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1/2" Impact Comparison: IR VS. Aircat

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Okay. I bought an Aircat Nitro Cat off of eBay for $163 shipped. Disclaimer: I've used it for exactly one day at work. Should my opinion change after a week, month, etc... I'll be sure to chime back in.

The past three months, I've used a 1/2" drive Ingersoll-Rand 2135Ti and a 3/8" IR 2112 exclusively at work. Pulling heads, rotating a jillion sets of tires, front suspension work, brakes, struts... Well, I've got a fairly good idea what the IR Titanium is made of.

The aircat is about a 1/4" taller from the base of the grip to the top of the handle, and the metal motor housing on the front of the gun is about 1/2" longer. They're very close to the same size, but the Ti is smaller.

The Ti is also lighter. Obviously, since the Aircat has a steel (I assume) front housing, it'll weight more than the Ti. It's also a bit nose-heavy, since that's where the weight differnce lies. Hefting the steel-front IR composite gun (the IR 2131) has me believeing the Aircat is a bit lighter than the 2131, but heavier than the 2135.

The IR also has the edge as far as it's track record: I know how long an IR gun will last in everyday service, and that's not the case with the Aircat. However, since Mac Tools is rebadging Nitro Cat guns, I assume that (1)They are going to have to warranty them, and (2)they've tested them extensively and have faith in their durability.

The IR's forward/reverse buttons are also something the Aircat is missing, so it's not a one-handed affair to change directions with the gun like with the Ti. However, I believe that may be a benefit, as I know of more than one Ti owner whose had the housing/button wear against each other enough that they continually fall out - the only cure is a new housing.

Now, sit down, becase I'm about to tell you that those are the only areas where the IR is superior.

The Aircat is MUCH quieter than the already quiet Ti gun, and it has about exactly the same amount of oomph. The standard Aircat uses the same Twin-Hammer mechanism as the Ti, and I believe would behave the same. The Nitro Cat uses a "twin clutch" system that vibrates in your hand about half as much as a Ti does.

Twin Clutch vs. Twin Hammer

I pulled the valvebody out of a 4L60E-equipped Blazer today to repair the TCC: The converter was locking & unlocking continuously on the highway. First time I've used an impact to remove that many fasteners THAT close to my ear without earplugs. Do not get me wrong: The Ti is a great gun that's VERY quiet when compared to pretty much any steel-housing gun with a decent amount of torque. But it can't touch the aircat in this category. That thing is SOOOOO quiet it's rediculous. The tech in the bay across from me actually asked me what I was using, he noticed the LACK of noise. And he's also used to the Ti. The best way I can describe it is that it's about as loud as a Ti gun with the regulator knob on the back set to the lowest setting. It's quiet. :D


Next job was to pull the rusty lugnuts and caliper brackets off of an F-150 in order to turn the rotors. I was worried at this point, because the gun was so quiet and so smooth when tightening something as much as it could, that I thought the gun was pretty weak. My faith was restored when the Ti had to hammer for 5-10 seconds to break that same fastener free. Normally you torque a bolt with a weak impact, and the Ti will run it off without even hammering on it. So I gunned it down with the Ti, and used the Aircat to take it off. Same thing. The guns were about the same strength with this guesstimation: The aircat was a little bit heavier, but much quieter.

Last job of the day (actually not mine, but the previously mentioned tech across from me who runs a Ti) was a Volvo S70 getting regular service. Tire rotation, except some lube monkey ran the lugs down tight with an impact and they were RUSTY. When the first lug took 15 seconds of hammering in the reverse direction, tightening it, and then running it out to remove with a Ti, it looked like a good test for the Aircat. Once again, the two guns proved to be about exactly the same strength. Twice the Aircat removed a lug bolt that the Ti wouldn't, but that was after the Ti was rapping on it for 15 seconds and might have helped. But once again, the Aircat didn't shake the heck out of your wrist like the Ti: Glass smooth when beating on a frozen fastener, and once again it was quiet as anything.

So far, I love this gun. Especially at about half the cost of the 2135Ti. Don't get me wrong: Last week I would have sworn the IR Titanium guns were the best thing since sliced bread. However, this gun may just be better. :D
 

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Oh, let me add this, too, since I think it sums up my opinion of the Aircat design pretty well:

Last week I was thinking I would eventually need a 3/8" gun for the garage, once I have a compressor up & running, and use a IR 2112 at work. Now, I'm looking at the Aircat 3/8" guns... thinking I can buy that one for work, and keep the Ti gun at home.

