Yeah I have the im31 and the guy at work just bought the mg31 and is telling me how much power it has. I will have to quit buying other tools and buy a 3/8 nitrocat. I don't think I will ever get the 1/2 since the IR ti's everyone at work has tried usually doesn't last a year before needing a rebuild.
1/2" Impact Comparison: IR VS. Aircat
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I'll let you know in a year or two how the IR Ti and the Nitrocat compare. One of the guys at work just bought the re-badged Matco version of the 2135Ti, so we bought ours within weeks of each other.
Whichever one dies first, I'll be sure to post up. I suppose it won't be a straight comparison, though... since mine is oiled twice a day, and I haven't seen him oil his at all yet.
Whichever one dies first, I'll be sure to post up. I suppose it won't be a straight comparison, though... since mine is oiled twice a day, and I haven't seen him oil his at all yet.
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i had bought mac tool aw434 2 year ago for 75 dollars and it work good as i bought it when it did rebuilt and it is really loud as other techs told me to quiet down. then i got snap on IM5100 (50 dollars as snap on guy tried sell it quick so sold me for 50 dollars instead 100 dollars.) i had both and it work me really good but my work get tired of my louder air tools. so i did buy it now IR 2135ti rebuilt by IR service center for 125 dollars in ebay then 7 dollars to shipping. so when i got it and use it in my work. they starting looking at me and what is that air tool that are quieter than my snap on and mac tools impact wrenches. they are happy that i got IR2135ti as very powerful and quieter. but i found out that someone take off muffler on my snap on im5100 before i bought and mac tool aw434 that have no muffler. i dont care how much loud of it made but i need it to work. i am deaf so i only need buy tool to service me good and long time. i still use my snap on im5100 for tires rotation and brakes. i dont need powerful impact to work on simple work that only use for 10 mins.
I always lube oil in my all air tools as i use Lucas air tool lube bottle that sell 5 dollars for one bottle as about 50oz or more. it is really good for my air tools.
I always lube oil in my all air tools as i use Lucas air tool lube bottle that sell 5 dollars for one bottle as about 50oz or more. it is really good for my air tools.
I have to give the IR TI credit since a guy at work has used his to take off cutting edge bolts on a scraper that were either put on with a 3/4 or 1" impact. I do believe that has alot to do with why they don't last long when working on heavy equipment.
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The 3/8 nitrocat is, by far, the best 3/8's gun I have ever used. My only complaint is that the trigger is not quite as easy to control as other guns. It is light, powerful, and most of all, quiet. I can run it full speed and it is about the same level as my cordless drill.
Its a bit overkill, I mean a 100$ cp gun will also work for a lot of things too. So its not like you absolutely need to buy this gun and replace your others, but if your in the market for a gun, I would definetely consider it.
Im also not a big fan of the direction control. I prefer the Ti's push buttons to the twist dial in the back. I think my favorite is the snap on's, because you can use your thumb and quickly reverse the gun while in use, but again... its not a big deal.
As for the pin clutch design, other companies use it. Kaeser impact wrenches also use this setup. It just isnt very popular, but I have a feeling we will see this style becoming more and more popular thanks to these nitro-cats.
Its a bit overkill, I mean a 100$ cp gun will also work for a lot of things too. So its not like you absolutely need to buy this gun and replace your others, but if your in the market for a gun, I would definetely consider it.
Im also not a big fan of the direction control. I prefer the Ti's push buttons to the twist dial in the back. I think my favorite is the snap on's, because you can use your thumb and quickly reverse the gun while in use, but again... its not a big deal.
As for the pin clutch design, other companies use it. Kaeser impact wrenches also use this setup. It just isnt very popular, but I have a feeling we will see this style becoming more and more popular thanks to these nitro-cats.
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Just curious, unless I missed it earlier in this thread...
What air pressure are you running to compare? I know many tools are rated for 90PSI maximum, yet are routinely operated at 150PSI or more.
I know 175PSI can really wake up a tired CP gun, but for how long?
What air pressure are you running to compare? I know many tools are rated for 90PSI maximum, yet are routinely operated at 150PSI or more.
I know 175PSI can really wake up a tired CP gun, but for how long?
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Well, maybe...but I only did it that one time...and nobody saw...
Seriously, I'm curious as to the PSI you guys are running. Owners tend to run their air at whatever the compressor is set to out of the box. It was 175 most places I worked, with no regulators at the drops. If you wanted a lower pressure, you had best supply your own regulator.
The tired Emglo I have at home was set to 175PSI when I got it. I have "detuned" it to 125PSI and run my tools at 90-100PSI, which seems adequate for what I'm doing these days.
