Mac closing Sabina Plant

caper · Feb 21, 2010

I don't know if this has been discussed yet or not,I can't remember seeing it,but Mac Tools has announced they are shutting down their Sabina tool plant putting all the employees out of work.

http://www.wnewsj.com/main.asp?SectionID=49&SubSectionID=156&ArticleID=181669

Bull · Feb 21, 2010

****. This part of the article ***** in a special way:

"41 of the 56 employees have a starting date that goes back at least 30 years."

So, when the Stanley rep says, [FONT=ARIAL, SANS SERIF]“The company made this decision in an attempt to strategically consolidate our worldwide operations into fewer facilities,” does that mean "We are going to move our **** overseas, son"?
[/FONT]

Mickey O · Feb 21, 2010

Fantastic, more import tools from Asia, more US citizens out of work. Keep buying them imports. :thumbup:

ourkid2000 · Feb 21, 2010

If they move it offshore instead, I will not buy a single Mac tool for the rest of my life.

Shadowdog500 · Feb 21, 2010

"41 of the 56 employees have a starting date that goes back at least 30 years."

So I guess Mac will give these 41 people a pension????

In a few years, the Harbor Freight truck will be pulling up at garages everywhere.

Chris

J.A.F.E. · Feb 21, 2010

I have been so pissed at stanley for this move. What a cheasy cheap move on their part. Of course they are going to replace the out put from the that plant with more imported dreck.

Most of those people have exactly zero chance of ever working in the field they devoted their lives to. The town of Sabina will likely be devasted.

I will from this point forward no longer buy any stanley product including Black and Decker/Dewalt.

All those greedy MBA's can go stick those Taiwan/Chinese/Vietnamese/whever the hell else they buy this **** made garbage and stick it where it will do the most good.

TireTracks · Feb 21, 2010

Mickey O said:
Fantastic, more import tools from Asia, more US citizens out of work. Keep buying them imports.

Would it matter if people bought more mac? I have a feeling most CO's would have just moved it over their anyway, like they are now.

Gotta have more profits so i can have that toilet made of americans dreams.

Bull · Feb 21, 2010

I've always liked you, J.A.F.E. :thumbup:

cruiser808 · Feb 21, 2010

caper said:
I don't know if this has been discussed yet or not,I can't remember seeing it,but Mac Tools has announced they are shutting down their Sabina tool plant putting all the employees out of work.

http://www.wnewsj.com/main.asp?SectionID=49&SubSectionID=156&ArticleID=181669

Damn - I have Sabina tools that served me well. Hopefully, all the USA tools I have now will last me until I die.

Gallick · Feb 21, 2010

My grandparents are from Sabina, it's a very small town and Mac was one of the only things they had, now it's gone too. Very sad.

volpster31 · Feb 21, 2010

this is what the result of buying imports is.. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.. if the corporate bastards saw that people didnt want chiwanese junk and sales for those tools were subpar,they would sure as hell make sure that their tools were clearly marked u.s.a

caper · Feb 21, 2010

J.A.F.E. said:
I have been so pissed at stanley for this move. What a cheasy cheap move on their part. Of course they are going to replace the out put from the that plant with more imported dreck.

Most of those people have exactly zero chance of ever working in the field they devoted their lives to. The town of Sabina will likely be devasted.

I will from this point forward no longer buy any stanley product including Black and Decker/Dewalt.

All those greedy MBA's can go stick those Taiwan/Chinese/Vietnamese/whever the hell else they buy this **** made garbage and stick it where it will do the most good.

I've been feeling the same for quite some time when it comes to the Stanley borg.I refuse to buy anything from the Stanley collective unless it's bought used so they don't profit from it.They pissed me off 15 yrs ago on a warranty for a tape measure I had for less than a week.I've not knowingly bought anything new from them since.

