coal vs ??)

Builder is coming over Friday to review things, hoping to break ground in the next month or so.

I've been doing lots of reading but my head is starting to spin. Previous garage I epoxied and it did well. I got the epoxy at an industrial coatings supplier in the area. 13 yrs later the floor was starting to wear through in spots in the work bay but it was heavily abused.

I'm considering going epoxy again DIY but the above supplier is now out of business and my wife isn't too thrilled about playing with muriatic acid again. Did etch only then, no grinding on floor. I think I gave it nearly a month to cure if I recall. I'm afraid I won't be able to find a good contractor if I try to hire it out (I live somewhat in the sticks) but my work schedule now is much crazier than when I built the last one though. Less time for extended diy projects.

What you you recommend for the work vs storage bays. Function is more important than looks. Lighter color to reflect light helps. Tough and chemical resistant is important. I know nothing will last forever if I abuse it but prefer something that doesn't need routine touch up/maintenance. I really don't think the garage tiles are what I'm looking for. I know how dirty the last garage got with all of the mud from the race cars. Porcelain would be cool but I think I'd crack them. plus having a flat floor helps with rolling heavy tools/jacks and setting up suspensions.

Sorry for rambling but my head is spinning with the options. I'll shut up now...

Thanks in advance,

Tom
 
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Ok,

Long time lurker, time for a question.

I'm building a 45 x 65 garage.
Dividing wall at 25 ft.
work bay 25 x 45, storage bay 40 x 45.
Work bay 14 ft ceilings, storage probably 9.

The work bay will be mostly used on weekends but will see a lot of heavy use building/rebuilding/prepping off road race buggies, fixing daily drivers, etc. Tons of grinding, welding, cutting. Regular exposure to oils, trans fluid, brake fluid (and other hydraulic fluids), degreasers, carb cleaner, etc, etc. Heavy things will fairly frequently be dropped on it. Need ability to drag around jacks, tool boxes, lots of other tools I have mounted on wheels to keep them mobile.

Storage bay will be for storing cars, tractors, buggies, all of the parts/oils/etc it takes to keep everything running.

This is in eastern PA, temps range from sub zero to over 100. Floor will have radiant heat, plan to keep things 40-50 most of the time, supplemental heat to bring up the work bay temp when I'm in there working. First year or two, it may not have heat though. (need to decide outdoor woodburner vs coal vs ??)

Builder is coming over Friday to review things, hoping to break ground in the next month or so.

I've been doing lots of reading but my head is starting to spin. Previous garage I epoxied and it did well. I got the epoxy at an industrial coatings supplier in the area. 13 yrs later the floor was starting to wear through in spots in the work bay but it was heavily abused.

I'm considering going epoxy again DIY but the above supplier is now out of business and my wife isn't too thrilled about playing with muriatic acid again. Did etch only then, no grinding on floor. I think I gave it nearly a month to cure if I recall. I'm afraid I won't be able to find a good contractor if I try to hire it out (I live somewhat in the sticks) but my work schedule now is much crazier than when I built the last one though. Less time for extended diy projects.

What you you recommend for the work vs storage bays. Function is more important than looks. Lighter color to reflect light helps. Tough and chemical resistant is important. I know nothing will last forever if I abuse it but prefer something that doesn't need routine touch up/maintenance. I really don't think the garage tiles are what I'm looking for. I know how dirty the last garage got with all of the mud from the race cars. Porcelain would be cool but I think I'd crack them. plus having a flat floor helps with rolling heavy tools/jacks and setting up suspensions.

Sorry for rambling but my head is spinning with the options. I'll shut up now...

Thanks in advance,

Tom

First things first you will need to use a welding blanket if you are going to weld on coatings. Otherwise use a sealer.

I would consider a full broadcast flake or Quartz floor. You could do the flake over Rust Bullet --which does not require etching.

You could also just do four coats of the Rust Bullet product. Otherwise, grind, prime and a good 93-100% solids base coat followed by a top coat that will put up with what you do.

Lots of us out there to help you through it. Give me a call or send a pm anytime.
 

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Any coating system will be in trouble with the heavy welding/slag and dragging sharp objects. Major auto-service facilities, fire-houses, etc... use a double quartz broadcast with a urethane topcoat. It's a proven system.

If you are not wanting to do this yourself I have a friend in PA that does this for a living.
He is working at Penn State today, doing this very system, with our products.

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hbracerx

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Thanks for the reply guys. My apologies for not getting back to you sooner. A day or two after my post, the quote for the garage came in much higher than expected. The project eventually got put on hold until the spring when I can get a few more bids on the job. I also need to rethink a few options on the build that are driving up the price. I'm still going to need your help once things are going next year:) In the interim, I just signed off on a 24 x 40 pole building just to get some things under roof for the winter. I'm not even sure if I'll be able to get concrete done this year. I'm hoping for a warm December in PA. If I do, I probably won't have time to do much of anything with the concrete this season. It's basically just going to be for storage of cars and some parts. If time/budget allows, I wouldn't mind doing something to at least make it resist the oil drips a bit better. It probably won't see much in the way of hard use or traffic. It doesn't have to even look very pretty. Any thoughts?