Not only are they good, they're so incredibly affordable... at least, compared to the Ti's. :)
 

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Since I have the 2112 and the 2135ti at the shop, I still need one for home. Because I have liked the handiness of the 2112, I am thinking of the Aircat 1350TC. 1/2" anvil in a 3/8" body, although I find different torque listings between the manufacturer and the retailer.
Now, if I can keep it from migrating.....:thumbup:


Thanks for the review, please remember to update down the road!
 
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Get an Aircat. You won't regret it. I'm just waiting to see if the 3/8" drive nitrocat pops up on eBay any cheaper, before I buy one next week.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230046175943

So far it looks like I can get it for under $140 including shipping. I've used it a bunch more today, and I seriously love this gun. One of the other techs was talking to me toyday while I rotated a set of tires - yeah, he had to raise his voice, but we were having a conversation with the gun in use.

There's no way to avoid hearing damage with a gun like the thunder gun or an IR 231 unless you wear earplugs. With the Titanium guns, they're a LOT quieter than an old-school gun, but I still wore earplugs because they were still fairly loud, and you had to YELL to be heard over it. The Aircat specs say it's about 10 dB quieter than the Ti (86 vs 95), which equates to half the volume. I'd definitely believe it - this thing is super quiet. :)

On the differing specs, are you referring to the 1/2" mini being rated at 700 ft/lb and the 3/8" being rated at 500, even though the only difference is the anvil size? Be warned that they apprently use torque specs to match IR's "Nut Busting Torque" rating of 1,000 ft/lb on the 2135. Expect a gun just as strong as your current 2135 or 2112, and you'll be dead on. They're almost the exact same strength, and I see no reason for the 3/8" version to be any different. ;)

The wierdest thing is that the Aircat is so quiet and doesn't shudder in your hand - so it "feels" REALLY weak compared to the Ti. But the fasteners don't seem to be able to tell the diffence. :thumbup:
 
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The SK uses the same twin-hammer setup that the IR uses. My guess is that it's basically a copy of the Ingersoll composite line. That means you'll have a pretty good idea what to expect.

I would guess that IR must have a patent on the forward/reverse buttons - but not on the twin-hammer design, since no one who builds a powerful, plastic gun uses the quick-change buttons... but they all use the same mechanism.

So the aircat will probably be smoother and quieter than the SK, as well. Don't hear me wrong on the weight: The only thing the aircat is heavier than (Titanium IR) is the lightest gun on the market. I never actually noticed the difference when I was using it all day - it wasn't annoying at all... but when you hefted 'em side by side there was a difference...

I do not know where the Aircat is made. Given the lack of a huge "Made in USA" badge on the box, I would guess, not here. The big question is: Do YOU know where the SK is made? Almost every tool company farms out their pneumatic tool manufacturing to someone else - does SK?
 

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TNToy said:
The SK uses the same twin-hammer setup that the IR uses. My guess is that it's basically a copy of the Ingersoll composite line. That means you'll have a pretty good idea what to expect.

I would guess that IR must have a patent on the forward/reverse buttons - but not on the twin-hammer design, since no one who builds a powerful, plastic gun uses the quick-change buttons... but they all use the same mechanism.

So the aircat will probably be smoother and quieter than the SK, as well. Don't hear me wrong on the weight: The only thing the aircat is heavier than (Titanium IR) is the lightest gun on the market. I never actually noticed the difference when I was using it all day - it wasn't annoying at all... but when you hefted 'em side by side there was a difference...

I do not know where the Aircat is made. Given the lack of a huge "Made in USA" badge on the box, I would guess, not here. The big question is: Do YOU know where the SK is made? Almost every tool company farms out their pneumatic tool manufacturing to someone else - does SK?

I believe there was a post here about the SK guns. They were listed on Ebay as bing made in the USA, and the poster said when he contacted SK, they said, No they are not.
 

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The AirCat composite impacts are nice:thumbup: , has anyone used any of their other air tools yet (cutoff guns, drills, etc)?
 

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Was given a Mac tools mini catalog last week. Finally got through it this morning, they are rebranding and selling the aircats.
The one I was looking at online $69.99 +shipping, in the Mac catalog $209.
 

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What aircat is $70? I'm guessing a ratchet or something. It's definitely not an impact...


They have been selling so well, he has up'd them to $75 (buy it now). YES IT'S an IMPACT. The one I was looking at was the old standard (they list it at less specs then Aircat does), but it is 1/2" drive in a 3/8" body.
 
