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Well,
I think this is the correct place for this :headscrat

As some may have seen in the tools section (Blasting Booth) that I've started a build of a '38 Ford Pickup.
This will be a little different, as it is to be widened, a dual cab & with the front doors being lengthed. (about 6" at this stage ??)
It's sole purpose of this Truck/Pickup is for it to be used as a daily driver, tow our low trailer (which it too is going to be another rebuild :wtf: getting extended & closed in) & the Pickup will attend all the swap meets we go to.

This is the main cab after being blasted & treated so it won't rust.
I prefer to work in raw steel, so the extra work is worth it if it is a long term project.

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In this shot, you can see some of the bracing needed to not only support the cab when the cuuting starts, but also to set it at the channelled height.

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A few cuts here & we have the cowl section sitting roughly in place.
Channelled 4" & widened 6" (at this stage :headscrat:headscrat)

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Cowl vent dummied up in place

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I've managed to get the wind out windscreen to partcially work, as the cowl vent. I plan on using both.

You will see why I've done the cuts where they are later.
Tomorrow is another day, so hopefully a little more progress.
This will be a long term build, so please consider that I run a shop generally working 7 days a weeeks at the best of times, so I'll fit in the work where I can.

To rewind a little:

The chassis is a 39/40 Truck one, that I bought complete (Flat head & all)
This also gives me some patch panels & doors.
Here she is before being striped.

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Then I bought a Jail Bar cab, but with the 3 beaded doors in it.
The door jams are the same, so the will also come in handy (the rest of theccab was pretty sad)

Then I bought an old Fairlane (302 Clevo, C10 & 9") So it will donate all this for the Pickup.

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Looking good Rod. This project is going to be intersting to watch. I have to ask why you are keeping the cowl vent as in most trucks they are a rust location. I filled mine and used the extra space underdash for an Air Con Heater system. What do you hope to gain from widening the cab ? I can see it will look good with a chopped top.

Keep posting the progress as this looks interesting. :thumbup:
 
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I'd love to see you stuff in person but I'm afraid you would be mopping up all my drool.
 

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Rocket, I've been thinking about the same thing for a '37-'52 cab as far as widening and lengthening it, might even go crew cab with it.
 
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Looking good Rod. This project is going to be intersting to watch.
I have to ask why you are keeping the cowl vent as in most trucks they are a rust location. I filled mine and used the extra space underdash for an Air Con Heater system.
Because of just that!! (Everyone fills them in :headscrat)
I will still have enough room for air cond. etc
I'm even retaining the opening front screen :thumbup:
I want to keep as much '38 stuff as possible.

What do you hope to gain from widening the cab ?

ROOM :bounce:......................& a lot of extra work :(
Also when I photo shopped the idea, it didn't look any good as a dual/crew cab as it was to narrow. When I added a bit of width, it started to 'look' right.

I can see it will look good with a chopped top.

Nope! No chop
Just a 4" channel.
It will look chopped by the time it is widened & the front doors are lengthened.

Keep posting the progress as this looks interesting. :thumbup:

Errrrrrrrr I would say (being polite that is........different !!)

Todays progress :
(in between an emergency repair of next doors fork lift :()

A bit more cutting and we have the rear down and almost in place.
The width of the rear will be determined by the curvature of the doors, so a lot of tweaking there :(:(

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When I said Dual Cab, that means a crew cab in your terms, so as you can see it will be long.

We have 302 Clevelands here by the ton.
The are a standard engine as are the 351 C, 289 Windsor & 302 Windsor of course there are others like the not so common 351 Windsor.
The Boss motor is a Windsor Block (but with 1/2" studs) & with Clevo heads and a different inlet manifold. Not worth doing these days, with the good aftermarket heads that are available for Windsors
So a standard motor, trans & 9" diff (nothing special there)

A visit & offer of :beer: Your on :bounce::bounce: (maybe you'd better just stay over :thumbup:

2 Days off & a busy short week ahead, so not much may happen this week.
I also managed to blast more doors and some bits I cut out of another cab today, so it is all adding to getting this thing happening.