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I run my tools at 95psi at home. Everything at work is at 120-145 or so from two rotary screw compressors, so its pretty much a constant 145.... the nitro cat on 95 still runs circles around snap ons at 140
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I run all my air tools at 95 PSI ... seems to work fine.
Nitrocat can't remove my Civic's crankshaft bolt??!!
I bought the 1/2" Nitrocat after reading the review here but to my utter disappointment, it can't remove my Civic's crankshaft bolt...
I ended up linking all of my 1/2" impact extension, 17 mm impact socket, a crankshaft pulley holder, a 1/2" breaker bar and a 4 ft cheater bar to break it loose. I literally have to lean my whole body weight onto the bar and the crankshaft bolt finally broke loose with a loud crack.
I think the Nitrocat is quiet and cool and powerful for all the other fasteners I've encountered on my cars and it is well worth the money. However, I would like to hear your opinions on which impact wrench is good enough for a crankshaft bolt?
I bought the 1/2" Nitrocat after reading the review here but to my utter disappointment, it can't remove my Civic's crankshaft bolt...
I ended up linking all of my 1/2" impact extension, 17 mm impact socket, a crankshaft pulley holder, a 1/2" breaker bar and a 4 ft cheater bar to break it loose. I literally have to lean my whole body weight onto the bar and the crankshaft bolt finally broke loose with a loud crack.
I think the Nitrocat is quiet and cool and powerful for all the other fasteners I've encountered on my cars and it is well worth the money. However, I would like to hear your opinions on which impact wrench is good enough for a crankshaft bolt?
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Re: Nitrocat can't remove my Civic's crankshaft bolt??!!
This is just the kind of task that 3/4" set no one ever sees a need to keep was made for, and a prime example of why I keep my set!
I bought the 1/2" Nitrocat after reading the review here but to my utter disappointment, it can't remove my Civic's crankshaft bolt...
I ended up linking all of my 1/2" impact extension, 17 mm impact socket, a crankshaft pulley holder, a 1/2" breaker bar and a 4 ft cheater bar to break it loose. I literally have to lean my whole body weight onto the bar and the crankshaft bolt finally broke loose with a loud crack.
I think the Nitrocat is quiet and cool and powerful for all the other fasteners I've encountered on my cars and it is well worth the money. However, I would like to hear your opinions on which impact wrench is good enough for a crankshaft bolt?
This is just the kind of task that 3/4" set no one ever sees a need to keep was made for, and a prime example of why I keep my set!
Re: Nitrocat can't remove my Civic's crankshaft bolt??!!
My IR2135 worked great on a 1988 Honda Accord .... 2001 Civic, and 2003 Civic ..
I bought the 1/2" Nitrocat after reading the review here but to my utter disappointment, it can't remove my Civic's crankshaft bolt...
I ended up linking all of my 1/2" impact extension, 17 mm impact socket, a crankshaft pulley holder, a 1/2" breaker bar and a 4 ft cheater bar to break it loose. I literally have to lean my whole body weight onto the bar and the crankshaft bolt finally broke loose with a loud crack.
I think the Nitrocat is quiet and cool and powerful for all the other fasteners I've encountered on my cars and it is well worth the money. However, I would like to hear your opinions on which impact wrench is good enough for a crankshaft bolt?
My IR2135 worked great on a 1988 Honda Accord .... 2001 Civic, and 2003 Civic ..
Re: Nitrocat can't remove my Civic's crankshaft bolt??!!
Next time maybe you can see if you can put the breaker bar on the ground and crank the starter, make sure the direction of course.
Not sure why the nitrocat couldn't get it off. Probably loctited from the factory so who knows what loosening torque it required. Sounded like you made about 800 ft lbs
I bought the 1/2" Nitrocat after reading the review here but to my utter disappointment, it can't remove my Civic's crankshaft bolt...
I ended up linking all of my 1/2" impact extension, 17 mm impact socket, a crankshaft pulley holder, a 1/2" breaker bar and a 4 ft cheater bar to break it loose. I literally have to lean my whole body weight onto the bar and the crankshaft bolt finally broke loose with a loud crack.
I think the Nitrocat is quiet and cool and powerful for all the other fasteners I've encountered on my cars and it is well worth the money. However, I would like to hear your opinions on which impact wrench is good enough for a crankshaft bolt?
Next time maybe you can see if you can put the breaker bar on the ground and crank the starter, make sure the direction of course.
Not sure why the nitrocat couldn't get it off. Probably loctited from the factory so who knows what loosening torque it required. Sounded like you made about 800 ft lbs
Re: Nitrocat can't remove my Civic's crankshaft bolt??!!
