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CM pre-Block Grinder 115.19500 restore, ver. 2

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Member dogzbody1 kindly sent me his problem pre-Block 1/4-HP, m-115.19500 grinder for the mere cost of shipping. :bowdown:

I optimistically told him I'd look at it in a day or two. That was over 6 months ago!

Anyway, after doing some pre-spring cleaning in the garage-shop, I could finally see the top of the work bench a couple of nights ago. Feeling good about that no-small task, I headed into the house at about 10:30 PM.

Then it happened. I caught my boot on the corner of the box with the Block in it. Oh well, time to take it out of the box and just look at it. Yea, right.

The next thing I knew, this is how my clean bench top looked.
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Sorry, no before pictures owing to the lateness of the hour and laziness of the Blockhead. Suffice it to say, this is a sweet little, if not heavy (CI) pre-Block!

It may just get a good scrubbing with Simple Green, instead of a lick of paint.

Also, I didn't run it because I vaguely recall dogzbody1 posting it may have stalled and smoked on power-up, which can be a fatal sign. I later confirmed this, when I found his original post. https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6737761&postcount=805
Update: I heard from dogz: 'It smoked at start and did spin after I helped it, ...'


Dogz - congratulations! You definitely saved this guy by giving it that spin! That's grinder CPR.

The early Blocks (pre-Blocks, ++ ?) do not use a start-up relay. Rather, they use a mechanical centrifugal-switch (CS).

Levers on the arbor shaft attached to weights press a low-friction, non-conductive sliding collar that presses against a plate with a set of electrical contacts, which is mounted to the RH end frame. At start, the collar is pressing on the CS plate, closing the contacts and connecting the start winding. Full description, here. --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_switch

Centrifugal-switch (CS), removed from RH end frame. The brown mounting plate is quite fragile and care needs to be taken when disassembling.
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If the RH bearing is stuck to the arbor and the arbor is removed with the CS still attached to the RH end frame, the CS can be damaged/destroyed.

In this case the bearing stayed in the RH end frame, so removing the CS first was not necessary. I cut the white wire from the start-up winding to the CS. The other white wire from the CS goes to a splice with the power cord neutral (white) and the run winding (red) wires, under the grinder cover.

After removing the LH end frame, where the bearing stayed on the LH arbor shaft, I was able to maneuver the winding assembly enough to remove the 2 mounting screws holding the CS to the RH end frame, so the CS was free to be removed with arbor & winding assemblies. As mentioned, it turned out the bearing stayed in the RH end frame.

Here is the arbor assembly, RH view, showing the mechanical weights and lever of the CS.
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RH end frame with bearing. Dark looking wet spots are Kroil penetrating oil.
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LH bearing/arbor.
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Detail of LH bearing mounting hole in the end frame.
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Detail of RH bearing mounting hole in the end frame.
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Note the ridge on the inside of the bore. This keeps the bearing in the RH end frame when the arbor assembly is removed. Greatly simplifying disassembly. This must have been a manufacturing revision, earlier pre-Blocks did not have this, IIRC.

I haven't detailed the LH bearing removal from the arbor shaft. It has been posted previously. I will look for the link and post it here. https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5722705#post5722705
 

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Once the arbor and winding assemblies are removed, the RH bearing is removed from the inside of the end frame using a Sunex Tools bearing/seal driver tool.

I first used the 1.25" (31.75mm) to remove, but to temporarily re-install I noticed the 1.375" (34.925mm) was a better match to the OD.
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ND 3202
15 mm Bore ID,
35 mm OD,
11 mm Width
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ND 3202 cross references to: NTN Bearing 6202ZZ (eBay sourced, cheaper and faster than Amazon!?)

Single Row Deep Groove Radial Ball Bearing, Normal Clearance, Steel Cage, 15 mm Bore ID, 35 mm OD, 11 mm Width, Double Shielded.

A 2RU suffix for 2 non-contact rubber seals. A 2RS suffix would be for 2 rubber contact seals and they will generate more heat, probably not a real issue for occasional farm and home use. :thumbup:

Close look at the windings. Thin wires are start-up windings and cannot withstand full run current; thus the need for the CS or relay that open the start-up circuit at about 75% of full speed.
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Heavy gauge wire of run winding, and a major reason for the robustness of the 'Block' grinder!
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View of winding splice with aged and brittle cloth covered wire.
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Start-up winding connection.
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The cloth covered wires are so stiff and brittle, I don't trust them. They will be cut as short as possible and new wire soldered and heat shrink will be installed.
 