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Nope! No chop
Just a 4" channel.
It will look chopped by the time it is widened & the front doors are lengthened.
I should have worded it with a chop it would look RADICAL. I can see now no chop.

A visit & offer of :beer: Your on :bounce::bounce: (maybe you'd better just stay over :thumbup:
I just said I would stop by but well a beer would be good. I miss that SA beer.

Looking good.:thumbup:
 
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I should have worded it with a chop it would look RADICAL. I can see now no chop.
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Radical would be right :thumbup: but I'm trying for a suttle look & plenty of room. I expect to be doing plenty of miles in her, so some things are a must.......like vision & it being large enough to tow comfortably.

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I just said I would stop by but well a beer would be good. I miss that SA beer.

Spose I just saw the beer smilies & figured thats what you ment.
You can have a cuppa if you'd prefer :lol_hitti


Looking good.:thumbup:

Thanks, a long way to go mate :shocking::shocking:

(I just added a little more info to my last post)

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Wow... I guess I'd have widened the cab THEN cut it apart to do the crew cab thing... but you look like you have the moxy to pull it off. It certainly will be pretty cool when done.

I have a '56 F100 that's chopped and the wheelbase is shortened.... you can sice 'em and dice any way you want.

Keep us updated.... are you a member of the HAMB? This would fit right in over there, too.
 

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Rocket,

Your idea of the Crew cab reminded me of this concept drawing I had for my F4.
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I intended to open the doors like the Ford Super cab / Mazda Coupe.
Then when I went with the Cummins the Sleeper cab looked more the part and gave me the room to seat 4 people.
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I can understand the need to tow with comfort ( that is one thing I needed :thumbup:). Do you intend to add electric brakes, cruise control etc. ? What about fuel ? Will it be on LPG ?
If you missed it my truck is here on the forum via this link -
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10871

You sure do have a long way to go. Having spent so looooooong on mine I can appreciate what I see.
 
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Rocket,
I can understand the need to tow with comfort ( that is one thing I needed :thumbup:).
Do you intend to add electric brakes,

I already run electric brakes on my trailer, so this will be a must.
(I love electric brakes & would never change back :):))
Personally I would prefer to be also building a 5th wheeler for this, but one stepat a time :thumbup:

cruise control etc. ?

Yes !:bounce::bounce:

What about fuel ? Will it be on LPG ?

I was, until I found out I would get a rebate on the purchase because it doesn't have rego.:headscrat:headscrat
Now the thought is to set it up with old LPG tanks on petrol to get it on the road & at some stage (when I can afford it) to convert it.At least the tank mounts would be done & the rest would be easy.If it happens.
I really wanted a V8 Diesel, but the cost of the motor alone soon stopped that idea.:mad:

You sure do have a long way to go. Having spent so looooooong on mine I can appreciate what I see.

Yes, scarey isn't it..........& I just can't really spare the time either at the moment :(:(
 

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I already run electric brakes on my trailer, so this will be a must.
(I love electric brakes & would never change back :):))
Personally I would prefer to be also building a 5th wheeler for this, but one stepat a time :thumbup:
I agree with the brakes and the 5th wheel idea. Sadly my trailer can not be changed and my other truck is to high off the ground to accept a 5th wheel.
So I have to stick with what I have. Mind you the tow bar I got for the F4 is rated to tow over 4ton.

I was, until I found out I would get a rebate on the purchase because it doesn't have rego.:headscrat:headscrat
Now the thought is to set it up with old LPG tanks on petrol to get it on the road & at some stage (when I can afford it) to convert it.At least the tank mounts would be done & the rest would be easy.If it happens.
I really wanted a V8 Diesel, but the cost of the motor alone soon stopped that idea.:mad:
I have some inside info that may help you with the LPG rebate. I am working on mine once it has rego. Put it on LPG whilst you are building it. Incorporate all your wiring into the loom. I can tell you it will be easier now than a conversion later. Email me if you want advise or better still you could call me. I have been going to write to ASR about this as I have some good connections that can help with how and what you need to do to apply for the LPG rebate. That $2000-00 rebate will help you. :wtf: V8 Diesel :wtf: V8 Diesel ?
Have a look at these.......
1942 International. http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=XDzDZReuLGw&feature=related
1947 Ford.
Chev.