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Found it. (This one)

I'd really love to buy an AirCat to compare my NitroCat to. Since it uses the same mechanism as the IR, I'm betting it'd handle diffferently from the NitroCat's twin-clutch design - more vibration in the handle/wrist because the hammers rotate left/right instead of the clutches which pund front/rear. But I just can't bring myself to look at anything other than the nitrocat lineup - dang. :D
 
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Okay. I bought an Aircat Nitro Cat off of eBay for $163 shipped. Disclaimer: I've used it for exactly one day at work. Should my opinion change after a week, month, etc... I'll be sure to chime back in.

Well it's been a while now, and it finally happened. I removed something with an IR Titanium that the NitroCat couldn't get off. :(

I was doing an alignment on a car and had to adjust the front camber. This requires loosening the two large bolts at the bottom of the strut that hold it to the knucke, while the tire is still on. You take a deep 21mm, stick a swivel on it, and snake your gun in there from under the car to do it quick and fast.

Well, a swivel and a deep socket on a partially-rounded fastener, through a tiny 1/4" air hose instead of the 3/8" one I usually use? It wasn't an ideal situation for maximum torque. I can FEEL the power loss trying to run my 'Cat through the tiny hoses built into our alignment rack every time I do it - it's very obvious. This was really a worst-case scenario. A wobble joint seriously cuts down on how hard the gun hammers on things.

Anyway... wailed on it with the nitrocat for about 20 seconds reverse, then forward, then back to reverse. Grabbed a Ti from another tech... and the nut sloooowwwwly backed off in about 5 seconds.

So it appears the NitroCat is not quite as powerful as the Titanium. But it's really, really close. I'm still going to be using this gun all the time even though it appears that it doesn't win the uber-torque contest. It's quiet, and I like my hearing. And even if it's down 5, 10, or 50 ft lbs. on the IR it's still realy strong. And more importantly, I can buy a 3/8" and a 1/2" aircat for the price of the 2135Ti.

Hope it helps. Just trying to be as fair as possible. It's possible that the NitroCat just isn't as efficient as the IR - maybe the IR just does better when starved of the nessecary volume to run full-bore. I do know that that nut would have come loose if I hadn't been running the AirCat through a straw, on a swivel joint.

For those of you using a pencil-thin 1/4" hose... stop. Go buy a 3/8" one with 1/4" fittings on the ends. ;)
 
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1/4" air hose? I think all my stuff is 3/8" (the Goodyear hose at Harbor Freight)... in fact, I don't remember ever seeing 1/4" air hose....
 
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Maybe I have that wrong on the sizing. I'm not sure.

Either way, there's two common sizes of air hose. A thinner one, and a larger diameter one. I pretty much always use the thicker one. The hose on the alimgent rack I was using is that thin, hard coiled plastic stuff. Really restricts your airflow...
 

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Maybe I have that wrong on the sizing. I'm not sure.

Either way, there's two common sizes of air hose. A thinner one, and a larger diameter one. I pretty much always use the thicker one. The hose on the alimgent rack I was using is that thin, hard coiled plastic stuff. Really restricts your airflow...
Oh those hoses.... yeah I know what you mean. And I avoid those pieces of s*** like the plague!
 

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There IS a reason they tell you you need a 3/8 hose on the box...
 
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Exactly. Now skipping the coiled plastic hoses...

There are still two common sizes of rubber hose. One has a 1/4" inside diameter, and is about half an inch thick. That's the one I was telling you to skip... and I do see a lot of people using them.

The larger hose with a 3/8" inside diameter is around 5/8" or 3/4" thick, and you can definitely tell the difference when you're used to running the gun with this hose all day... and switch to the smaller one. ;)
 
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The only problem with ToolTopia is they don't sell the NitroCat in 3/8" drive. And I need to order one.

They have the nitro in 1/2" and 1/2"-in-3/8"-body flavors. But they only sell the twin hammer standard aircat in 3/8" drive. So I've gotta do like LKMNO did and buy one on ebay. I keep putting one bid on 'em and getting out-bid. I refuse to pay more than $130 + $7 to ship... since the auctions come up constantly, I'm not going to bid one up to $150 just to get it right now.

I should have bought all the aircats I wanted on eBay... THEN posted my review of it all over the place. DUH! :(
 

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The 3/8 nitro's are tough to find. Try searching "exhaust technologies" its the official company name. You should find a few links, I know I did
 
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I just recieved my 1/2" Nitrocat, this thing is awesome! Noise level is actually lower than my 250 ft lb toolkit impact. Took the cheap gun & hammered a lugnut on for 10 sec then switched to the Nitrocat heard da da da vroom. Next took the nitrocat on the lowest setting & tightened it back on & decided to stop while it was still turning & switched back to the cheap gun, wouldn't touch it. Next test was to hand torque a nut to 150 lbs with a torque wrench then loosen it with the cat, same thing, 2 or 3 impacts then spins off where the cheap gun would hammer on it for a second or so before loosening it. This was running 3/8" hose with type V hvlp fittings on both guns at 90psi. Don't have a good gun to compare it to but it blows away the cheapies.
 
