Craftsman Pedestal-Type Power Tool Stands

FrankLee · Apr 20, 2020

Craftsman Pedestal-Type Power Tool Stands

In 1954, Sears began offering Craftsman Pedestal-Type Power Tool Stands for a limited number of machines. By 1956, there were pedestal stands for fourteen unique machines.

from page 35 of the 1956 catalog

The pedestal stands were also featured with each individual power tool in catalogs. For some reason, the bench grinder pedestal was not show on this page. It is featured on page 55 with the grinders.

Many pedestal stands were available until 1969, but because there were fewer machines offered, there were fewer pedestals.

The bench grinder pedestal stand was available until at least 1982-83. It was not shown in the '70 or '71 catalogs, but reappeared in the '72/'73 catalog.

from page 35 of the 1969 catalog

Below is a spreadsheet showing all pedestal stands and their catalog numbers and part casting numbers. Many thanks to Jay, GJ member CKS1955, for assembling this data. This spreadsheet includes parts manufactured by both King-Seeley (103) and Emerson Electric (113), but the basic casting part numbers were the same.

Summary:
Note: it was later determined that this is not a complete list.

four unique bases
- 38212 - for 3-1/2" dia column
- 38213 - for 2-3/4" dia column, double pedestal
- 38214 - for 2-3/4" dia column
- 38221 - for 2-3/4" dia column, bench grinder
three unique columns
- 2-3/4" x 26"
- 2-3/4" x 30"
- 3-1/2" x 21"
all tool mount brackets were unique except:
- bench grinder and lathe double pedestal shared the same bracket; 38222
cast iron motor mount casting part numbers
- 38215 clamp
- 38216 bracket
- 38219 motor plate
- not all pedestals required a motor mount
- later motor mounts were pressed steel
optional accessories made for pedestals
- casters
- Powr-Panl
- belt guards - same model used on several machines

Because of the cool factor, Craftsman Pedestal-Type Power Tool Stands are still a very desirable and sought-after accessory.

FrankLee · Apr 20, 2020

There are two styles of motor mounts. The earlier version is cast iron and the later is pressed steel. If catalog renderings are correct, the switch to the pressed-steel version occurred in 1959, or more likely in 1958, but there is no '58 power tool catalog to confirm.

Cast Iron

Pressed Steel

I don't have any photos of the pressed steel motor mount, but below are illustrations from the instruction sheet for a jointer pedestal.

FrankLee · Apr 20, 2020

Here is a link to a 1955(?) Pedestal Stand brochure.

Below are links to the few Installation and Assembly Instructions that are available online:
#2224 - for thickness planers
#2957 - for 12", 2-wheel band saws
#2960 - for 6" jointers
#2964 - for bench grinders

Because the bench grinder pedestal and the lathe pedestal share the same tool bracket, 38222, the lathe pedestal makes an awesome double grinder stand.

FrankLee · Apr 20, 2020

reserved

CKS1955 · Apr 20, 2020

Looks good, thanks for putting this all together. The first complete listing for these stands that I am aware that is on the internet.

Jay

lafester · Apr 20, 2020

I've had 6 different ones so far I think. The double grinder is the only one I have kept and it is still in use. I really wish I had kept the sander pedestal...

These originally came in the Craftsman blue-grey color, then most were power bronze and finally black.

FrankLee · Apr 21, 2020

CKS1955 said:
Looks good, thanks for putting this all together. The first complete listing for these stands that I am aware that is on the internet.

Jay

lafester said:
I've had 6 different ones so far I think. The double grinder is the only one I have kept and it is still in use. I really wish I had kept the sander pedestal...

These originally came in the Craftsman blue-grey color, then most were power bronze and finally black.

Thank you both for your contributions.

lafester · Apr 21, 2020

FrankLee said:
Thank you both for your contributions.

Don't forget to add a section about the casters for these. I saw them ONCE and missed out on the sale. Still looking for an alternative for the original.

FrankLee · Apr 21, 2020

lafester said:
Don't forget to add a section about the casters for these. I saw them ONCE and missed out on the sale. Still looking for an alternative for the original.

I've never seen those casters in person, but I did mention them above. Member Bdgjr215 posted about them in the Craftsman Drill Press thread.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6401634

Edit:
In October '21, I picked up a band saw with these casters. De-rusting them removed the black finish, but they did clean-up nicely.

I surmise that to use these the hex socket is employed from the top. They get retracted CCW when using the machine so the base is firmly on the floor. When moving the machine, they get extended CW until the base is off the floor.

Rileysan · Apr 21, 2020

FrankLee said:
I've never seen those casters in person, but I did mention them above. Member Bdgjr215 posted about them in the Craftsman Drill Press thread.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6401634

I have a table saw pedestal stand with casters. I'll photograph it when I get a free moment. I also have multiple grinder stands, two 2-post pedestal stands, and a couple belt sander pedestal stands.
Edit: Forgot to mention my 3 band saw pedestal stands.

My only question is this: are you sure the pedestal stands were first offered in 1954? I'm not at home so can't check my digital catalogs, but I would have guessed it was earlier. Then again, my memory may be off a little.