Hiball · Feb 21, 2010

volpster31 said:
this is what the result of buying imports is.. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.. if the corporate bastards saw that people didnt want chiwanese junk and sales for those tools were subpar,they would sure as hell make sure that their tools were clearly marked u.s.a

(Most) Corporate Bastards dont care what people want, All they care about is the bottom line and maximizing profit.

yellowbox · Feb 21, 2010

so sorry to hear this .....
in all the years i have been a tech , i can count on one hand how many mac tool trucks/dealers i met
in fact i do not own a single mac tool , cause they were never around to sell me tools
not being around to sell tools will most certainly result in lost sales........

t100 · Feb 21, 2010

I'd bet nobody is surprised. has Snap On been doing the same thing? someday, when you hand over your ratchet to your dealer for a warranty, the replacement could be a Chinese made one.

global72 · Feb 21, 2010

Wow just wow. When I was with Mac a few years ago that plant was one of the few things you could really get behind as a dealer.

As far as not buying anything Stanley. Well that actually takes some work. It is amazing how many companies they own and products they produce.

Mickey O · Feb 21, 2010

TireTracks said:
Would it matter if people bought more mac? I have a feeling most CO's would have just moved it over their anyway, like they are now.

Gotta have more profits so i can have that toilet made of americans dreams.

Would it make a difference, I doubt it, many people in this country have already shown a willingness to buy import tools to save a buck, and only to save a buck, regardless of how they try to justify it. But if everyone stopped buying import Mac and Stanley it might save Proto. But I doubt that will happen, greed and instant gratification have won out. Plus the Chinese need the money to develop new weapons technologies (the stuff they've been stealing isn't enough) to sell to countries like N. Korea and Iran.

Fedwrench · Feb 21, 2010

t100 said:
I'd bet nobody is surprised. has Snap On been doing the same thing? someday, when you hand over your ratchet to your dealer for a warranty, the replacement could be a Chinese made one.

but you won't know because Snap on is removing USA from their tools. :wtf:

We could have all bought MAC tools new from a dealer and they would still probably close the plant. When the head of mac tools comes from Taco bell and doesn't have a "tool" background, what do you expect? How many Stanley tools are made in the USA? Proto will be next....

oldtools · Feb 21, 2010

If the Sabina plant make MAC hard hand tools (wrench, socket, ratchet, etc....), does that mean future MAC hard hand tools no longer have "USA" on them? How many MAC plants are left in the US?

caper · Feb 21, 2010

global72 said:
As far as not buying anything Stanley. Well that actually takes some work. It is amazing how many companies they own and products they produce.

That's why my post says "knowingly".I've gotten bitten a couple times over the years but I usually try to avoid them if possible.

J.A.F.E. · Feb 21, 2010

global72 said:
... As far as not buying anything Stanley. Well that actually takes some work. It is amazing how many companies they own and products they produce.

Well then lets start a list.

Don't forget besides stanley branded tools they sell hardware as well with the stanley name. Some of these companies make locks and security products the borg has extended it's tentacles beyond tools and hardware.

Stanley tools
MAC
Bostitch
Facom
Proto
Husky
Sidchrome (Austrailia and New Zealand)
Black and Decker
Dewalt
FatMax
National
Safemasters
Best
Sargent and Greenleaf
Vidmar
Virax

krusty the clown · Feb 21, 2010

oldtools said:
If the Sabina plant make MAC hard hand tools (wrench, socket, ratchet, etc....), does that mean future MAC hard hand tools no longer have "USA" on them? How many MAC plants are left in the US?

not many, but they do still have plant's in texas.

Garys Garage · Feb 21, 2010

27 Years ago I bought a used Mac Ball joint press from a coworker who was going to be a Snap on salesman and he was switching over all his Mac tools. I used that ball joint press for over 20 years when one of my employees did not lube the threads and ruined the bolt and the frame. They warranted with an unbranded one (I am sure overseas.) It has not lasted 3 years and is total garbage. I am getting it replaced and trading it for this. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?item_ID=75395&group_ID=1631

Hiball · Feb 21, 2010

Mickey O said:
Would it make a difference, I doubt it, many people in this country have already shown a willingness to buy import tools to save a buck, and only to save a buck, regardless of how they try to justify it. But if everyone stopped buying import Mac and Stanley it might save Proto. But I doubt that will happen, greed and instant gratification have won out. Plus the Chinese need the money to develop new weapons technologies (the stuff they've been stealing isn't enough) to sell to countries like N. Korea and Iran.

