The 320 yard pour begins

4 FN 27 · Aug 18, 2016

After 8 years of a recycle driveway I have decided it is time for a little Concrete. Tired of the dust, plowing/blowing dirt in the winter, it is time.

They started grading this morning and plan the first pour for Monday morning as long as the weather holds.

4500 psi mix, 6 inches, rebar tied on 2 x 2 centers. Should be an interesting next couple of weeks.

Rookie2 · Aug 18, 2016

sweet ! Can I borrow a few million ? lol

green.bubbly · Aug 18, 2016

I think you will enjoy that.

Nice building. Is the front living area?

4 FN 27 · Aug 18, 2016

green.bubbly said:
I think you will enjoy that.

Nice building. Is the front living area?

Yes I will.

No that is my office away from the office. A quiet place to hang my hat, get a cup of coffee, relax and solve the worlds fabrication problems. The other side of the building is where we test the solutions...LOL...

383 · Aug 18, 2016

Congrats on getting the concrete work done, but I am more interested in your office area. It is beautiful, I would love to see more pics.

What did you use on the floor? I am currently finishing my basement to look like the inside of an old barn (build thread here http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=329978) and am still trying to decide what to do on the concrete floor.

M6erfan · Aug 18, 2016

Very nice!

rjacobs · Aug 19, 2016

What kind of base are they putting down? Or concrete right over the graded dirt?

4 FN 27 · Aug 19, 2016

rjacobs said:
What kind of base are they putting down? Or concrete right over the graded dirt?

The base is recycled concrete and asphalt. Minimum 12" deep. I have a few sand veins on the property crisscrossing the driveway so we went heavy on the base so during the freeze cycle the sand and clay can shift and the base will help keep the concrete from moving around. Where there was sand we gouged it out deep and added more base. That was 8 years or 8 freeze cycles ago so it should be pretty well set.

James E · Aug 19, 2016

Dayum. Just, dayum.

I can't wait to see how it turns out and I wouldn't mind some pics of the interior of the shop.

4 FN 27 · Aug 19, 2016

383 said:
Congrats on getting the concrete work done, but I am more interested in your office area. It is beautiful, I would love to see more pics.

What did you use on the floor? I am currently finishing my basement to look like the inside of an old barn (build thread here http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=329978) and am still trying to decide what to do on the concrete floor.

The office area was done out of all reclaimed wood. The floor is oak from an 1881 warehouse. The walls are fir and so are the ceiling timbers.

The floor is glued to the concrete. Wish I had put joists in, sub floor and then laid the millwork on top so the floor would squeak when you walk on it. The Walls were first skinned with 5/8 plywood then tar papered and cover with the fir strips. This way I can put anything on the walls anywhere without having to find a stud.

The ceiling is reclaimed corrugated from a 1931 pole shed. It had the perfect patina.

I'll see if I can get some better pics this afternoon.

Purchased all the product from these guys:

http://www.mrtimbers.com/

LXCam · Aug 19, 2016

Damn, I'm going to have to turn over my crown. When I poured mine it was a 7 sack mix, 6" deep. But I only dumped 250 yards of mud.

Congrats, you have a gorgeous place and this will really make a huge difference keeping it all cleaned up. Can't wait to see the finished product!

Arps · Aug 19, 2016

Wow, nice place.

4 FN 27 · Aug 19, 2016

LXCam said:
Damn, I'm going to have to turn over my crown. When I poured mine it was a 7 sack mix, 6" deep. But I only dumped 250 yards of mud.

Congrats, you have a gorgeous place and this will really make a huge difference keeping it all cleaned up. Can't wait to see the finished product!

Crown???...I need my head examined.

And based on my Cad Model from the survey firm I only think they are off 100 yards. It should be 410-420. Had the conversation with the contactor and he says he trusts his wheel more than a computer. So at least the labor is locked in my favor. I am paying for the Crete direct so that will sting a bit. But hey I am just trying to be fair. But if he trusts his wheel and tape more than technology and gets me a better price it is game on.

Arps said:
Wow, nice place.

Thank you...been 25 + years in the making...

Bigbandguy · Aug 19, 2016

Looks like you tore down an entire barn for that office wall and floor. That is a serious lot of wood... how was it finished?

Heel2toe · Aug 19, 2016

Just curious why concrete vs asphalt? I'd imagine asphalt would be significantly more affordable...either way looks like a sweet setup and wish you luck with everything!

SALIV8 · Aug 19, 2016

what a beautiful place!

ddawg16 · Aug 19, 2016

Heel2toe said:
Just curious why concrete vs asphalt? I'd imagine asphalt would be significantly more affordable...either way looks like a sweet setup and wish you luck with everything!

Even I can answer that one....

1. It wouldn't last as long as concrete

2. Heavy equipment would tear it up unless significant work was done to the sub-grade.

3. Winters would destroy it in no time

4. Wouldn't look as good...without concrete curbs, the sides would not have a finished look

5. I wouldn't want to have to lay on it to crawl under a veh.

Vette10R · Aug 19, 2016

That's going to look great Pat congrats!!