Yes, scarey isn't it..........& I just can't really spare the time either at the moment :(:(
It will happen. :thumbup: I think my F4 has taken well over 6 years.
 

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That Beige ride above is awesome -as is yours. GREAT WORK! Looking forward to seeing this progress, you must know your way around metal fab!
BTW - what DId you use to cut that?
 
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Well I'll beef hooked :bounce:
I got an email from someone else just minutes ago with pic's of the exact same COE.
I have seen this before, but thanks anyway.

Yes, V8 Diesel was the plan :(:(:(

I have a mate over here (in S.A.) that is a licenced LPG installer (also another TAC Delegate) & have found I can't even do the install :mad:

Also the Department have previously not passed a Rod that was set up for LPG, but it wasn't fitted. They didn't like the extra lines under there (wallys if you ask me, but I have this first hand :headscrat)

I'm not aware of any way around the problem, as in S.A. you have to have the installer fill out the paper work for you to get the rebate.
 

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Rocket,

I emailed you that link. As for the LPG I have made connection with
www.lpgaustralia.com.au www.lpgautogas.com.au and they are now well aware of the Street Rod Industry and how some regs with the LPG rebate affect us differently to the main stream rebate. I can assure you I can offer you information that will help.

You need to find an installer that will let you set it up but let them do all the work that they have to do in the fit up according to the regulations. There is nothing to say you can not fit up the tanks and convertor etc. Have them sign it off before you register it and you should get the rebate.

OK :thumbup: Rod, you know how to find me if you want me to explain more.
 
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Rocket,

I emailed you that link.

No mate, a friend of mine (Bill Jensen....You might know him) emailed it to me as well.
As for the LPG I have made connection with
www.lpgaustralia.com.au www.lpgautogas.com.au and they are now well aware of the Street Rod Industry and how some regs with the LPG rebate affect us differently to the main stream rebate. I can assure you I can offer you information that will help.

Thanks........Been there done that too (sorry!)

You need to find an installer that will let you set it up but let them do all the work that they have to do in the fit up according to the regulations. There is nothing to say you can not fit up the tanks and convertor etc. Have them sign it off before you register it and you should get the rebate.

Well according to the bloke I know, the whole lot must be done by a licenced installer )but then again he could just be pushing for all of the work, but knowing him ,as he's pretty much by the book, that is why he is saying this.

Not sue if I've mentioned it before, but I was talking about this same thing today with some one & I suggested to him that I just mount the tanks (old LPG ones, converted to Petrol) and the rest would be easy later anyway.
Your suggestion of adding the wiring as well would be a good idea:headscrat

I'm now running out of room pretty quick, so I may not have the room to do as planned anyway. Another **** it and see I spose :dunno: :dunno:
:dunno: :dunno:
OK :thumbup: Rod, you know how to find me if you want me to explain more.

Be very carfull of offering that kind of help mate :thumbup:

Thanks :beer::beer:
 

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No mate, a friend of mine (Bill Jensen....You might know him) emailed it to me as well.
Yes I know of Bill. He is a keen COE fellow. :thumbup:

Well according to the bloke I know, the whole lot must be done by a licenced installer )but then again he could just be pushing for all of the work, but knowing him ,as he's pretty much by the book, that is why he is saying this.
That is why I offered you the connections so you can ask for yourself.
I think your installer is just trying to do the lot. Shop around.

Be very carfull of offering that kind of help mate :thumbup:
Thanks :beer::beer:
All I would give you is the contacts for the LPG people so they can help you.
Offer still stands as I am on track to get the LPG rebate once mine is finished.
No Skin of my nose ( or egg on the face :lol_hitti ). I will be talking again today to ASR about more info that will help others like yourself.