You guys miss the big picture, The reason "people in this country show a willingness to buy import tools" IS because this corporations that used to proudly build things in America have outsourced there products to maximize there profits and it has completely flooded the market to a point where 80% (Might be a low figure) of the things we buy are imported and made with slave labor. When you stand back and look at general merchandise and the percentage of which are imported, tools are a such a small section. We are screwed People!!!

oldtools · Feb 21, 2010

Mickey O said:
Would it make a difference, I doubt it, many people in this country have already shown a willingness to buy import tools to save a buck, and only to save a buck, regardless of how they try to justify it. But if everyone stopped buying import Mac and Stanley it might save Proto. But I doubt that will happen, greed and instant gratification have won out. Plus the Chinese need the money to develop new weapons technologies (the stuff they've been stealing isn't enough) to sell to countries like N. Korea and Iran.

It is the US corporate greed that is at fault, not Chinese tools. Who cross-shopped between MAC and HF wrenches. Does HF deliver tools to mechanics in a truck? Greedy CEO want higher profit, so decide to move production to China.

If a plant close, blame the Chinese. If a company is doing poorly, blame the Chinese. If American consume/spend too much, blame the Chinese. If American get too fat, blame the Chinese, etc, etc,...

Mickey O · Feb 21, 2010

oldtools said:
It is the US corporate greed that is at fault, not Chinese tools. Who cross-shopped between MAC and HF wrenches. Does HF deliver tools to mechanics in a truck? Greedy CEO want higher profit, so decide to move production to China.

If a plant close, blame the Chinese. If a company is doing poorly, blame the Chinese. If American consume/spend too much, blame the Chinese. If American get too fat, blame the Chinese, etc, etc,...

It's not the child molesters fault, if it weren't for all those damn kids. Is there corporate greed, sure there is, but the people with the power are the consumers, if everyone in this country stopped buying GearWrench tools tomorrow (you don't have to have ratcheting wrenches, mechanics have gotten by without them for a very long time), they would go out of business, at least here in the states. A corporations job is to make money, as much money as they can and they will do whatever they can get away with to do so, and then add in the Government that regulates and taxes them to the point that the overseas option looks even better, this is where we are. If I opened the only food stand at Oak St. beach and served turnip and liver sandwiches I'd do really well because that's the only food available there, right? The people of this country have all the power unfortunately many don't use or waste it. What blows me away is that we are paying for the cheap products is many more ways and at a cost so much greater than the money "saved", but that's what greed does to people.

Hiball · Feb 21, 2010

Mickey O said:
It's not the child molesters fault, if it weren't for all those damn kids. Is there corporate greed, sure there is, but the people with the power are the consumers, if everyone in this country stopped buying GearWrench tools tomorrow (you don't have to have ratcheting wrenches, mechanics have gotten by without them for a very long time), they would go out of business, at least here in the states. A corporations job is to make money, as much money as they can and they will do whatever they can get away with to do so, and then add in the Government that regulates and taxes them to the point that the overseas option looks even better, this is where we are. If I opened the only food stand at Oak St. beach and served turnip and liver sandwiches I'd do really well because that's the only food available there, right? The people of this country have all the power unfortunately many don't use or waste it. What blows me away is that we are paying for the cheap products is many more ways and at a cost so much greater than the money "saved", but that's what greed does to people.

Ill agree with you on many of those points but i consider Most of the GJ members who frequent the "General Tool" section to be on the up and up when classifying tool origins, But the general public doesnt have that knowledge and even we sometimes stumble when being duped by manufactures. If everyone stopped buying Gearwrench and Imported tools tomorrow we would lose more American jobs, Its sad but even the selling of import goods still puts food on the table of americans. Until companies start taking pride in producing American goods we we'll never get out of this funk. It sounds great to bash Import tools but if you dont start at the top your wasting your time.

krusty the clown · Feb 21, 2010

Garys Garage said:
27 Years ago I bought a used Mac Ball joint press from a coworker who was going to be a Snap on salesman and he was switching over all his Mac tools. I used that ball joint press for over 20 years when one of my employees did not lube the threads and ruined the bolt and the frame. They warranted with an unbranded one (I am sure overseas.) It has not lasted 3 years and is total garbage. I am getting it replaced and trading it for this. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?item_ID=75395&group_ID=1631

the ball joint press was sourced from OTC......can't blame MAC for that.