Argh!! Initially I wanted an IR 2135QTi...but got the Nitrocat after reading the review...ARGH!!!! Are all of your crankshaft bolts factory fresh or pre-owned? What kinda pressure did you set and how long did it take?
Argh!! Initially I wanted an IR 2135QTi...but got the Nitrocat after reading the review...ARGH!!!! Are all of your crankshaft bolts factory fresh or pre-owned? What kinda pressure did you set and how long did it take?
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jimmycrackcorn
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Re: Nitrocat can't remove my Civic's crankshaft bolt??!!
Olympic Prybar throwing......
Could be compressor, how long you let it hit for before you gave up. Alil' air tool oil helps gives it some extra bang, makes the vanes seal better....
Olympic Prybar throwing......
Could be compressor, how long you let it hit for before you gave up. Alil' air tool oil helps gives it some extra bang, makes the vanes seal better....
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jimmycrackcorn
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Re: Nitrocat can't remove my Civic's crankshaft bolt??!!
2135qti old news, 2135timax
Impactool packs more torque
Ingersoll Rand Productivity Solutions' 2135TiMAX 1/2" Impactool delivers 780 ft./lbs. of reverse torque and 1,100 ft./lbs. of nut-busting torque. With more than 10 percent added torque than the original model, the new model weighs 3.95 lbs., for a power-to-weight ratio resulting in less operator fatigue. The tool's twin-hammer mechanism allows more power per pound and is less sensitive to air pressure fluctuations. Other features include:
• A variable-speed trigger and patented power regulator with enhanced settings allow better torque in a variety of demanding applications.
• One-handed forward-reverse controls switch between tasks or applications.
• Optimal airflow means better tool efficiency and maximum performance.
2135qti old news, 2135timax
Impactool packs more torque
Ingersoll Rand Productivity Solutions' 2135TiMAX 1/2" Impactool delivers 780 ft./lbs. of reverse torque and 1,100 ft./lbs. of nut-busting torque. With more than 10 percent added torque than the original model, the new model weighs 3.95 lbs., for a power-to-weight ratio resulting in less operator fatigue. The tool's twin-hammer mechanism allows more power per pound and is less sensitive to air pressure fluctuations. Other features include:
• A variable-speed trigger and patented power regulator with enhanced settings allow better torque in a variety of demanding applications.
• One-handed forward-reverse controls switch between tasks or applications.
• Optimal airflow means better tool efficiency and maximum performance.
Re: Nitrocat can't remove my Civic's crankshaft bolt??!!
I set the compressor to 90 PSI (running PSI, not static PSI, i.e., I run the impact gun while I look at the regulator) and let it hit for about 30 seconds (I have a 25 gallon 2 stage 175 PSI compressor). Then I set it to 120 PSI and let it hit for another 30 seconds. After that, I gave up...
I set the compressor to 90 PSI (running PSI, not static PSI, i.e., I run the impact gun while I look at the regulator) and let it hit for about 30 seconds (I have a 25 gallon 2 stage 175 PSI compressor). Then I set it to 120 PSI and let it hit for another 30 seconds. After that, I gave up...
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Any pressure over 90psi will not increase torque according IR, but it will increase tool speed. As for damage, I don't know, I will check with the guys at IR.
Any one using an IR Thunder Gun out there?
Any one using an IR Thunder Gun out there?
jimmycrackcorn
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In response to an earlier post on the new 2135Ti - you can check it out on the website (www.irtools.com/2135timax). It's supposed to have more torque (780 ft-lb) and apparently, there's a quiet version of it.
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Re: Nitrocat can't remove my Civic's crankshaft bolt??!!
Id say your compressor doesn't put out enough air to run the gun. Its all about the CFM, not just the pressure. My guess is the gun can make full power for a second or two and then the power just drops off. The best gun in the world doesnt mean anything if theres not enough air behind it.
I set the compressor to 90 PSI (running PSI, not static PSI, i.e., I run the impact gun while I look at the regulator) and let it hit for about 30 seconds (I have a 25 gallon 2 stage 175 PSI compressor). Then I set it to 120 PSI and let it hit for another 30 seconds. After that, I gave up...
Id say your compressor doesn't put out enough air to run the gun. Its all about the CFM, not just the pressure. My guess is the gun can make full power for a second or two and then the power just drops off. The best gun in the world doesnt mean anything if theres not enough air behind it.
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Well, based on the favorable reviews here and a few other places, I just bought a Nitrocat 1000TC off eBay. Got a smoking good deal on it, like $104.99, shipped! 
