The Ferrari House

Ryan · Nov 24, 2009

I love modern architecture and design. I also love Ferraris... Recently, I was browsing Flickr and found a guy that shares my same passions, but with more means. The result is...
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viper522 · Nov 24, 2009

Who needs art on the walls when you can see a Ferrari from anywhere in the building. Classic.

JB740i · Nov 24, 2009

Ryan said:
Bored while dropped the Browns off at the Super Bowl? No sweat… Just study your Ferrari.

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I had to think about that one a minute. That's brilliant.

RbrtAWhyt · Nov 24, 2009

This is where everyone chimes in and proclaims how impractical it is and how its not a "real" garage because you cant grind, weld or paint in there, theres no grease stains on the floor, no tools any where, and why the hell is there a bathroom in there???

ovilla · Nov 24, 2009

That's a nice 348 for sure. I like working on cars but I just can't imagine having to drop a 348's motor/****** and rear suspension (it comes all out as one unit) every 30K or 3 years to do a "major" service to change the cam belts. You can also change the belts "in situ" (means by leaving the motor/****** in the car) by just removing the gas tank but you most likely won't be able to change anything else - which is why a lot of the Fcar folks don't like to do that. Anyway, parts alone will run an easy 1,500 every 30K and if you take it to a dealer, they charge $150/hr (specialist shops are anywhere from $75-$100/hr).

In case you haven't figured it out, yes, I've been doing a lot of research into these cars, especially since Fcar prices have come down significantly this year. The car in this picture can be picked up for a low of 50-60K, even more discounted if it needs a "major" service. Having said all this, I've always wanted one and hope to someday get a 355.

chad s · Nov 24, 2009

I have the same chair he has. The car I dont think Ill ever be able to have though. Very cool.

Rickster · Nov 24, 2009

I've often seen that same chair and ottoman combo a many upscale estate sales. Is it very comfortable?

galwaytt · Nov 24, 2009

....I like it.

I can't have it. But I still like it.

But the real classic in those pics is tucked away: 1980's Suzuki Katana - the original

Now that, I can have ! :bowdown:

justinmc · Nov 24, 2009

Rickster said:
I've often seen that same chair and ottoman combo a many upscale estate sales. Is it very comfortable?

Yup thats a Eames designed chair. There are a few different types/styles/etc.. but they are comfortable. Leather with good padding, etc. That one is more than likely a licensed repop or the real thing.. either are big $. There are cheap knockoffs out there but not anywhere near the same as the real thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eames_Lounge_Chair

TONE · Nov 24, 2009

That Eames chair is not original...........they werent available in the cherry/black at that time.

It was walnut and black. I can see the difference right away. Still a $3500 chair/ottoman

e-tek · Nov 24, 2009

I've been looking at 308's lately (Magnum's Ferrari). A guy I know picked one up for 25K and he loves it. Easy to work on, just $$$ for parts.

johno · Nov 24, 2009

Well I don't have a Ferrari, and i don't have an Eames chair,BUT I do have a an 82 Katana, I'm a lucky guy.

justinmc · Nov 24, 2009

TONE said:
I can see the difference right away. chair/ottoman

You sir are obviously more well versed in your mod furniture than I. Which is quite fine. I'd take a fake.

chad s · Nov 24, 2009

TONE said:
That Eames chair is not original...........they werent available in the cherry/black at that time.

It was walnut and black. I can see the difference right away. Still a $3500 chair/ottoman

The classic Eames chair is Brazilian rosewood and black leather, as introduced in 1956. The BR/black was the color that Charles Eames considered the best wood/color combo. Herman Miller has never stopped making them.

The one pictured is 100% a Brazilian Rosewood, legit Herman Miller piece. They stopped making the Brazilian rosewood around 1990, because of the wood becoming endangered. The one shown is a post 1970-71 era one, as it has fuller stuffed cushions than the earlier all down filled version. The all down version didnt hold its shape well after a few years, and at Charles Eames request, they switched to a down and soft foam chips mix for a filler. An all down filled one will always have a more "tired" look to the cushions. The table next to the chair is also a Herman Miller built Isamu Noguchi designed piece.

I have studied this chair, its evolution, slight construction changes etc in great depth, and own an original Brazilian rosewood 670/671 chair and ottoman, built in 1975. The chair is currently available in cherry, walnut, and "Santos Palisander", which is the replacement for the rosewood. The walnut and cherry dont have the swirly grain that you see in the rosewood one in the Farari house. The Santos wood comes close in grain pattern, but the reddish color is not there.