X1 Mike · Feb 21, 2010

Hiball said:
It sounds great to bash Import tools but if you dont start at the top your wasting your time.

You are 100% right on the money, it starts at the top.

Who's at the top?

The consumer, if we demand the cheapest tool possible it is in a companies best interest to figure out how to provide it. People no longer demand American made products so companies go offshore. To survive a company must adapt to a changing reality.

Garys Garage · Feb 21, 2010

krusty the clown said:
the ball joint press was sourced from OTC......can't blame MAC for that.

Mac bought the POS from OTC

t100 · Feb 21, 2010

I have to agree with Hillball. Snap On, Danaher(Matco), Stanley(MAC), these are all multi-billion dollar companies. each of them spends millions of dollars each year on market research, when they stopped putting "made in U.S.A." on their tools because these reports say MAJORITY of customers don't care about it, you bet they are right.

most of the members on this forum care, myself included. but how many of us are out there?

I sold my cellphone this past week on CL, I agreed to drop it off at the buyer's work on friday right before his shop closed. I went there, it's a medium sized repair shop, 6 techs were working at that time. we had a little chat about half an hour, asked him couple things about my car, seems to be a very smart guy. also, we talked about tools, which NONE of those guys know that some of the Snap On tools are made in China now, neither do they care. I asked why? he said, I'm too busy to do my work, as long as the tools work as they are supposed to, and the toolman can get it fixed/replaced when it breaks, I'm fine. I'm too tired to just look at my tools after work. I've be working here 20 years, I buy tools off the truck even Sear's is just cross the street, I don't have time or want to walk over there.

isn't that most of the mechanics life like?

p.s. None of the guys over there knew what the heck "Wright Tool" is. sad.

stricht8 · Feb 21, 2010

Maybe I'm wrong but I'm under the impression that most people who buy tool truck branded tools expect USA made tools. I can't see how MAC could possibly benefit in the long run by moving production to Asia. It's a little different with non tool truck stuff since those tools are sold more to homeowners who usually don't care where the tools are made.

Hiball · Feb 21, 2010

X1 Mike said:
You are 100% right on the money, it starts at the top.

Who's at the top?

The consumer, if we demand the cheapest tool possible it is in a companies best interest to figure out how to provide it. People no longer demand American made products so companies go offshore. To survive a company must adapt to a changing reality.

LOL.. Consumers havent been at the top for over 40 years, also Consumers dont always want the cheapest tool. Most of the time it whats they can afford because companies that produce "American made products" are dissapearing as are there Blue Collar Jobs and Wages. Dont buy the hype that all companies are moving production overseas to adapt, its just not the case. Yes, your gonna have companies that have to downsize during tough times and thats nothing new to the American business, Its being going on since the inception of time.

speed bump · Feb 21, 2010

Not really surprising considering 3 things.
1.) Taxes are pretty high in that area
2.) Its expensive to try and upgrade any plant in the US without doing a lot of environmental impact studies and misc other upgrades (read mostly buying off lawyers).
3.) Power is expensive in this country and if the clowns in charge along with albert idiot gore get their way no one will be able to make anything in this country because of the power cost.

X1 Mike · Feb 21, 2010

Hiball said:
LOL.. Consumers havent been at the top for over 40 years, also Consumers dont always want the cheapest tool. Most of the time it whats they can afford because companies that produce "American made products" are dissapearing as are there Blue Collar Jobs and Wages. Dont buy the hype that all companies are moving production overseas to adapt, its just not the case. Yes, your gonna have companies that have to downsize during tough times and thats nothing new to the American business, Its being going on since the inception of time.

I double dog dare you to walk into any Wal-Mart in the United States and tell me the consumer isn't at the top. The consumer talks with the dollar and says give me junk. Bottom line the average consumer is an idiot and doesn't realize that their micro-economics decision is multiplied by a million other idiots and becomes a macro-economics decision. If people weren't bending over backwards to buy Tiawan and China made tools there is no way in hell Mac would source from there.

