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-- I posted this in the garage sale thread but just for some context.
So I jumped on a Craigslist ad that had some cool looking vintage signs. The brands just happened to be machinists brands which is one of my favorite tool categories to collect. Brands like Starret, Lufkin, Browne & Sharpe. From looking at the condition of the signs in the ad I assumed they were reproductions but thought they would look great displayed with or near my tool collection.

When I picked them up I was surprised to learn that they were all original and likely 100 years old. They had hung over the counter in a family tool and die business in New Jersey that closed likely in the 70s, but had been in the family for 100 years before that. The grandkids had taken the signs and proudly displayed them for years, but now even they are at a time in their life when downsizing is called for.

updated - I heard back from the seller and these items came from Kienzle & Hahn, Newark NJ, which was on East Kinney St. the sellers maiden name was Hahn.

So instantly, your boy Duddly is the accidental curator of this group of antique counter signs. Not a collection gathered from all over, but a group of well loved signs passed down through a family. Rather than just accent pieces, the group has a life of it's own and I am still trying to get my bearings on how to display these and such.

One thing is for sure... I will not be touching/cleaning/etc them. I wiped the plastic covered ones with a damp cloth only. As with any new items, especially ones with a story the next step is to learn about them so I would welcome any input, help in narrowing down times, etc.
 

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The sign that first caught my eye in the ad was this 9 inch Starret. I believe it is a 'Crystoglas' sign but the sticker on the back is missing. Basically it is a hard plastic over a sign with some level of depth. The letters have depth to them.
 

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This 9 inch Lufkin sign is another great example of the 'Crystoglas' effect. You can see the effect of the depth of the lettering in the close up. I have included the sticker from the back.
 

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Two Browne & Sharp signs. I know, you are probably getting sick of me talking about the 3D effect of the cryptoglas construction, but I couldn't be happier that my accidental collection has this effect.
 

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A couple signs from 'The Standard Tool Company' - this was a new one to me and will be fun to research.

These are a bit different, one has an interesting construction with a heavy foil used to give it a 3D effect. The other is beautifully painted. These are by far the most fragile of the bunch with some paint loss.
 

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a LENOX saw thermometer. I believe this one had an outdoor life but it is in good shape except for the faded LENOX lettering at the top and a bit of dirt.
 

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:shocking: :thumbup:

Congratulations! That is a good story and - since you thought they were reproductions, and I'm assuming that you bought them all for prices commensurate with reproductions - also quite a one-fell-swoop score! They look museum-quality terrific.

I'm not familiar with Standard Tool Co at all, and it's hard to get a read on the age of the Starrett and B&S signs, but the Lufkin sign looks like it came right off the cover of the 1938 catalog to me.

What are the sizes, by the way? (No spatial context...) edit: Disregard. I was typing as you were posting new posts... /edit
 
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And lastly in this group... a counter top display for Heller Brothers rotary files. This looks a bit newer with plywood construction, but it will again be fun to research.
 

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:shocking: :thumbup:

Congratulations! That is a good story and - since you thought they were reproductions, and I'm assuming that you bought them all for prices commensurate with reproductions - also quite a one-fell-swoop score! They look museum-quality terrific.

I'm not familiar with Standard Tool Co at all, and it's hard to get a read on the age of the Starrett and B&S signs, but the Lufkin sign looks like it came right off the cover of the 1938 catalog to me.

What are the sizes, by the way? (No spatial context...) edit: Disregard. I was typing as you were posting new posts... /edit

You can see why I thought they were reproductions from the condition they are in. I didn't ask a lot of questions before buying them as I REALLY wanted them. My wife went with me to pick them up and we had convinced ourselves that they HAD to be reproductions based on the picture. I was in shock when I saw them and heard the story unfold.
 
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Did the family member tell you the name and location in NJ of the tool and die service? If not, please ask. As a NJ guy, I'm curious, but it may also help the research.