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Views of the centrifugal switch (CS).

This side faces the arbor-rotor/spring, weight, sliding collar assembly.
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Back side of CS. Note the white fuzz on the rivets.
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Side view of CS, showing the spring that holds the contacts OPEN when the sliding collar is retracted by the weights and levers attached to the arbor. Again, notice the white fuzz.
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The CS contact points were free of the white fuzz, and measured 0.0 Ohms closed.

The power switch measured 0.1 Ohms when closed/On.

The CS was given a good cleaning with alcohol to remove the white fuzz. Then the CS and power switch were given a spritz or 2 of CAIG DeOxit Cleaning Solution Spray and operated several times and given another couple of spritzes.

The mechanical part of the CS attached to the arbor was cleaned with alcohol and given a light amount of WD40. The springs were removed for better access.
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The original wires were removed from the CS, power switch, and cut as short as possible from the windings. New flexible wire was soldered and heat shrink was used on the splices.
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CS with new wires installed in RH end frame.
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Power switch and winding with new wires installed. Getting ready for testing.
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View of the wire/splice from the start winding to the centrifugal switch.
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View of LH end bell. I believe the rust is probably due to storage in a humid location. This does not look like Block grinders that have heavy corrosion caused by standing water.
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RH end bell, prior to bearing removal. As previously mentioned, due to the machined inner lip in the bearing mounting bore, the bearing should be driven out from the inside.
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The Block is assembled with a grounded test power cord and waiting for a power ON test.
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It spun up, first try! :thumbup:
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Wiring diagram, with resistance specs and bearing information.
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Very nice machine tag for a 67 year old! This Block is in fine shape and will grind and wire wheel again, soon!
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I will post more pictures when the new bearings and power cord arrive and are installed.

Thanks for viewing.:)
 

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It's back together and running just like it should.
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For details please go down to post #32, March 31, 2020.
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It lives! Looks like you have a good start on that one.
I used to hate the gold Craftsman but it is starting to grow on me, at least in small doses like on a grinder.
 

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Great documentation TM! I've got a 1948 Dunlap 1/4hp grinder that I disassembled to change the bearings and broke the fragile brown mounting plate of the centrifugal-switch. That was before I joined GJ or knew what to expect when I cracked it open. It was kinda like that time when I was 12 and pulled out the cylinder of my closet lock and all the pins shot all over the room--instantaneously self-critiquing. And while I recovered from the lock fiasco after about three hours of work, I still haven't fixed the grinder. There are a boat-load of current projects in front of it now, but with your steps and diagrams, I may eventually pull it off the shelf and finish it up.

Thanks! (BTW, the replacement CS cost more than I paid for the whole grinder... the price of experience...)

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Great documentation TM! I've got a 1948 Dunlap 1/4hp grinder that I disassembled to change the bearings and broke the fragile brown mounting plate of the centrifugal-switch. That was before I joined GJ or knew what to expect when I cracked it open. It was kinda like that time when I was 12 and pulled out the cylinder of my closet lock and all the pins shot all over the room--instantaneously self-critiquing. And while I recovered from the lock fiasco after about three hours of work, I still haven't fixed the grinder. There are a boat-load of current projects in front of it now, but with your steps and diagrams, I may eventually pull it off the shelf and finish it up.

Thanks! (BTW, the replacement CS cost more than I paid for the whole grinder... the price of experience...)

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Thank you.

I'm impressed you found a replacement CS!

Feel free to contact me, should you have any questions. I'll do my best to steer you right.

If you haven't already made your way over to these vintage machine sites, they are filled with resources and have a lot of friendly, helpful, and knowledgeable people.
VM website link - --> http://vintagemachinery.org/
OWWM website link - --> http://owwm.org/
 

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Great job with your restoration! When I pulled my grinder apart I managed to crack the switch. I ended up removing the components and reinstalling them on a board I fabricated. On a high note it let me clean the contact surfaces thoroughly.
 

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Great job with your restoration! When I pulled my grinder apart I managed to crack the switch. I ended up removing the components and reinstalling them on a board I fabricated. On a high note it let me clean the contact surfaces thoroughly.

Nice work!
 

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Great job with your restoration! When I pulled my grinder apart I managed to crack the switch. I ended up removing the components and reinstalling them on a board I fabricated. On a high note it let me clean the contact surfaces thoroughly.

