Anyone own a modern lithium jumpstart battery pack?

Jacobson · Feb 18, 2016

I'm thinking of buying one of these. $80 for 400 amps, or $100 for 1000 amps.

Years ago I bought one of those heavier ones based on a lead-acid battery. It never held a charge for more than a month. After a while it wouldn't hold a charge at all, for any length of time. These lithium ones seem to be better in every way.

How do these modern ones compare to the old traditional jump packs like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Booster-PAC...hash=item35fa6f2ed1&item=231834857169&vxp=mtr

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B015TKUPIC/?tag=atomicindus08-20

RBFD415 · Feb 18, 2016

I heard good things about them, they would appear to be the way to go for passenger cars. However, I have the Dodge Ram Cummins Diesel, anybody know if they make one big enough for a diesel?

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LB-1911 · Feb 18, 2016

Maybe GSteg will chime in with a report-

GSteg said:
I have the NOCO GB30. It's a very nice unit and you can tell by holding it. It's not cheap plastic stuff like majority of the ones on the market. One thing that stands out is the clamps. It's heavier duty than most other clamps where others rely on plastic to handle the clamping load. Eventually they'll fail at the joint. I like the safety features built-in too.

Jacobson · Feb 18, 2016

RBFD415 said:
I heard good things about them, they would appear to be the way to go for passenger cars. However, I have the Dodge Ram Cummins Diesel, anybody know if they make one big enough for a diesel?

The Amazon page says
400 amps is for up to 4L gas
1000 amps is for up to 6L gas, or 3L diesel. $99
2000 amps is for up to 8L gas, or 6L diesel. $199

LB-1911 · Feb 18, 2016

RBFD415 said:
I heard good things about them, they would appear to be the way to go for passenger cars. However, I have the Dodge Ram Cummins Diesel, anybody know if they make one big enough for a diesel?

Two possibilities might be -

doojus said:
I just bought a microstart XP10 for my diesel truck, but I saw astro pneumatic came out with one that's got even more power, too late to swap it out though.

http://shop.antigravitybatteries.com/micro-start-xp-10/

http://www.astrotools.com/index.php...ter-power-supply-with-macbook-power-cord.html

The astro unit is $50 less

edit to add
MICRO-START XP-10 (STARTS DIESEL MOTORS)
http://themicrostart.com/products/micro-starts/xp10/

theoldwizard1 · Feb 18, 2016

There are a lot of them out there. It is hard to know which ones are good and which ones are junk.

Watch this video from a true skeptic : PRODUCT REVIEW: Rockford Pocket Power Jump Starter RFDPPJS2976DLX

Jacobson · Feb 18, 2016

Those 2 links are for 600amps, which can be had for $80.

That video by SouthMain is for a 200amp pack. That is no where in the league of the thing I posted (1000amps) and does not sound like it's suited for anything but lawn mowers. But, if you skip to 9:30, you will see the money shot.

Jacobson · Feb 18, 2016

How do these modern ones compare to the old traditional jump packs like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Booster-PAC...hash=item35fa6f2ed1&item=231834857169&vxp=mtr

Astro_Pneumatic_Tools · Feb 18, 2016

I'm not saying buy ours, it doesn't matter to me. But if you're talking above 700-800 amps in a micro jump-starter then there should really be some heavy usage of quotation marks going on.

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anndel · Feb 18, 2016

I bought a Winplus AC55386 from Costco for $50. I has 200-350A jump start capacity enough for up to 4.0L gas and maybe barely enough for a small diesel engine.

Jacobson · Feb 18, 2016

Chris, the weird part is that the price difference is negligible, so it doesn't seem worth getting the cheaper one. 1000 amps is $1000. 400 amps is like $70 to $80 anyway.

In the video, 200 amps was enough to crank a regular car.

Will a higher cranking rating help out in cold temps?

Astro_Pneumatic_Tools · Feb 18, 2016

Jacobson said:
Chris, the weird part is that the price difference is negligible, so it doesn't seem worth getting the cheaper one. 1000 amps is $100. 400 amps is like $70 to $80 anyway.

There's a reason. If I wanted to make our 7785 (650A) a real 1000A peak jumpstarter it would be a retail of around $290 and be almost twice the size. And that's using the latest space conservative stacked lithium ion polymer cells which legit micro jumper companies are moving away from and using the cylinder cell types like you'd find in a DeWalt or FUEL battery pack that won't experience thermal runaway after inflating and being exposed to oxygen.

If we just made our 7785 a $20 more expensive model we'd be able to up the battery capacity a little and peak amps maybe 50 or none. But hey, that's us. Maybe other brands with these crazy high numbers have a technology or a lithium battery plant making stuff that no one's heard of yet.