I have emailed you some info that may or may not help you.
 
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Yes I know of Bill. He is a keen COE fellow. :thumbup:


That is why I offered you the connections so you can ask for yourself.
I think your installer is just trying to do the lot. Shop around.


All I would give you is the contacts for the LPG people so they can help you.
Offer still stands as I am on track to get the LPG rebate once mine is finished.
No Skin of my nose ( or egg on the face :lol_hitti ). I will be talking again today to ASR about more info that will help others like yourself.

I have emailed you some info that may or may not help you.

Thanks for the emails today mate (I really appreciate your effort in trying to help :bounce::bounce:)
 
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Well,
Been extreeeeeemely busy at work, so not much progress I'm affraid.
I have managed to find a bonnet (hood for you others :)) and some sides.
They aren't in too bad a nick, just with the usual dents, but pretty rust free.
No catches, hinges etc but they could be available new anyway.
I've now blasted them & I managed to treat the bonnet tonight before coming home.
Not a good time to be starting a new progect, but If I can keep collecting bits and doing little jobs, at least I'm getting some where (be it only slowly)

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A little more progress.
Last weekend I managed a bit of time (between all the work :wtf:) to dummy up the front with a set of old guards/fenders.
The front sheet metal is still sitting at normal height, so If I do go ahead with the channel it will need to be lowered the 4" that same as the cab.

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Today after a good mornings work & the finishing off of a chassis for a customer
(a quick pic of it here ready to leave)

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I also managed to do a little more to the shop truck.
A bit of cutting here & there, some tack welding & hey! an extended door.
I would have prfeered to only have the one weld by cutting two doors to make the longer one, but as I only have 6 doors & I require other parts for the rear doors, this was not possible, so 2 welds it is.

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A late start today (well it is Sunday & we had friends over last night :beer: )

Inside of the dirvers door

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Got to cutting the passengers door in half, cut up another door for the bits, blast it all, then weld it up.

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Of course once the doors are solid again then I'll do the repair work on the rusty sections (that's ages away :()

Hung the door & now I'm working on the centre pillars & rear doors.
Also looking at the over all curviture of the body, so I've now widened the rear of the cab another 4" so now a total of 10" wider at the back :headscrat
it seems to suit, but I won't know where every thing will end up until I get some more setting up done.
Bit of a blurry pic I know, but I was hang'n to knock off and get home for a beer :thumbup:

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A little more:
Spent today setting up the door jams.
Not a fun job :(:( but it has to be done right from the word go!
Front door jams are now tacked in place with bracing.(Notice above the door tops. They where done with only one join. A nice flowing line if I say so myself :thumbup:) Gapping the doors at this time is also very important.
The door tops them selves will also have to have relief cuts to align them up & add the bit missing.

I have also cut the lower section of jams with the hinges for the rear doors.
Very tight there, seeing as though I want narrow centre pillars & they have to take not only the hinges, but the front door latches too :confused: No room to spare, but all should fit.....Just :bounce:

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Also to align the rear jams, relief cuts had to be made in the roof to square up the back of the cab. Also cuts in the internal bracing (both what I put in there & factory) to allow the pillars to twist.
Doesn't realy show the amount of work, but they had to be turned out to line up with the centre pillars & so I would end up with a flowing line part the rear door (other wise the panels would have had a dip in them) Look at the gap in the roof,

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Lucky you sell those weld mates. You sure used enough of them to widen that door.

Funny you should mention that Simon.
Most of mine where being used on other jobs, so I had to walk the 10 feet to go & grab a few extra packets from the store room :thumbup:

Do you intend to keep the glass in the door stock with 1/4 vent windows or make them one piece glass ?

The glass will be stock, well look stock, so it will all be one piece in both doors.(38 Beer Barrels are one piece)
The rear doors are the 39/40 commercial ones, so they did have 1/4 vent windows, but they will not be going back in as I wish to keep as much looking like 38 as possible.
 