Umake a pattern 4 reproduction?
 

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Just brought one of these home from my late father-in-laws garage and found your post. Just briefly bumped it and it seems to run but the cord is in bad shape. Are you converting the two-wire to three and what replacement cord are you using? Ill look forward to your pics.
 
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Just brought one of these home from my late father-in-laws garage and found your post. Just briefly bumped it and it seems to run but the cord is in bad shape. Are you converting the two-wire to three and what replacement cord are you using? Ill look forward to your pics.
Great, smooth grinder.

Got my cord yesterday and wouldn't you know - I came across the box I had put one in, right in my basement last night! :lol_hitti

Bergen Industries Inc PS615143 3-Wire Appliance and Power Tool Cord, 6 ft, 14 AWG, 15A/125V AC, 1875w

$8.23 Amazon Prime - at your door Sunday, if you are in Metro Detroit area

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BQ8MRKR/?tag=atomicindus08-20


Now, all I am waiting on is the pair of bearings from eBay.

I wonder if that other box in the basement might have ..., naw what would the chances be? :pimpflash
 
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Yes!

What material did you use and where did you find it?

Phenolic Sheet, Tan, 0.093" Thickness, 12" Width, 12" Length (Pack of 1)



I purchased the phenolic board from Amazon. Same thickness as original. $12.12

I wonder if a piece of circuit board (or perf-board)--without copper--would be the right thickness and strength?
 

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thought of that but the hole spacing doesn't work. i ordered from amazon for 12 bucks and had it to my door in a day or two. .093 matches original
They should also make a blank hole-free board that could be used basically as a fiberglass sheet.
 

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I just picked up this same grinder! got it for 25 dollars and from what i can see the only issue is that it is missing the tool rests and the cord is falling apart but it seems to run smooth. im having a hard time trying to hear for the bearings though since i cant really find a good video to compare a good sound vs mine. it doesnt sound scratchy but thats as far as i know!
 
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terk - The bearings are relatively inexpensive, $7.36/ea when you buy 2 and free shipping.
So, I routinely replace them. This model is a bit tricky because of the centrifugal switch, but worth it.

I don't know of a good way to check the bearings while they're still in the grinder, but once removed if you fell anything but smooth operation, they should be replaced.
 

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The cloth covered wires are so stiff and brittle, I don't trust them. They will be cut as short as possible and new wire soldered and heat shrink will be installed.

They are SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WAY ! After the coils are wound, including those cloth coverings, the whole assembly is dipped (possibly even vacuum impregnated) in high temperature varnish. After the excess drips off, it is baked, That is why it is hard.

Don't mess with it ! There is nothing you can do to improve it except possibly replace the non-varnished (flexible) end of the wire that has a high temperature insulation.
 

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Great job with your restoration! When I pulled my grinder apart I managed to crack the switch. I ended up removing the components and reinstalling them on a board I fabricated. On a high note it let me clean the contact surfaces thoroughly.

FR4 (a type of fiberglass board used in electronics) would be good for this.
 
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They are SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WAY ! After the coils are wound, including those cloth coverings, the whole assembly is dipped (possibly even vacuum impregnated) in high temperature varnish. After the excess drips off, it is baked, That is why it is hard.

Don't mess with it ! There is nothing you can do to improve it except possibly replace the non-varnished (flexible) end of the wire that has a high temperature insulation.
Thank you for your input, and recap of motor construction

The motor wire insulation used over 50 years ago in this grinder would have been fine if not disturbed.

With the CS removal, bearing replacement and etc ...., there was no choice but to replace the wires with the failed insulation. Modern wire and best practices were used, and will serve this grinder for another 50 years.
:)
 

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$7.99 now and $7.75 for the 9 ft. Nice prices for sure.

Great, smooth grinder.

Got my cord yesterday and wouldn't you know - I came across the box I had put one in, right in my basement last night! :lol_hitti

Bergen Industries Inc PS615143 3-Wire Appliance and Power Tool Cord, 6 ft, 14 AWG, 15A/125V AC, 1875w

$8.23 Amazon Prime - at your door Sunday, if you are in Metro Detroit area

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BQ8MRKR/?tag=atomicindus08-20


Now, all I am waiting on is the pair of bearings from eBay.