Brian

lafester · Apr 21, 2020

Caster discussion

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325057&highlight=craftsman+pedestal

FrankLee · Apr 21, 2020

Rileysan said:
I have a table saw pedestal stand with casters. I'll photograph it when I get a free moment. I also have multiple grinder stands, two 2-post pedestal stands, and a couple belt sander pedestal stands.

Yes, pictures please, always.

Rileysan said:
My only question is this: are you sure the pedestal stands were first offered in 1954? I'm not at home so can't check my digital catalogs, but I would have guessed it was earlier. Then again, my memory may be off a little.

Brian

Yes, I believe so.

All pedestal machines in the '54 catalog were shown on bench stands in the '52 and '53 catalogs.

8" bench saw (Craftsman 80)
12" 2-wheel band saw
6" jointer
bench grinder

The above four machines were the only ones shown in the '54 catalog with the "New Steel Tool Stand". However, I've seen enough discrepancies and contradictions in Craftsman catalogs to wonder if all pedestals were available in '54.

lafester said:
Caster discussion

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325057&highlight=craftsman+pedestal

Good find!

Rileysan · Apr 22, 2020

I spent a few minutes browsing through catalogs and captured some images from the 1954 Craftsman catalog that was digitized by David Mayer.

Table saw
Bandsaw
Jointer/planer

Rileysan · May 17, 2020

I hadn't gotten around to taking photos of my table saw stand with optional roller wheels - mostly because it's covered up - but I did learn that I also have a double post pedestal stand with roller wheels. Here's a couple photos

TexTJ209 · Aug 20, 2020

Howdy,

This has been an incredibly helpful thread, but I've come across a couple of pedestal stands with casting numbers that don't match the above list on eBay.

One is a table saw stand (unsure if 8" or 10") with a bracket casting number of 35248-103, and the other appears to be a pedestal stand unique to the Craftsman "40" model 4-3/8 jointer with a bracket casting number of 35244-103. Anyone have any more information on these?

damon18 · Aug 20, 2020

Thank you for this thread! Without it I wouldn't have been able to tell that the stand that came the grinder I bought today was a legit Craftsman product.

Because someone had added a piece of wood between stand and grinder I thought it was cobbled together, but it is a
99 A 02964L
which your info shows is correct for the Craftsman 397.19580 on it.

It appears the wood was added to be able to use a drill sharpening attachment.

Maddog1337 · Aug 22, 2020

Ditto everyone above, thank you so much for this contribution. Just picked up 38212-103 with original casters today for $5. Now, is it sacrilegious to put a DeWalt table saw on it? Ha

Rileysan · Aug 23, 2020

TexTJ209 said:
Howdy,

This has been an incredibly helpful thread, but I've come across a couple of pedestal stands with casting numbers that don't match the above list on eBay.

One is a table saw stand (unsure if 8" or 10") with a bracket casting number of 35248-103, and the other appears to be a pedestal stand unique to the Craftsman "40" model 4-3/8 jointer with a bracket casting number of 35244-103. Anyone have any more information on these?

Can you grab a photo from the listing?

FrankLee · Aug 23, 2020

TexTJ209 said:
Howdy,

This has been an incredibly helpful thread, but I've come across a couple of pedestal stands with casting numbers that don't match the above list on eBay.

One is a table saw stand (unsure if 8" or 10") with a bracket casting number of 35248-103, and the other appears to be a pedestal stand unique to the Craftsman "40" model 4-3/8 jointer with a bracket casting number of 35244-103. Anyone have any more information on these?

Rileysan said:

Can you grab a photo from the listing?

Click to expand...

I somehow missed Tex's post about the missing casting numbers. Thanks for pointing those out. A link to those ebay listings could also be helpful to update this info.

wrenchguy · Aug 23, 2020

I just yesterday picked up this 1/2hp preblock with stand. I don't believe it was ever wiped off.

Frank, is there a consensuses on a available rattlecan paint for repainting this item? What color are you craftsman guys calling it? Its kinda gold like.
video,

FrankLee · Aug 23, 2020

wrenchguy said:
I just yesterday picked up this 1/2hp preblock with stand. I don't believe it was ever wiped off.

Frank, is there a consensuses on a available rattlecan paint for repainting this item? What color are you craftsman guys calling it? Its kinda gold like.
video,

Nice find!

The original gold color was called Power Bronze in the catalogs. Contrary to what I've read elsewhere, Power Bronze was introduced in 1957, the same year as the Craftsman brand's 30th anniversary, not Sears' or Craftsman's 75th anniversary. Sears was founded in 1893. 75 years prior to 1957 would have been 1882; eleven years prior to Sears founding.

There is a close color match, but I don't recall the paint brand or name. Someone will chime in.

There are various opinions on whether a long wind-down is good or bad. Some say dry bearings will produce a very long wind-down. I dunno, but that machine is 60+ years old.

JoCoSawdust · Aug 23, 2020

Nice snag wrenchguy. I've yet to find one of those that isn't missing more parts than are worth me trying to track down.

I use Rustoleum Champagne Bronze for the Power Bronze stuff.