I did not get the name last night, but have reached out to see if she knows. thanks
 
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Did the family member tell you the name and location in NJ of the tool and die service? If not, please ask. As a NJ guy, I'm curious, but it may also help the research.

Hey Lugz... the Heller Brothers rotary files counter top display rung a bell... is that the same Heller Brothers that you got the farrier's knife from this week (and i had one)?

(Now i am really anxious to hear back from the seller as Heller Brothers started life in NJ)
 

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Interesting that even the Family knew enough to take wonderful care of them and not throw them away. I am familiar with all the brands and I too would have loved them in my man cave.

Take good care of them for future generations to enjoy! :thumbup::thumbup:
 
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Did the family member tell you the name and location in NJ of the tool and die service? If not, please ask. As a NJ guy, I'm curious, but it may also help the research.

updated - I heard back from the seller and these items came from Kienzle & Hahn, Newark NJ, which was on East Kinney St. the sellers maiden name was Hahn.
 

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Damn Duddly, Those are some of the neatest machinist related signs I've ever seen. Love the companies they represent. I think I would have driven all the way to the right coast and given a nut for those...beautiful! Ed.
 
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They would look better hanging in my New Jersey shop. :)

Another interesting New Jersey link (Newark again) ...
Whitehead & Hoag made at least 4 of these 'crystoglas' signs. they were a Newark, New Jersey company that made 'buttons' (political, advetising, etc) and the crystoglas 'signs' that they made here seem to me to be just really oversided 'buttons'

here is some history on them: http://www.tedhake.com/viewuserdefinedpage.aspx?pn=whco
 

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Research on the sign maker and that particular technology may be your best route to accurate dates on those.

a counter top display for Heller Brothers rotary files. This looks a bit newer with plywood construction.
I think your instincts are good on this.

If you plan to start with AA, Heller gets extremely short shrift there. (I forget how much info we have on Heller on TA, and the site is down right now...). but I can tell you that Heller is a very popular and in demand brand for WWII collectors, for files (GTMK), for 4- and 32-oz ball-pein hammers (GMTK), and 16-oz ball-pein hammers (Ford GPW jeep). They also made farrier's (as you already know) and blacksmith's tools. And they are perhaps most well-known for the Masterench. GJ has a few threads going on those, linked here, and here.

We have WWII hemmed in with a 1936 catalog, available for on-line viewing or download here, and a 1949 catalog, available here.

But I suspect your cabinet is newer than that. There are no rotary files in the 1949 catalog.

updated - I heard back from the seller and these items came from Kienzle & Hahn, Newark NJ, which was on East Kinney St. the sellers maiden name was Hahn.
Great. Thanks. That should be enough for some research. So cool that they will always have that personal connection.
 

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Awesome finds Duddly! Earliest date I find for Crystoglas so far is 1913 in a banking publication.
 

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I'm delighted they've stayed together and in the hands of someone who will conserve them. Well done!
 

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I didn't come up with much, duddly.

Kienzle & Hahn at that address (54 East Kinney St.) were identified as “Jewelers” in the 1914 Newark Directory, link here, clip here…

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Whether that's a mistake or not is questionable. I can see them starting out as jewelers and using that to launch into making precision parts.

The 1915 Journal of the Senate of the State of New Jersey identified them as producing “tools and special machinery,” linked here, clip here…

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They were identified as providing “steel and tools” on page 424 of the 1940 NJ Bureau of Statistics and Records, linked as a snippet view only here.

They were listed at the same address (54 East Kinney) on page 386 in Volume 49 (1962) of the journal, Manufacturing Engineering Management, linked in snippet only view here.

Latest listing I can find is in a 1980 book of instrument manufacturers’ codes published by the US Navy Metrology Engineering Center, linked in snippet view only here.
 
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thanks Lugz! interesting reading and it all seems to fit! Based on that and the time period during which the crystoglas signs were produced, I am dating at least those signs somewhere between 1915 and 1925.