I wonder if that other box in the basement might have ..., naw what would the chances be? :pimpflash
 
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$7.99 now and $7.75 for the 9 ft. Nice prices for sure.
:thumbup:
Thank you.

I just ordered 2 of the 9' ones, and got a $3 credit for choosing No-Rush Shipping and earned 5% Back with Amazon Prime Rewards Visa Signature card.

Now, I need to put them where I can find them the next time I need a power cord.:lol_hitti


I've filled up with Java, and checked my favorite tool/garage sites, so I'm headed out to the garage-shop to work on this Block.
 
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The bits 'n pieces have been cleaned and some de-rusted with Evapo-Rust. Waiting for reassembly.
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A hole was drilled for a self-tapping ground screw - lower left.
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New bearings are being heated on a coffee warmer, prior to installing on the cold arbor. The flanges are used to keep the bearings in close contact with the warmer. Temperature was about 110F.
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Arbor shaft assembly fresh out of the freezer.
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The 'hot' bearing dropped right onto the 'chilled' arbor, no force needed. More information about this LH bearing later.
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Because of the inner-most ridge in RH bearing bore, that bearing was installed into the RH end bell from the outside.

The 2 'U' shaped power cord strain-reliefs and plastic bushing were removed from the power cord and the grinder.
The original hole was enlarged to a bit over 1/2".
The modern Heyco strain-relief is a better choice. The red handled pliers were used to install the Heyco (to the left of the pliers) and power cord.
The black bushing and ring above the pliers are alternatives that were not used, due to space limitations.
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View of the power cord and strain-relief installed - outside of bell end.
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The LH bearing was a 'loose' fit in the bell end bore and on the arbor shaft. A small amount of retaining compound was used in the bore and on the arbor at the bearing surfaces.
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The next several pictures detail the LH bearing, shaft, end cap, bearing spring, wheel spacer, wheel guard, and screws.

Note: The wheel spacer, shown on the arbor shaft, is installed after the wheel guard, end cover, bearing spring and 3 screws are installed.
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The 'fingers' of the bearing spring face towards the bearing.
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From left to right: Wheel guard, end cap, bearing spring, LH end bell.
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View of properly aligned bearing spring. Note even spacing of bearing spring around the bearing.
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View of RH end bell with centrifugal switch installed.
Note: The rust has been removed from the end bells, and treated with Ballistol.

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Winding assembly installed in RH end bell, with wires routed through 'cut out'.
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View of ground wire.
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Bottom view with LH, RH-end bells, arbor assembly, center band, and power cord installed.
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Bottom cover installed with original feet.
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It's done. Ready for power-on test.
The multi-colored Xcelite drivers on the peg-board have hollow shafts.
They were very useful restoring this pre-Block dated 3 57. :thumbup:
They were bought by my dad to service radio and TV equipment after his WWII tour of Germany and Austria was up.
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View of a short live test. The camera flash and shutter speed don't show how fast the arbor is spinning.
Don't try this at home! The flanges made an unhappy noise! :mad:
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Can you see the 'new' improvement?
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OK, here's a better shot.
Found these labels hiding on the workbench, left from another Block restore.
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Now, all it needs are 2 new wire wheels and a Craftsman stand.

Thanks for looking.
:)
 

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Wow man that looks great! do you buy your bearings from amazon or at a local store?
 
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Thanks guys.

I bought these bearing from an eBay seller. He was cheaper and faster than Amazon.

I have bought from Amazon and also from Bearing Services, which is a local supplier. They are more expensive, but I don't have to wait for shipping.

Also, the OWWM site lists a source: Accurate Bearing (http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=93322).

As a comparison, I put in a request for quote and Jennifer Modica quoted:
2PCS 6203 ZZ NACHI -- price is $3.20.

You'll need to set up an account, which I did for my next order; but that is a great price.

I don't know how long it would take to get them though.

I hope this helps.
 
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March 31, 2020

It's done. Ready for power-on test.
The multi-colored Xcelite drivers on the peg-board have hollow shafts.
They were very useful restoring this pre-Block dated 3 57. :thumbup:
They were bought by my dad to service radio and TV equipment after his WWII tour of Germany and Austria was up.

TM, it appears that fellow Blockheads have similar life histories. My uncle also repaired TV gear after WW2, and I inherited most of his tools around 50 years ago. Still have my Xcelite Compact set of hollow shaft drivers. Check out the printing on the black handle :thumbup:
 

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