Oh, and yea, the chair is very comfortable, just ask my dog Roscoe!

chad s · Nov 24, 2009

justinmc said:
Yup thats a Eames designed chair. There are a few different types/styles/etc.. but they are comfortable. Leather with good padding, etc. That one is more than likely a licensed repop or the real thing.. either are big $. There are cheap knockoffs out there but not anywhere near the same as the real thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eames_Lounge_Chair

The average market for an original one is $3500-5500 depending on age, condition, and wood/color. A Brazilian Rosewood and black leather one from 1956 (first year) in good, all original shape is of course the most desirable, and could definitely well exceed $6k.

The one in the pictures is legit. A guy who has a Fararri in his house probably isnt too worried about paying $3500 for a chair. There is apparently a chinese company making a very good repro, but I have never seen one in person. The picture in the ad's is always of one that looks just right, yet any repro that Ive seen in the flesh had slight differences. I think the pictures used to market the newest chinese fakes are pics of the real article. The difference is most noticeable in the arm rests, and the bases. A legit 671 ottoman should have 4 legs, most repro's have 5. The chair itself (part 670) should have 5 legs. The chair should not recline/rock. Most repro's do. The arm rest of most repro's are totally wrong.

A current Herman Miller made Eames chair is not really a licensed repro, they are the same company that has always made them since 1956, built in the same factory in Zeeland Michigan, they have never stopped making them since 1956. Charles Eames designed the chair for Herman Miller, as did many other designers contracted by HM in the same era.

justinmc · Nov 25, 2009

chad s said:
The average market for an original one is $3500-5500 depending on age, condition, and wood/color. A Brazilian Rosewood and black leather one from 1956 (first year) in good, all original shape is of course the most desirable, and could definitely well exceed $6k.

The one in the pictures is legit. A guy who has a Fararri in his house probably isnt too worried about paying $3500 for a chair. There is apparently a chinese company making a very good repro, but I have never seen one in person. The picture in the ad's is always of one that looks just right, yet any repro that Ive seen in the flesh had slight differences. I think the pictures used to market the newest chinese fakes are pics of the real article. The difference is most noticeable in the arm rests, and the bases. A legit 671 ottoman should have 4 legs, most repro's have 5. The chair itself (part 670) should have 5 legs. The chair should not recline/rock. Most repro's do. The arm rest of most repro's are totally wrong.

A current Herman Miller made Eames chair is not really a licensed repro, they are the same company that has always made them since 1956, built in the same factory in Zeeland Michigan, they have never stopped making them since 1956. Charles Eames designed the chair for Herman Miller, as did many other designers contracted by HM in the same era.

PS I spent 2 years in architecture school.. always thought I should've gone to KSU and studied interiors instead. I've always loved mod furniture just never had the proper funds to capitalize on it (maybe if I didn't buy so many cars, tools, etc lol). Very nice chair and thank you for sharing sir.

Shocker · Nov 25, 2009

ovilla said:
That's a nice 348 for sure.

I do believe that it is a F355, like what you were interested in getting.

Kevin54 · Nov 25, 2009

The average market for an original one is $3500-5500 depending on age, condition, and wood/color. A Brazilian Rosewood and black leather one from 1956 (first year) in good, all original shape is of course the most desirable, and could definitely well exceed $6k.

For a price like that, the dog sure wouldn't be using it for his easy chair. :lol_hitti

As far as the above garage / man cave, I like it, but one would think it should be a little deeper than what it is. For that kind of coin it should be at least two cars deep

CraigFL · Nov 25, 2009

Shocker said:
I do believe that it is a F355, like what you were interested in getting.

It is a 355 because it doesn't have the cheese graters in the door.

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I had a 328 for a while. The person I bought it from gave me the receipt for the 30K service which was about $7,600. I did another 30K service myself for about $500. Sometimes when people quote what they paid for the 30K service, it seems very high because they had it done at a dealer. Dealers know that owners want to keep the car in perfect condition so the service usually includes other things besides the "recommended" items. You certainly don't want to skimp on the main items which are the timing belts, tensioners and idler pulleys because a broken one could easily be a $5K mistake for one bank and almost double that for both banks.

Question · Nov 25, 2009

Here's a couple of mill's worth in a local garage...

Todd.Brock · Nov 25, 2009

I was visiting some friends in Greenwich CT and saw an F50. We were walking around in the evening headed out. I looked to my side and saw an f50 in the store front. It was like a kid christmas shopping. I had visions of driving it through the glass window and screaming down the street!!

Stuart in MN · Nov 25, 2009

johno said:
Well I don't have a Ferrari, and i don't have an Eames chair,BUT I do have a an 82 Katana, I'm a lucky guy.