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Funny you should mention that Simon.
Most of mine where being used on other jobs, so I had to walk the 10 feet to go & grab a few extra packets from the store room :thumbup:
:lol_hitti :thumbup:


The glass will be stock, well look stock, so it will all be one piece in both doors.(38 Beer Barrels are one piece)
The rear doors are the 39/40 commercial ones, so they did have 1/4 vent windows, but they will not be going back in as I wish to keep as much looking like 38 as possible.
:confused: Oh yes, I forgot about the 38's haveing one piece glass. Pity you did not have two more 38 doors to make life easier for you. :thumbup:
 

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Is this a homemade lift under the truck?How is it run?Looks cool.Looks like a fun project,lotta work,gotta have a lot of heart to take on something like that and work 7 days a week.:thumbup::thumbup:

That's one of the earliest types of lifts... air over hydraulic. There were also two post varieties that had one post under the front axle and one under the rear ... and they operated seperately...

they were still common well into the 70's... until the EPA cracked down on leaky oil resevoirs...
 
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:confused: Oh yes, I forgot about the 38's haveing one piece glass. Pity you did not have two more 38 doors to make life easier for you. :thumbup:


Not a real drama.
The doors are almost the same.
I have to remove the 1/4 vent & angled door top anyway for the rear doors, so to remove the 1/4 vent lower framework & add the runners for the glass probably isn't that much extra work..........Though it is extra :wtf:

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Is this a homemade lift under the truck?How is it run?Looks cool.Looks like a fun project,lotta work,gotta have a lot of heart to take on something like that and work 7 days a week.


That's one of the earliest types of lifts... air over hydraulic. There were also two post varieties that had one post under the front axle and one under the rear ... and they operated seperately...
they were still common well into the 70's... until the EPA cracked down on leaky oil resevoirs...
Today 10:30 AM

Not sure about the EPA here, but they aren't called widow maker hoists for nothing :shocking:

But at least I have got it working to use if need be (just use with caution :wtf:)
 
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Many won't like these wheels (but stiff sh*t :bounce:)


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I did a lot of searching to find a cheap wheel that would not only fit, but give me a higher load rating than most steel wheels do. They are 17 x 7 1/2"

They are brand new & came with caps & nuts........& of course.......CHEAP :beer::beer: so I'm very happy with them.
Not quite what I originally had in mind, but then again I'm now starting to re-think the colour, so they might not stand out too much.

The trick will be to pick on the right sized tyre to suit.
I'm aiming for 29 1/2" to 30" tall.
I will set up a couple of rims on the front (once I up size the brakes :headscrat That is going to be another interesting exersise :wtf::wtf:) & put it through the full turning radius & suspension travel to make sure that they won't foul on anything.
I may have to drop down in height slighty as it's pretty tight in there :wtf: but 30's would fill those guards with out having to close them in. After all I am looking for an F100 style of Pickup.
 
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Just some ideas for you. :thumbup:

Edited note: Looks like you best look at this page.
http://overseascoes.bravehost.com/Fogg.D.7.html

Sorry Simon, but ...........YUK :yikes:
This exactly why I'm squaring up the back doors (mind you I will look at the othe rpics though)

I did manage a little more over the weekend. all mainly setting up the tracks so I can put my paper work in.
Hopefully I can do all that I want.
I've got some 322mm rotors coming & some 2 spot calipers, so it should pull up ok.

The hubs will be machined by a local (well 2 1/2 hours away) Rod Shop, as well as the caliper brakets.

Even thought the 9" has discs, I'm a little narrow to be legal, so a later Ford conversion will happen (just so happens I have a complete set up :bounce:)this will increase my rear track by 18mm & make it all oaky doaky :thumbup::thumbup:

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This exactly why I'm squaring up the back doors

Are you planning to take corners from the back of the opposite side (on your spare doors) to make front corners on those rear doors? I wondered when I saw the first picture of the two doors together how you'd do that.

Cool project. :)
 
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