Zeke · Aug 19, 2016

I hope there is a connector in back so you can race go-karts round and round.

Heel2toe · Aug 19, 2016

Responses below

ddawg16 said:
Even I can answer that one....

1. It wouldn't last as long as concrete

Sure, but if it only lasts twice as long and costs 4x then is that really a benifit?

2. Heavy equipment would tear it up unless significant work was done to the sub-grade.

Fair enough and a valid reason hence why I asked the question bc I wasn't sure if that was a concern. Personally I don't have heavy equipment in my driveway often...

3. Winters would destroy it in no time

Similar to your first comment but Im calling BS on this one. its funny bc I've lived in MA my whole life so I guess everyone with an asphalt driveway is silly. Concrete can heave just like asphalt. Its all about the subgrade. And once again maybe it'll last longer but how much longer? Does the economics make sense? IDK

4. Wouldn't look as good...without concrete curbs, the sides would not have a finished look

Your opinion. I prefer the look of asphalt on a driveway...

5. I wouldn't want to have to lay on it to crawl under a veh.

Your opinion again. I don't want to crawl under a vehicle regardless. That's why I put in a lift

4 FN 27 · Aug 19, 2016

Heel2toe said:
Just curious why concrete vs asphalt? I'd imagine asphalt would be significantly more affordable...either way looks like a sweet setup and wish you luck with everything!

This is close...

ddawg16 said:
Even I can answer that one....

1. It wouldn't last as long as concrete

2. Heavy equipment would tear it up unless significant work was done to the sub-grade.

3. Winters would destroy it in no time

4. Wouldn't look as good...without concrete curbs, the sides would not have a finished look

5. I wouldn't want to have to lay on it to crawl under a veh.

The real reason: Asphalt was invented to keep Base dry. Concrete was invented to drive on...LOL....

I don't like asphalt and I don't love concrete. Concrete is the clean end of the turd in my opinion. Asphalt in the baking sun is a problem with those who swing by with a trailer in tow and drive half a circle and stop. 30 minutes later the asphalt is all heaved up where their tires are or people turning without rolling...and those who can't stay on the driveway, rolling the edges.

If they built bridges from Asphalt I might reconsider. But right now Crete wins.

Heel2toe · Aug 19, 2016

Thank you for the response without being condescending. Concrete is certainly more durable so given your requirements that makes perfect sense. Good luck excited to see how it turns out. I bet you're very excited!

4 FN 27 · Aug 19, 2016

Bigbandguy said:
Looks like you tore down an entire barn for that office wall and floor. That is a serious lot of wood... how was it finished?

Panoramic photo makes it look bigger than it is. Roughly 955 square feet of skip planed Antique Oak Flooring. 1385 square feet of Douglas Fir and 130 sq ft of "randoms"...

Floor was 2 coats of Polyurethane satin. Walls Linseed Oil, 2 coats.

4 FN 27 · Aug 19, 2016

Heel2toe said:
Thank you for the response without being condescending. Concrete is certainly more durable so given your requirements that makes perfect sense. Good luck excited to see how it turns out. I bet you're very excited!

Heel2toe said:
Thank you for the response without being condescending.

I am taller than that if you get what I mean. Humor and whit or is it wit?

Heel2toe said:
Concrete is certainly more durable so given your requirements that makes perfect sense. Good luck excited to see how it turns out. I bet you're very excited!

My requirements really aren't what you maybe thinking. I have a few tractors, nothing big and a few trailers again nothing big. But Concrete has always been in the plan. I didn't even get a bid on Asphalt.

I am excited but at the same time a little apprehensive as winter approaches and I have to get everything back filled and seeded before winter...and this is the time of the year I start working 10-16 hours a day 6-7 days a week until march and then I am back to a 60 hour week. Owning a business is really fun...but we will have to see how it works out. Might be time to hire in one of my best buds who owns a landscaping company...but I don't like the thought of missing out on trying to run the Bobcat/Backhoe while trying enjoy a beer.

4 FN 27 · Aug 19, 2016

Zeke said:
I hope there is a connector in back so you can race go-karts round and round.

LOL...no go carts but we do ride vintage sleds from my place...even at -15°.

PurdueSD · Aug 19, 2016

Curious if you received any sort of price break for the sheer volume... I have a long gravel drive that i will probably have done in sections, spaced a couple years apart.

Also curioious why you went 6" thick? Maybe its a colder climate thing...?

Heel2toe · Aug 19, 2016

4 FN 27 said:
I am taller than that if you get what I mean. Humor and whit or is it wit?

My requirements really aren't what you maybe thinking. I have a few tractors, nothing big and a few trailers again nothing big. But Concrete has always been in the plan. I didn't even get a bid on Asphalt.

I am excited but at the same time a little apprehensive as winter approaches and I have to get everything back filled and seeded before winter...and this is the time of the year I start working 10-16 hours a day 6-7 days a week until march and then I am back to a 60 hour week. Owning a business is really fun...but we will have to see how it works out. Might be time to hire in one of my best buds who owns a landscaping company...but I don't like the thought of missing out on trying to run the Bobcat/Backhoe while trying enjoy a beer.