I think this was one of those instances where a minor listing error kept a lot of people from finding it - it was listed as a "Nitro Cat" instead of a "Nitrocat". Just now won the auction, sure hope it all comes through OK (seller does have a 100% positive rating.) I'll post a review after I get chance to exercise it a bit, but I will only be able to compare it to an early IR 2131 and an el-cheapo.
I think this was one of those instances where a minor listing error kept a lot of people from finding it - it was listed as a "Nitro Cat" instead of a "Nitrocat". Just now won the auction, sure hope it all comes through OK (seller does have a 100% positive rating.) I'll post a review after I get chance to exercise it a bit, but I will only be able to compare it to an early IR 2131 and an el-cheapo.
nissan_crawler
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Well, based on the favorable reviews here and a few other places, I just bought a Nitrocat 1000TC off eBay. Got a smoking good deal on it, like $104.99, shipped!
I think this was one of those instances where a minor listing error kept a lot of people from finding it - it was listed as a "Nitro Cat" instead of a "Nitrocat". Just now won the auction, sure hope it all comes through OK (seller does have a 100% positive rating.) I'll post a review after I get chance to exercise it a bit, but I will only be able to compare it to an early IR 2131 and an el-cheapo.
Don't worry, I bought the Nitrocat and after using it once, I promptly sold my IR TI. This convinced me to buy a 1/4" Aircat ratchet. It flat out makes my Ir look pathetic, plus the trigger is MUCH better, not too mention the noise. That prompted me to get an aircat die grinder to replace my dying IR. Once again, no comparison.
Aircat has convinced this long time IR fan to slowly replace all IR stock with Aircat.
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i bought a nitrocat 2 years ago and was impressed at first however it has been losing power steadily since i have owned it despite oiling on a regular basis. it finally got to the point i bought a ti after using the bosses to remove what my nitrocat wouldn't. the ti is twice the gun. i still use the nitrocat for tire work on the lowest setting it put lugnuts at 70 ftlbs.
btw the honda's engine rotates counterclockwise so using the engines starter will tighten the crankshaftbolt.
btw the honda's engine rotates counterclockwise so using the engines starter will tighten the crankshaftbolt.
I know that info is according to IR, who knows what they have going on inside there gun. I know for a fact that more air pressure (with flow to match) will make more torque nad higher speeds. I have a 1/2 MAC gun and last night it would not budge some flexplate bolts (split a impact socket but would not move them) at 90-100psi. So I cranked the regulator up to max (between 145-175 what ever the tank pressure is) and boom they came off. I know I don't have a flow problem, 80 gallon tank high flow reg, and all high flow fittings, and all 3/8 or better hose.
My Matco/IR 2112 3/8 gun becomes insane at 175 psi, its dangerous to use. At 90psi it is rated like 9,500rpm. It will throw a fastener and socket into orbit if you are not careful.
-Dan
There was a post by TNT about removing the 5mm allen screw ahead of the trigger on the underside of the gun & putting some lube in there, he said it made a difference on his. Search for 'grease those nitrocats' or similar for the thread. This will be the first thing I do if mine starts losing power.
krusty the clown
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mine calls for oil according to aircats website. it didn't seem to help much.
Before buying my IR TI MAX recently; I stopped by a garage where I know a couple of the guys who have been wrenching there to see what they were using. They were switching back to IR; the NitroCats were not holding up very well and did not have the power of the IR...
Moose-LandTran
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i really want to get me one of them. we don't get them over here in the UK, so i'd have to get one sent to me. but i think at some time i'll have to get one and give it a try.
SK and Aircat are from Taiwan ... careful on service and parts availability. Don't see many CP fans on this site ... my box is loaded CP 7740 1/2", 7830 3/8" ratchet (only ratchet that will compete agains the SO at 1/2" the price, 734 1/2" impact (for back up).
Sack
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I've been using one for about 6 years now and love it. It's been up to every task, never failing me. It ain't quiet, ain't light, but takes off any fastener I need it to.
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I can't wait to try out the MG725 against those damn Honda crank bolts with PSI @ 180
Thoses factory installed Honda crank bolts are $%#& to remove. Most 1/2 drives will not remove them and even some weaker 3/4 impacts. I believe red loctite is used on the original factory bolts.
I have resorted to removing them by apply heat to the face of the bolt followed by a 4 foot piece of steel pipe slipped over the handle of a 2 foot breaker bar with socket. Helper holds the pulley hold-down tool in place and I apply the force. Man, when that bolt finally lets loose, it sounds like a rifle being shot. Scares the **** out of anyone around...
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Oh I know, me and dad do it with every bolt. He holds the flywheel and I grab an exhaust pipe and my cheap 1/2 breaker barScares the **** out of anyone around...