Going through everything I saw that the seller had thrown in an old advertising ruler. Upon closer inspection, I believe that while it is an advertising piece it is actually a wooden gas gauge for a Ford Model T. It is in pretty rough shape, which is why it took a while to realize what it was. It is another first for me. I will get a picture or two tomorrow.
 

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My avatar on this forum used to be a picture of a similar Lufkin sign that was on eBay years ago, and I saved a pic cuz I had never seen one before. It was minty fresh like yours, but larger in size. I'm wanting to say it sold for decent money- just under $200.

So yeah, you **** big time.

As an aside, was E. Kinney Street in an industrial area of Newark? The name rang a bell and as it turns out, I had a 1926 edition of the print catalog for William Dixon Inc, who catered to the jeweler/silversmith/engraver and associated trades, sitting right in front of me on my coffee table! Address is listed as 32-34-36 E. Kinney St.

They do have the Prentiss jeweler's vises listed, easy to find the page in this copy due to the drool stains lol!
 

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And a pic, because I'm still laughing about that.
Also, just wanted to repeat you **** duddly lol
I have a decent collection of Lufkin tools, if I would have found that sign I'd probably need to be revived with smelling salts. There is an active community of Lufkin collectors but I think they're all hermits, however they are hermits with some deep pockets. I have witnessed and been involved in bidding wars for Lufkin tools, they can be deceptively cutthroat. Usually sells for less than comparable Starrett, unless it's an oddball or rarity, and your sign fits into the latter category.
 

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My avatar on this forum used to be a picture of a similar Lufkin sign that was on eBay years ago, and I saved a pic cuz I had never seen one before. It was minty fresh like yours, but larger in size. I'm wanting to say it sold for decent money- just under $200.

So yeah, you **** big time.

The Lufkin logo has long been a favorite of mine for its simplicity and rich color. I have an old Lufkin catalog that I used to add a splash of color to my tool displays
 

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Research on the sign maker and that particular technology may be your best route to accurate dates on those.


I think your instincts are good on this.

If you plan to start with AA, Heller gets extremely short shrift there. (I forget how much info we have on Heller on TA, and the site is down right now...). but I can tell you that Heller is a very popular and in demand brand for WWII collectors, for files (GTMK), for 4- and 32-oz ball-pein hammers (GMTK), and 16-oz ball-pein hammers (Ford GPW jeep). They also made farrier's (as you already know) and blacksmith's tools. And they are perhaps most well-known for the Masterench. GJ has a few threads going on those, linked here, and here.

We have WWII hemmed in with a 1936 catalog, available for on-line viewing or download here, and a 1949 catalog, available here.

But I suspect your cabinet is newer than that. There are no rotary files in the 1949 catalog.


Great. Thanks. That should be enough for some research. So cool that they will always have that personal connection.

Lugz,
I think that Phil has a couple of wartime Heller catalogs. Here are the only shots I have from the ‘45 catalog. Here is a short thread on G503 showing some tools from the ‘41 catalog.
https://forums.g503.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=293378&hilit=Heller+catalog
-Don
 

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I forgot about the '41! And didn't know he had a '45. I'm going to ask him for scans of the Masterench pages - for the Masterrench thread. While I'm at it, I'll ask him to check for rotary files. Since they're not in the '49, I doubt it, but I'll ask.
 
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I mentioned that a wooden "stick" for measuring the gas in early Ford cars was included in the lot. I took a risk and did some light cleaning so you can now read the lettering. It was an advertising piece handed out by Irvington glass service in Irvington New Jersey (I know, it keeps coming back to NJ).

it's 17 inches long and reads "for Ford cars, inches for other cars" the Ford section has 3 difference gauges for round tanks, oval tanks, or square tanks.

A neat little item that I did not have before.

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Irvington was the home of Smith & Hemenway, and then Red Devil Tools, before they moved to Union. Besides Heller Brothers, Newark was also the home of Kraeuter, Forged Steel Products (makers of the original Vacuum-Grip pliers, before moving to PA and being acquired by Snap/on), C.S. Osborne (punches, other leather-working tools, brushes), Lowentraut, and Wiss.
 
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