I have an Eames chair, and a 1982 Katana.

However, the only Ferrari I own is 12 inches long and sits on a shelf.

porschedude996TT · Nov 25, 2009

ovilla said:
That's a nice 348 for sure. I like working on cars but I just can't imagine having to drop a 348's motor/****** and rear suspension (it comes all out as one unit) every 30K or 3 years to do a "major" service to change the cam belts. You can also change the belts "in situ" (means by leaving the motor/****** in the car) by just removing the gas tank but you most likely won't be able to change anything else - which is why a lot of the Fcar folks don't like to do that. Anyway, parts alone will run an easy 1,500 every 30K and if you take it to a dealer, they charge $150/hr (specialist shops are anywhere from $75-$100/hr).

In case you haven't figured it out, yes, I've been doing a lot of research into these cars, especially since Fcar prices have come down significantly this year. The car in this picture can be picked up for a low of 50-60K, even more discounted if it needs a "major" service. Having said all this, I've always wanted one and hope to someday get a 355.

I was considering a Ferrari before I got into Porsche's 24 years ago. I learned that the engine needed to come out every few years and would have planned to do it myself as a hobby. Pulling the engine is not be as bad as it sounds. If you have a good lift and can make a dolly to hold the engine. Basically you raise the body off the engine. What made me choose the Porsche over the Ferrari was the fact that the parts are so much more plentiful and cheaper. Porsche’s are more of a production car while Ferrari’s are hand built. I like them both, but can’t afford the Ferrari at this point.

I like the viewing area above, it reminds me of a Surgical Gallery in an Operating Room. Must be nice to have that much money...LOL

Costner · Nov 25, 2009

chad s said:
The classic Eames chair is Brazilian rosewood and black leather, as introduced in 1956. The BR/black was the color that Charles Eames considered the best wood/color combo. Herman Miller has never stopped making them.

Interesting. I bought a used desk once for $50 and later found out it was a Herman Miller (designed by George Nelson). I've found the desk could be worth as much as $1500 but obviously nowhere near the price of an Eames chair. Still, thats a pretty good return on my money if I could ever find someone to buy it for that price.

Frankly I just want an Aeron for the desk - I could care less about the Eames.

justinmc · Nov 25, 2009

Costner said:
Interesting. I bought a used desk once for $50 and later found out it was a Herman Miller (designed by George Nelson). I've found the desk could be worth as much as $1500 but obviously nowhere near the price of an Eames chair. Still, thats a pretty good return on my money if I could ever find someone to buy it for that price.

Frankly I just want an Aeron for the desk - I could care less about the Eames.

I've always had a hankering for a Eames Aluminum Group chair for my desk chair. I've found a couple of repops being sold but prefer to go original if I can. Eventually I'll find one.

Funny how this thread diverged into a discussion of furniture..

mikeyr · Nov 25, 2009

e-tek said:
I've been looking at 308's lately (Magnum's Ferrari). A guy I know picked one up for 25K and he loves it. Easy to work on, just $$$ for parts.

Good choice if you want to do the work yourself. Love the carbed ones but in S. Calif. its too much of a pain to get them past smog every 2 years and I missed the sounds of the carbs sucking all that fuel and air behind me with the later FI ones.

Probably going to get a 328 next although there is a cheap 3.2 Mondial Cab here in town for sale right now, wife says I might be able to get that AND keep the Dino, the 328 I would have to sell the Dino to get, on the good side the Dino is worth more than a 328 so I would have cash left over.

The Mondial Cab needs its belts done but the beauty of a Cab is that there is a access panel behind the rear seat so no need to pull the motor

Iron-Iceberg · Nov 25, 2009

chad s said:
The classic Eames chair is Brazilian rosewood and black leather, as introduced in 1956. The BR/black was the color that Charles Eames considered the best wood/color combo. Herman Miller has never stopped making them.

The one pictured is 100% a Brazilian Rosewood, legit Herman Miller piece. They stopped making the Brazilian rosewood around 1990, because of the wood becoming endangered. The one shown is a post 1970-71 era one, as it has fuller stuffed cushions than the earlier all down filled version. The all down version didnt hold its shape well after a few years, and at Charles Eames request, they switched to a down and soft foam chips mix for a filler. An all down filled one will always have a more "tired" look to the cushions. The table next to the chair is also a Herman Miller built Isamu Noguchi designed piece.

I have studied this chair, its evolution, slight construction changes etc in great depth, and own an original Brazilian rosewood 670/671 chair and ottoman, built in 1975. The chair is currently available in cherry, walnut, and "Santos Palisander", which is the replacement for the rosewood. The walnut and cherry dont have the swirly grain that you see in the rosewood one in the Farari house. The Santos wood comes close in grain pattern, but the reddish color is not there.