A healthy starter solenoid on a healthy engine on a temperate day may only draw 200a from the jumper, but as techs know things are often not ideal. The range you need is pretty expansive to cover everything.

I stopped developing new models of these because the marketplace is just silly. So I have no horse in this race, the competition can have it.

As you'll see in the next couple years, lithium battery (or even battery powered at all) jump starters will be old hat anyways.

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mrfrost05 · Feb 18, 2016

Bought my dad a noco gb70 for Christmas last year. Decided that I wanted to get him something that was engineered well and didn't have a ton of attachments like the cheap ones on Amazon. We just used it this Saturday on my brother in laws f250 7.3 diesel on Saturday. Was 12 degrees out and he killed his batteries because his glow plugs don't work. Fired it right off after the block heater was plugged in for a half hour. I was pretty impressed, that's a high displacement diesel....

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drinkdrivegotojail · Feb 18, 2016

I have had a few. All of them have done well and I gave away my inexpensive Schumacher jump box last time I changed jobs

The first was a PowerAll Deluxe, it worked well, it would jump a Lexus LX470 which was about the biggest jump we ever needed. I used it nearly daily, shared among my 8 lube techs. I left it under the seat of a truck I sold.

To replace it I bought a Rockford 8005. Again I use this a lot, every day. It is a little awkward with its "intelligent cable". It has a boost button that has jumped big block domestic cars multiple times. I melted the cable ends using the boost repeatedly and learned my lesson. I liked it enough to buy another, and bought a few for Christmas presents. I think I'll buy the heavy duty version down the road.

Hyde7278@yahoo.com · Feb 18, 2016

This is what I have the XP-10

http://themicrostart.com/products/micro-starts/

48548 · Feb 18, 2016

I am still waiting for the gb150 to come out before I buy one.

mrfrost05 · Feb 19, 2016

The gb150 is gong to be an absolute monster.

48548 · Feb 19, 2016

I was going to get the xp-10, but they won't warranty off of amazon as they said some are knock offs, so after that I am going with the gb150, should work better on my dmax.

LB-1911 · Feb 19, 2016

48548 said:
I am still waiting for the gb150 to come out before I buy one.

mrfrost05 said:
The gb150 is gong to be an absolute monster.

Interesting......

Pre-Order Available June 2016
https://no.co/gb150

MattPersman · Feb 20, 2016

I have the Matco one and it's likely made by cal van the 550 model. Jumped several diesel sprinters with it they are only 2.7-3.0 liters though. One of them had no belt and I drove it in the shop attached with no alternator help worked well enough for that.

WhiffySpark · Feb 20, 2016

I had the big Rockford one until it stopped charging. Traded it in for a battery charger because snapon isn't carrying them anymore. They developed their own model after the fiasco. But a charger suits me better at this time

Jacobson · Feb 20, 2016

GB150 seems like overkill unless you're starting the Titanic engines. $375.

48548 · Feb 20, 2016

WhiffySpark said:
I had the big Rockford one until it stopped charging. Traded it in for a battery charger because snapon isn't carrying them anymore. They developed their own model after the fiasco. But a charger suits me better at this time

I am using an optima 1200 charger and it works fine. I just wanted something to be able to take with me and carry on a trip or leave with my wife so I feel safer in case she has a dead battery.

theoldwizard1 · Feb 20, 2016

Astro_Pneumatic_Tools said:
I stopped developing new models of these because the marketplace is just silly. So I have no horse in this race, the competition can have it.

Smart !

Astro_Pneumatic_Tools said:
As you'll see in the next couple years, lithium battery (or even battery powered at all) jump starters will be old hat anyways.

Super caps or will engines be small enough to have a rope starter ?

Jeeper · Feb 20, 2016

Astro_Pneumatic_Tools said:
As you'll see in the next couple years, lithium battery (or even battery powered at all) jump starters will be old hat anyways.

I am curious about this quote too. Would like to hear your vision.

Jacobson · Feb 20, 2016

$50 for 350a. Deal
http://tools.woot.com/offers/jump-starters-your-choice-12?utm_source=wootappatlanta&utm_medium=share

AirJunky · Feb 20, 2016

Jacobson said:
$50 for 350a. Deal
http://tools.woot.com/offers/jump-starters-your-choice-12?utm_source=wootappatlanta&utm_medium=share

But what are the chances that 350a will turn over your car/truck engine? Aren't most batteries at least 500a?

chris142 · Feb 20, 2016

I bought a jump n go. It blew up 3 weeks ago and it's been recalled. Hooked it up and turned the key and blam!