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UPDATE:

Still satisfied as anything over here. I just bought a 3/8" Nitrocat off of eBay today. Finally. Been hurting for a 3/8" gun for a while...

If you're in the market for a 1/2" drive gun, Tooltopia has the Nitrocat for $134 to your door. I just wish they had a 3/8" ntircat - I would have bought there.
http://www.tooltopia.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=24880

Anyone whose bought an Aircat/Nitrocat recently, post up your review in here, please. :D
 

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The Nitrocat got a bit of a workout the other day. Buddy brought over his 4wd pickup & used it to loosen the locking hub bolts on the front wheels. Earlier in the day he had tried it at home using a 4' cheater bar & bounced up & down on it with all 200 lbs with no luck. I was in the house watching the kids but he told me that it hammered on the drivers side for 15-20 seconds before spinning it off, the passenger side came off after about 3-5 seconds. Earlier in the day I figured what the heck & got under my 84 dodge ram pickup that has been run thru some of our michigan winters & took out 2 of the bumper mount bolts that go thru the frame just to see if it would do it. Due to rust, it hammered on them all the way off but made steady progress never stalling out. Cleaned them up & put them back figuring that if it took these off shouldn't be anything that I do that it won't either loosen or break off. I'm with TNT, when it's time for a 3/8" gun it will be a nitrocat. Looking thru the specs, the 3/8" nitrocat is stronger than a lot of 1/2" guns & the 1/2" is stronger than several 3/4" guns:thumbup:
 

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I got that 1/2 nitrocat for christmas and LOVE it. Strong, quiet, its fantastic. My buddy came over and was using it (he has the ti) and he liked how it felt (doesn't beat on you) and how quiet it was. When I told him the price he got real bitter. :D
 
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...When I told him the price he got real bitter. :D
Yeah. That's the best part.

If this gun cost MORE than a $300 2135Ti... I don't know if I'd have gone for it. Probably, but I would have thought a lot more about it first.

Fortunately, parting with $300 for an Aircat isn't something I have to justify. :D
 

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what is the difference between the ACA1000-M, ACA1000-TH and the ACA1000-TC? I see that the TH is cheaper and that the M has flames but other than that I haven't seen the spec differences.
 

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In your comparison I might have missed it but are you comparing 2 similarly sized guns? Are they both capable of 500 lb feet? Or are you comparing a 450 lb ft aircat to a 1000 lb TI? This sight has good prices on aircats. I have a snapon blue point that I like but if I could sell it I would buy an aircat in a second. Anyone interested in a snapon/bluepoint 1/2" gun? Brand new. Changed a set of coilovers in my sons EVO, that's the only time its been used. 150 plus shipping/
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/...=mode+matchallpartial&Dx=mode+matchallpartial
 

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The TH is twin hammer & the TC is twin clutch. The twin clutch doesn't hit as often as the twin hammer but hits harder according to their faq. Most of the traditional impacts like IR use twin hammer, Aircat is the only one I have seen that does the twin clutch. It is real smooth, quiet & powerful, I didn't notice much if any vibration even when taking off rusty bumper mount bolts on an 18 yr old pickup. According to the site the Nitrocat is aircats premium offering, I'm real happy with mine. Far as longevity goes, however many weeks TNT's lasts, mine should last that many years with the amount of use it'll get around here. Right now I should be good to about 2020 :beer:
 
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what is the difference between the ACA1000-M, ACA1000-TH and the ACA1000-TC? I see that the TH is cheaper and that the M has flames but other than that I haven't seen the spec differences.

TH - Twin hammer gun. This is the mechanism that most everyone else uses. Louder and shakes more, but proven and very durable.

TC - Twin clutch. Unique to the Nitrocat as far as I know. Much smoother operation, and instead of a sound like an incredibly loud 'jingle' or 'rattle' it just ticks like a vehicle with a bad lifter or the exhaust leak from hell. If you look at the exploded diagram posted earlier by me, the primary moving parts (the hammers, or clutches, depending)... a twin hammer has two rotating hammers that spin inside the casing. The clutches move front-rear, and this would explain why the Nitrocat is easier on your wrists.

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In your comparison I might have missed it but are you comparing 2 similarly sized guns? Are they both capable of 500 lb feet? Or are you comparing a 450 lb ft aircat to a 1000 lb TI?
The Nitrocat with the twin-clutch mechanism is what I've got. Both Ingersoll-Rand's 2135TI and Aircat's Nitrocat are rated at 600 ft/lb... with a theoretical ability to loosen a fastener torqued to 100 ft/lb if it hammers on it for a while. As is the case with most everyone else, the salesmen like to put the larger number in big, bold letters.