CKS1955 · Aug 23, 2020

JoCoSawdust said:
Nice snag wrenchguy. I've yet to find one of those that isn't missing more parts than are worth me trying to track down.

Agree its a very good find, that grinder is somewhat rare.

Jay

wrenchguy · Aug 23, 2020

Thanks enthusiast!
Guys, my 10-56 would count as a 57 model???
Thoughts from anyone about refurbing it? There's alot of surface rust! Never want to run out of projects!!

B17E1943 · Aug 23, 2020

Great info, Frank - thanks! :thumbup:

FrankLee · Aug 23, 2020

wrenchguy said:
Thanks enthusiast!
Guys, my 10-56 would count as a 57 model???
Thoughts from anyone about refurbing it? There's alot of surface rust! Never want to run out of projects!!

I would say yes, '57.

The '56 catalog says "Heavy cast iron frame in rust resisting gray enamel."

The '57 catalog says "Heavy cast iron frame in rust resisting enamel."

There are all kinds of threads with refurb info.

Does anyone have that original grinder wrench shown in the catalog illustration? It's probably a rare piece.

lafester · Aug 23, 2020

FrankLee said:
I would say yes, '57.

The '56 catalog says "Heavy cast iron frame in rust resisting gray enamel."

The '57 catalog says "Heavy cast iron frame in rust resisting enamel."

There are all kinds of threads with refurb info.

Does anyone have that original grinder wrench shown in the catalog illustration? It's probably a rare piece.

I’ve never seen one... But now I have to have one!

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wrenchguy · Aug 23, 2020

FrankLee said:
I would say yes, '57.
Does anyone have that original grinder wrench shown in the catalog illustration? It's probably a rare piece.

Yes! Damn it! I think I left it at the sale!! I thought it was a generic t wrench sitting in the tray. I bought and ended up with alot of free stuff, i throwed it all in the truck tool boxes. The 1 in the tray was longer than than catalog 1. I don't think it was marked. I'll be back!

wrenchguy · Aug 23, 2020

I guess i should make a new post?
Found it in the truck toolbox!
I'd think they would have a holder for it to be stowed? It's not marked anyway and may be cadmium plated. It's 7/16" socket.
1st photo is how i saw it yesterday.

lafester · Aug 23, 2020

That's cool, I guess now we need to wait for a second one to verify. I doubt it was there by coincidence though.

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TexTJ209 · Aug 31, 2020

FrankLee said:
I somehow missed Tex's post about the missing casting numbers. Thanks for pointing those out. A link to those ebay listings could also be helpful to update this info.

The Jointer stand

https://www.ebay.com/itm/184405790200

The TS Stand

http://https://www.ebay.com/itm/174388556234

I did buy the saw stand if you needed any other pics. &#55357;&#56898;

TexTJ209 · Aug 31, 2020

Also just totally realized thanks to this thread that one of my 12x6 bandsaws is actually sitting on a 3 wheel 12x4 bandsaw base. Now I need one of those lol.

FrankLee · Sep 7, 2020

wrenchguy said:
I guess i should make a new post?
Found it in the truck toolbox!
I'd think they would have a holder for it to be stowed? It's not marked anyway and may be cadmium plated. It's 7/16" socket.
1st photo is how i saw it yesterday.

Thanks for posting that! I've never seen one .

A new thread not necessary, but you may want to also post that wrench in the pre-block thread.

FrankLee · Sep 7, 2020

TexTJ209 said:
The Jointer stand

https://www.ebay.com/itm/184405790200

The TS Stand

http://https://www.ebay.com/itm/174388556234

I did buy the saw stand if you needed any other pics. ��

Thanks!

It looks like that jointer bracket is mounted upside down.

Please post pictures of the table saw stand. That TS link is for table saw extensions.

toolchaser · Sep 7, 2020

I've got one of the twin column stands, waiting on garage completion to move from shop to garage. I plan on mounting twin block grinders.

ChefRex · Sep 7, 2020

Looks like I have a jointer stand,

Had my pre block and this old Westinghouse buffer mounted on it

Haven’t found much information on the buffer but I now have all I need on the stand.

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TexTJ209 · Sep 11, 2020

FrankLee said:
Thanks!

It looks like that jointer bracket is mounted upside down.

Please post pictures of the table saw stand. That TS link is for table saw extensions.

Yeah I noticed his bracket was upside down, hard to tell if it was just a normal jointer base or something special for the Craftsman "40" jointer that came on it (he was selling that too).

Not sure what's up with the TS Stand link. Works fine for me, I'll try and snap some pics next time I'm near the stand.

Hoorn · Mar 12, 2021

Here is my contribution to the Craftsman pedestal stand. According to PO, who was the original owner, he bought the pedestal and grinder as a set in 1966. Date stamped on bottom of the grinder is May 4th, 1966.

Grinder was rarely used and is practically new, still has original Crowntop wheels.

Leviton · Mar 12, 2021

Hoorn - great score - that is in beautiful shape!

FrankLee, this is a great thread, good job! (And Rileysan, thanks for your additional picture contributions).

CKS1955 · Mar 13, 2021

Hoorn,
Like the base on that grinder stand, clever solution.

Jay

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