Haha I was never an English guy but Im picking up what you're putting down

Well, Im rooting for you! You have a few months to go but a lot of work ahead of you. On that note quit talking to me and get on it! And yes, beer and bobcat for sure. You're on your own property so what's the worst that could happen!? Just steer clear of the building literally and figuratively...

4 FN 27 · Aug 19, 2016

PurdueSD said:
Curious if you received any sort of price break for the sheer volume... I have a long gravel drive that i will probably have done in sections, spaced a couple years apart.

Also curioious why you went 6" thick? Maybe its a colder climate thing...?

Yes I got better pricing. I had them bid on it. It helps that the company I am having supply the Crete, the former owners sponsored my racing operation. And they to a certain extent have some pull or are in a position to help me out. I committed from the beginning when we broke ground for the house that I would buy all my Crete from them. Took me a few years longer than planned but I think we are approaching close to 800 or more yards. I'd have to do the math.

6 Inches??? I hate cracks so my opinion is go thicker, this puts the rebar deeper in the Concrete, cut the stress reliefs deeper and place the rebar so it never lands parallel within 12 inches of the saw cuts. Maximum size 12 x 12 pad between saw cuts. Now it is a pain in the **** to tie rebar in a grid that works out with sawing but it worth the time and investment.

In our manufacturing building we built 16 years ago we have very few cracks using this method. Only thing different is we saw cut on 15 foot centers here.

I have one room 90 x 90 feet that is 12 inches of concrete with 2 layers of rebar tied on 2 foot centers. Under that is an 18 inch sand cushion. Have 7 machines hammering all day and most of the night, up to 30 tons of force per hit at 270 hits per minute and I cannot feel it in my office less than 100 feet away. Thick is good.

PurdueSD · Aug 19, 2016

Awesome! I don't think I've ever seen a non commercial drive poured thicker than 4" So I was just curious.

I agree with your asphault sentiments, I had asphalt at my old place and you can freaking have it. It *****, not as bad a the gravel i have now i guess though...hah!

4 FN 27 · Aug 19, 2016

Heel2toe said:
On that note quit talking to me and get on it!

First pour isn't until Monday weather permitting. This is the first time in months I have had an easy Friday...thus taking in GJ. Answered a few tech questions in other areas/some PM's and did a bunch of reading learning few more tricks for my bag...

Now I think I will restart my computer so it is fresh in the am and head home and tinker in the shop. Need a new Stainless Oil Collection System for my funnels and misc parts that need to drip off...that is what I will work on next...be 2 weeks of no driving on the driveway so I had better have a few things to play with.

LXCam · Aug 19, 2016

4 FN 27 said:
Crown???...I need my head examined....

I did my drive in early 2000. I can't even begone to tell you how many people are incapable of backing out of it even though there's a multitude of turn around spots. Anyhow my joke has always been I have the worlds biggest driveway (ya, I know - delusional) and no one can navigate it.

As for the pour, after reading your responses and experiences I got way more faith in your estimate. How are they going to scred it, form and scred or are you bring in a laser scred set up. I really wish I hadn't decided to do all the stamped ribon work and just formed the perimeter and called in my buddies outfit to dump it all in a day. Instead it took me several months to complete it all.

Olafur · Aug 19, 2016

Beautiful place, I love it!
It will be interesting to see how it looks with concrete drive.

I sure hope you can enjoy it - I mean not all business (I read your work schedule) but plenty of pleasure as well. :thumbup:

mustangmike6996 · Aug 19, 2016

Wow, that office away from the office is beautiful

4 FN 27 · Aug 22, 2016

All formed up and ready for day 1. Wouldn't you know it, the best most perfect day to pour and the Concrete Plant goes down.

They are working on it but we are looking like tomorrow morning 7 am.

383 · Aug 22, 2016

good luck tomorrow, it will be worth the wait.

LXCam · Aug 22, 2016

Ohhhhhh BOY, exciting stuff right there!. Good luck tomorrow.

Pinhook · Aug 22, 2016

What spacing for control and construction joints ?

4 FN 27 · Aug 23, 2016

60 Yards down this morning. 46 this afternoon...looks like rain tomorrow...

NUTTSGT · Aug 23, 2016

4 FN 27 said:
Crown???...I need my head examined.

And based on my Cad Model from the survey firm I only think they are off 100 yards. It should be 410-420. Had the conversation with the contactor and he says he trusts his wheel more than a computer. So at least the labor is locked in my favor. I am paying for the Crete direct so that will sting a bit. But hey I am just trying to be fair. But if he trusts his wheel and tape more than technology and gets me a better price it is game on.

If he figures 320, you figure 420 and are willing to pay for the extra 100 yards right now, if you don't need it, can you send half of it my way ? Somebody else can have the other 50 yards. :drool:

The place looks great and keeps getting better all the time. :thumbup:

bowhuntr311 · Aug 23, 2016

Looking pretty good. Hopefully you can get it all poured and cured. 8 Years for the base...I'd think its as settled as its gonna get.

What part of the state are you in?

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