We'll probably be breaking ground this week but not starting the building for about 7-8 weeks. I know... we'll need pics. It may take a bit but I'll try to post some up as I get them and time allows.

Tom
 
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Use a single coat of our SPGX coating. Runs about 30 cents per sq ft with Garage Journal discount.
 
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You can just apply with no prep but it's much better to at least power wash and etch or a light grind or sand. Better prep is always a better outcome.


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Looks interesting. What prep is needed to apply?

Tom


I'm giving SPGX a try. Just going etch and power wash. Going to etch and power wash on Thursday and apply two coats of SPGX next weekend (Sunday).

I have a small 18x24 shop and the floor is going to see some abuse working on my car resto (i.e., floor jack, jack stands, engine crane, mobile gantry crane, auto fluids, etc.). I'm interested to see how it holds up.
 
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Racerex: sounds good. Keep us updated on the progress. I'd be interested to see how it goes for you. Nice screen name, btw:)

Armorpoxy, do you recommend neutralizing the acid after etching or just flush thoroughly?

Tom
 
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Thanks for the reply guys. My apologies for not getting back to you sooner. A day or two after my post, the quote for the garage came in much higher than expected. The project eventually got put on hold until the spring when I can get a few more bids on the job. I also need to rethink a few options on the build that are driving up the price. I'm still going to need your help once things are going next year:) In the interim, I just signed off on a 24 x 40 pole building just to get some things under roof for the winter. I'm not even sure if I'll be able to get concrete done this year. I'm hoping for a warm December in PA. If I do, I probably won't have time to do much of anything with the concrete this season. It's basically just going to be for storage of cars and some parts. If time/budget allows, I wouldn't mind doing something to at least make it resist the oil drips a bit better. It probably won't see much in the way of hard use or traffic. It doesn't have to even look very pretty. Any thoughts?

We'll probably be breaking ground this week but not starting the building for about 7-8 weeks. I know... we'll need pics. It may take a bit but I'll try to post some up as I get them and time allows.

Tom

Tom:

We have a few options.

HD40 StainGuard to properly seal a new slab. No prep.
Nohr-S Polyurea. Single component, cold weather application, beast like resistance to everything. Etch or grind for prep.

Let us know if you need help.
 
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hbracerx

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Thanks for the replies. With any/all of these products, do I still have to wait a full month for cure prior to application? Will they need periodic re-application?

Tom
 

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Always do the plastic sheet moisture test. If it passes,, ok to coat. No product lasts forever and life span us based on usage an care. There really us no way to tell if future applications are needed, or when.
 

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Use a single coat of our SPGX coating. Runs about 30 cents per sq ft with Garge Journal discount.

What is SPGX? I mean specifically. Urethane, poly, epoxy or some other type of chemical? I read another thread that discussed antislip. Is that inherent to the product or an additive?
 
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Thanks for the info guys. I was just wondering if one choice would be more likely to need routine maintenance than the other, generally speaking.

Tom
 

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Here is a tip...
The more gloss you put on the floor, the more you will obsess over it.
Go with a low sheen product and put your head on the pillow with no added stress.
 

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Thanks for the info guys. I was just wondering if one choice would be more likely to need routine maintenance than the other, generally speaking.

Tom

Acrylic Finish -- High Maintenance, IMHO not for a working garage
Densifier & Penetrating Sealer (no sheen or film) -- VERY LOW Maintenance
Penetrating Urethane Sealer -- Lower Maintenance
Urethane clear coat -- Medium Maintenance
 
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Time for an update. Fortunately the weather in PA cooperated and stayed warm most of December. Unfortunately, it rained. Turned the site into a swamp most of the month, really hampering the build schedule. Then, when we finally were read for concrete, the temps dropped again. We had one day last month when it was warm enough to consider a pour but the builder required a signed waiver and I didn't have enough faith in the weather man... So I have 3/4 of the pole building, garage doors still need final adjustments, trim needs completing and I have 40 tons of gravel waiting to be put to use (which is keeping me from re-grading the area and eliminating the standing water:mad:).

Hopefully in the next month they can get back and do the concrete, finish the doors, trim, etc. Then I can spread the rest of the gravel, get the gutters installed and re-grade the area. Also have to tend to the bank out back which is washing down a bit more than I prefer. May ultimately need a retaining wall . Thankfully I left enough room behind the garage to get small equipment back there.

I did promise some pictures:

Breaking ground.

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Ran into a couple of these along the way:

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Building materials arrived:

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Making progress:

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Drying up, looking like a building:

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Almost there:

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Then came the rains...

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