ProCharger · Feb 20, 2016

I have an Antigravity XP-10. Did a test run with it on my 5.7L toyota tundra. Unhooked the battery terminal, hooked the clamps directly to the battery cables and started the truck on the pack alone. I was impressed.

kctyphoon · Feb 20, 2016

I've said plenty of times that Milwaukee should make a jump pack that can use 2 or 4 of the M18 red lithium packs.. Have them stack just like they do on the multi bay charger, but instead of having pack number 5 & 6 opposite each other on the narrow ends - use that space house and store the jump cables..

** Patent Pending

Ign · Feb 20, 2016

My Rockford started a '98 Ram 360 that was dead-dead (left in Accy for 5 days) no problem. To be fair, the truck has lived a HARD, HARD 221k and surely has low compression.

Jacobson · Feb 22, 2016

The NOCO jumper cables are 8AWg. Is that sufficient?

cgds92 · Feb 22, 2016

Ive jump started my straight 8 41 Packard with my antigravity batteries one. Its nice that its small enough to keep in the glove box, has a built in flashlight, and usb cables to charge phones.

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sk farmer · Feb 22, 2016

ProCharger said:
I have an Antigravity XP-10. Did a test run with it on my 5.7L toyota tundra. Unhooked the battery terminal, hooked the clamps directly to the battery cables and started the truck on the pack alone. I was impressed.

i have one of these as well and it works great. i have used it more for charging cell phones but why not.

my craftsman heated jacket plugs into it as well. i wonder how long it would power it? :pimpflash

Ed ke6bnl · Feb 22, 2016

I want to get one that would be able to start my 5.9 cummins diesel 24 valve. I am thinking that a 600 peak amps would do it. BUT don't know I can just trust the seller alone without hearing from someone that been there done that.

Jsf721 · Feb 22, 2016

We have 26 foot hino trucks at work. These small ones won't turn it over. We use rescue packs. Agm batteries. I have jumped 4 tricks rapid fire not issue and it still fully Charged.

RBFD415 said:
I heard good things about them, they would appear to be the way to go for passenger cars. However, I have the Dodge Ram Cummins Diesel, anybody know if they make one big enough for a diesel?

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kctyphoon · Feb 22, 2016

Ed ke6bnl said:
I want to get one that would be able to start my 5.9 cummins diesel 24 valve. I am thinking that a 600 peak amps would do it. BUT don't know I can just trust the seller alone without hearing from someone that been there done that.

I highly doubt it would, unless these new packs are a world of improvement over a standard jump pack.. I don't own ay of those lithium packs, but the compression in the diesel is way too high for a regular 600 "peak" amp jump pack.. Anything that says "Peak Amps" is marketing.. The actual amperage is half that... I have a 95 f350 with the 7.3 powerstroke, and my "900 Peak Amp" platinum diehard jump pack won't even budge the thing if it's dead.. I have the 900 peak diehard, and a 600 peak stanely.. I can put one on each battery and it still won't start if it's really dead..

Mine might be worse that yours, cause the Cummins is a 6 cylinder and mine is an 8 - but the only pack I'd buy, learning from my last purchase, is that 1000 amp (actual amp) jump pack from CAT that's sold in HD for $150
http://www.homedepot.com/p/CAT-1000-Amp-Pro-Portable-Jump-Starter-CJ3000/205431815

I honestly can't see getting away from a large pack for a big Diesel engine, but as I said, I don't own a new lithium pack, and I've been wrong before.

Just throwing this out there - 900 peak amp = 450 amp pack.. My truck takes 2 batteries, I think each one is 750 or 850 amps.. 17:1 compression doesn't turn easily..

zkling · Feb 22, 2016

ProCharger said:
I have an Antigravity XP-10. Did a test run with it on my 5.7L toyota tundra. Unhooked the battery terminal, hooked the clamps directly to the battery cables and started the truck on the pack alone. I was impressed.

That's not a real good idea for the system.

Hyde7278@yahoo.com · Feb 22, 2016

Ed ke6bnl said:
I want to get one that would be able to start my 5.9 cummins diesel 24 valve. I am thinking that a 600 peak amps would do it. BUT don't know I can just trust the seller alone without hearing from someone that been there done that.

I've jump a few cummins when I worked at the dealership with my anti gravity XP-10

ddewey78 · Feb 23, 2016

I have a die hard 400 amp one, it was a black Friday fdeal for like $59.99. Wasn't expecting much, maybe jump the generator in my motorhome, or a dirt bike with dead battery. To my surprise it has jumpedmy GMC Sonoma with a 4.3 v6. But it's also started my v10 motorhome. Took a while, 4-5 minutes, did the same thing to a 6.6l duramax.

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