Oh, and yea, the chair is very comfortable, just ask my dog Roscoe!

My Dad had one of those chairs when I was growing up. Must have been early 70s. Would that have been a real one or a knock off? My Dad might have steped up for a good chair if it was something he really liked.

Stuart in MN · Nov 25, 2009

Costner said:
Frankly I just want an Aeron for the desk - I could care less about the Eames.

I have a couple Herman Miller Equa chairs, one here in my office at work and another one in my office at home. They're sort of the predecessor to the Aeron, they have padded fabric upholstery instead of open mesh. I bought them several years ago for a pretty reasonable price; I found a local used office furniture place that had a whole room full of them, left over from some dot com company that had gone bust. If you have to sit at a desk all day, they're great chairs.

X1 Mike · Nov 25, 2009

galwaytt said:
....I like it.

I can't have it. But I still like it.

But the real classic in those pics is tucked away: 1980's Suzuki Katana - the original

Now that, I can have !

My thoughts exactly, but I was stoooooopid enough to sell my 83. :withstupi

One of the coolest bikes I've ever owned.

X1 Mike · Nov 25, 2009

johno said:
Well I don't have a Ferrari, and i don't have an Eames chair,BUT I do have a an 82 Katana, I'm a lucky guy.

Feel free to start a new thread.

james66g · Nov 26, 2009

Ok wow how this all became about a chair I dunno but i would love to see the plans for that house to really understand what i am looking at and what the outside looks like!

HOTFR8 · Nov 26, 2009

james66g said:
Ok wow how this all became about a chair I dunno but i would love to see the plans for that house to really understand what i am looking at and what the outside looks like!

Like you I would like to see more of that house / garage.

Matti · Nov 26, 2009

RbrtAWhyt said:
This is where everyone chimes in and proclaims how impractical it is and how its not a "real" garage because you cant grind, weld or paint in there, theres no grease stains on the floor, no tools any where, and why the hell is there a bathroom in there???

All good valid questions

daft_mx5 · Nov 26, 2009

chad s said:
I have the same chair he has. The car I dont think Ill ever be able to have though. Very cool.

Well then sir, you have good taste.
I just picked up an original with pony leather. Needs a little TLC on the metal but it was a steal.

Jaguar Fan · Nov 27, 2009

I don't have the car. I don't have the chair. I don't have the dog.

But I slept in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

lilclay81 · Nov 27, 2009

that is one amazing a garage

X1 Mike · Nov 27, 2009

Jaguar Fan said:
I don't have the car. I don't have the chair. I don't have the dog.

But I slept in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

In keeping with the theme of this thread going off topic. I really enjoy staying at a Holiday Inn Express when on the road. They always have fairly modern clean comfortable rooms for under a hundred bucks. I stayed at one for two weeks once while working at a Chrysler plant and they had free beer every night from 5-7 :beer:

ovilla · Nov 28, 2009

Shocker said:
I do believe that it is a F355, like what you were interested in getting.

Yes, that's right. See what happens when you surf on an i-phone? All Ferraris look a like.

ovilla · Nov 28, 2009

CraigFL said:
It is a 355 because it doesn't have the cheese graters in the door.

*******************************************************

I had a 328 for a while. The person I bought it from gave me the receipt for the 30K service which was about $7,600. I did another 30K service myself for about $500. Sometimes when people quote what they paid for the 30K service, it seems very high because they had it done at a dealer. Dealers know that owners want to keep the car in perfect condition so the service usually includes other things besides the "recommended" items. You certainly don't want to skimp on the main items which are the timing belts, tensioners and idler pulleys because a broken one could easily be a $5K mistake for one bank and almost double that for both banks.

Did people ever mess with your car? I'd like to get one some day but do think it would become a garage queen, since I would be afraid to take it anywhere that it would need to be left parked outside (like going to dinner or a movie). I have old Porsche's but people seem to not know what they are or they're just somewhat respectful and leave them alone. An Fcar would definitely draw a lot of attention and would most likely get damaged. I live in Chicagoland and do see a lot of Ferrari's, especially in the summer, but I've yet to ever see one actually parked by itself somewhere. I have to wonder if that's why folks never seem to drive these cars (besides the high cost of dealer maintenance). During the time you owned it, where did you take it and how many miles did you end up putting on it? Thanks

29bowtie · Nov 28, 2009

Thanks for showing us that "shrine"! I like that guy's style, and obvious passion for his rides. Too cool. :bowdown:

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