Hiball · Feb 21, 2010

X1 Mike said:
I double dog dare you to walk into any Wal-Mart in the United States and tell me the consumer isn't at the top. The consumer talks with the dollar and says give me junk. Bottom line the average consumer is an idiot and doesn't realize that their micro-economics decision is multiplied by a million other idiots and becomes a macro-economics decision. If people weren't bending over backwards to buy Tiawan and China made tools there is no way in hell Mac would source from there.

Did you seriously bring Walmart into this discussion? Listen.. Regardless if the the average consumer is a idiot or not you guys are missing the fact that the majority of goods offered to the "idiots" is imported in todays world. They dont have to bend over backwards to buy imported goods, There being shoved down are throats especially if there shopping at Wallyworld. With that said not all imported tools are junk, there are many quality companies out there that produce nice products. There not always kosher with the "Buy American or Die" Crowd but nevertheless decent tools.

doug.j · Feb 21, 2010

Eventually overseas manufactures will wise up and realize they need to market and distribute their goods to the consumers. US companies won't have anything to offer..

X1 Mike · Feb 22, 2010

Hiball said:
Did you seriously bring Walmart into this discussion? Listen.. Regardless if the the average consumer is a idiot or not you guys are missing the fact that the majority of goods offered to the "idiots" is imported in todays world. They dont have to bend over backwards to buy imported goods, There being shoved down are throats especially if there shopping at Wallyworld. With that said not all imported tools are junk, there are many quality companies out there that produce nice products. There not always kosher with the "Buy American or Die" Crowd but nevertheless decent tools.

Why are they imported?

Because consumers want a 52 plasma tv for $199 sorry bub we gotta offshore at that price. Same thing with a ratchet, you will never get anywhere with me telling me the consumer is powerless. the consumer drives the market period end of discussion.

Mickey O · Feb 22, 2010

t100 said:
I have to agree with Hillball. Snap On, Danaher(Matco), Stanley(MAC), these are all multi-billion dollar companies. each of them spends millions of dollars each year on market research, when they stopped putting "made in U.S.A." on their tools because these reports say MAJORITY of customers don't care about it, you bet they are right.

most of the members on this forum care, myself included. but how many of us are out there?

I sold my cellphone this past week on CL, I agreed to drop it off at the buyer's work on friday right before his shop closed. I went there, it's a medium sized repair shop, 6 techs were working at that time. we had a little chat about half an hour, asked him couple things about my car, seems to be a very smart guy. also, we talked about tools, which NONE of those guys know that some of the Snap On tools are made in China now, neither do they care. I asked why? he said, I'm too busy to do my work, as long as the tools work as they are supposed to, and the toolman can get it fixed/replaced when it breaks, I'm fine. I'm too tired to just look at my tools after work. I've be working here 20 years, I buy tools off the truck even Sear's is just cross the street, I don't have time or want to walk over there.

isn't that most of the mechanics life like?

p.s. None of the guys over there knew what the heck "Wright Tool" is. sad.

He'll care if he needs to sell them (maybe after a shop full of and run by illegal aliens opens up down the block charging half what he charges), there's not a long line of people waiting to pay top dollar for Chinese Snap On tools. Just look what used GearWrench tools are selling for, pennies on the dollar out here.

Hiball · Feb 22, 2010

doug.j said:
Eventually overseas manufactures will wise up and realize they need to market and distribute their goods to the consumers. US companies won't have anything to offer..

How nice would it be for American Busines's not to be Lazy and import goods and instead produce a quality product that is affordable? God knows there are plenty of small towns that are offering Tax incentives to Manufacturers, begging them to bring jobs to there area. If we as Americans are gonna build a strong economy again we need to take small steps and limit the amount of imports coming into our country. There is no Quick fix, We cant sacrifice jobs by totally condemning the jobs we currently have because they support imported goods.

X1 Mike said:
Why are they imported?

Because consumers want a 52 plasma tv for $199 sorry bub we gotta offshore at that price. Same thing with a ratchet, you will never get anywhere with me telling me the consumer is powerless. the consumer drives the market period end of discussion.

Uhh.. How many American companies produce Plasma Tv's? What do you think the percentage is on American made products vs. Imports?

Bub.

Mac closing Sabina Plant

Well-known member

Super Moderator

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Super Moderator

Well-known member

Active member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

ALLIANCE MEMBER

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Member Emeritus

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Member Emeritus

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member