I personally feel that all guns are over-rated. A 250 ft/lb gun that's $28 from Home Depot can't hardly torque a bolt to 100ft/lb to save it's life. There's no way my Nitrocat has struggled with the fasteners it has, which are worst-case vehicle bolts (large suspension-component bolts that haven't been removed in 120,000+ miles) if it can actually bust loose a 600 ft/lb bolt.

But the IR is it's primary competitor, and is over-rated equally with this one. They're both about he same strength. It's just that when I've used a Titanium gun after becoming used to my Nitrocat... it's loud as f*@&-ing hell. And until I used the aircat, that was the quietest gun I'd ever seen.

This sight has good prices on aircats. I have a snapon blue point that I like but if I could sell it I would buy an aircat in a second. Anyone interested in a snapon/bluepoint 1/2" gun? Brand new. Changed a set of coilovers in my sons EVO, that's the only time its been used. 150 plus shipping/
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/...=mode+matchallpartial&Dx=mode+matchallpartial
It's a Snap-On tool. Trade it in on the Snap-On truck for $$ toward some handtools you badly need. I traded my 3/8" Snap-On gun in, and got myself a 3/8" Nitrocat last week. He'll gladly take a like-new tool back at a loss to you, and turn around and sell it at the next shop down the road for $50 more. ;)

And here's the review right now... :D
 
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Okay. So I FINALLY managed to weasel a 3/8" Nitrocat out from under yall's noses on eBay. I'll never make the mistake of telling you all to hit eBay for a tool, until I've bought all of MINE first. :p :D

Here's some direct comparison pictures of the 1/2" and 3/8" Nitrocats. Been using the 3/8" gun for 4 or 5 days, and loving it. You have no idea how LIGHT that gun is. It feels about the same weight as my 1/4" air ratchet. My composite IR 1200 3/8" air ratchet weighs than this thing!

I've been using it to remove lugs during services, since it's so light you can fling it around in one hand. The 1/2" Nitro is light and all, but not like this thing. :D

Noise? I thought the 1/2" was quiet, but the 3/8" is amazing. Conversations with it going vrrrrrrrrr in the background aren't at all difficult.
 

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I added the 3/8 Nitrocat to my collection about 3 months ago; fantastic wrench - has almost the power of most 1/2" impacts and is so light and quiet. It's a great complement to my IR 2135TI and IR 2131.
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The 3/8 nitrocat is on the top of my list of air tools to get since I don't care much for my snap on gun. A guy at work is trying to tell me to get the new snap on 3/8 at over $300 and there is no way I will have another snap on impact. I told him about the ir titaniums and the nitrocat but he swears by all snap on 3/8s impacts even though they are almost twice the price.
 

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I also have the Blue Point AT355A 3/8" impact; it does not come near the power of the 3/8" Nitrocat and cost half as much ...
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Oh, you mean this one. ;)

One of the guys at work was out for 3 months when he cut his hand open with a utility knife. Dude has every snap-on tool made. I had been using a Titanium 3/8" drive IR at the time, and asked him if I could borrow the MG31 to try it out while he was gone. He let me, and I used it for about 5 fasteners - did the swaybar links on the back of an S80 with it, or tried to. Wouldn't zip then down without the tie-rod end spinning. The IR did. The Snappy had nowhere near the power of either my 3/8" IR or the new Nitrocat.

I also used to own the old standy Snap-On 3/8" gun, the IM31. Traded it in and got a Nitrocat.

So I've used all 4 guns you either own, or are looking to own. Trust me, get a Nitrocat. It's the best of the 4. It also has two awesome attributes: Price, and the ability to literally use it all day without damaging your hearing. Most techs my age won't care about that until they're 55 and mostly deaf. But I do.

The primary benefit to Snappy impacts is lifespan. They last at least 5 years if oiled several times a week (I actually do oil my Nitrocats twice a day) and they're always $75 to get rebuilt, no questions, even if 'rebuilt' requires a whole new gun.

The Titanium IRs dont last nearly as long as the metal-cased Snap-Ons, but have more power and weigh less and are quieter. The Aircats do everything IR does even *better* ... but the lifespan is the X factor.

So far my 1/2" is still working like it's brand new, after removing and re-installing about 8,000 lugnuts by my math (8 cars/day over 50 work days since purchased)... and that's not including all the other, much tighter fasteners that got worked on once the tires were off.
 
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