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davethorik

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Dana 60lockerdoublerbig-block chingus, huh? Funny that these magazines hire people to write for them that don't know what they are talking about. Interesting article but I'd like to see more new USA made tested.
 

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Its a Repost, Its been copied in just about every magazine that publications owns and discussed previously here at GJ.

Here is the Hot Rod Test.. and the GJ thread.

My Opinion of the Test..

Im not familiar with all those ratchets mechanisms, But I don't see anything I would consider a "Strong" fine tooth ratchet. IMO to gain strength in fine tooth form you need a large Paw/Gear Contact area, Such as Dual 80, Matco/GW/Armstrong etc. Its one of the Reasons I don't care much for the 72 tooth Kobalt/EzRed/Whatever flavor of the month is being advertised. The Paw contact is rather small. I Enjoyed the Article, The Numbers are astonishing to say the least. Does it influence my Ratchet purchases? Nah.. there is just too many other variables for me. I do agree with some earlier comments about the difference between a total failure test and how they would hold up on "repeated" torque tests of say 60% of the failure rate. IMO This test represents taking a brand new engine and just red lining it to the point of Internal Destruction, What good does that do? Wouldnt you rather the Engine that can Reliably run from the 1k to 6K for years, versus one that can last till 9k for a few seconds? Again.. It was fun to Read.. to each there own.

I did find a comment on Hot Rod page amusing..

Now I remember why I no longer subscribe to Hot Rod magazine, there are better Chinese and Taiwanese magazines that are cheaper.

 
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Sorry, didn't mean to repost. I searched for 1/2" ratchet shootout and it didn't come up...
 

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Sorry, didn't mean to repost. I searched for 1/2" ratchet shootout and it didn't come up...

No Biggie.. Its impossible to keep track of every thread that visits GJ, Besides The in House search feature is worthless.
 

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One sentence in the "What we learned" section of that article bothered me.

"They don’t feel as high quality as the 72-tooth Snap-On ratchets found in high-end toolboxes, but we also wouldn’t dare bring those into a junkyard."

Wouldn't dare bring those into a junkyard? At what point did Snap-On tools, require such reverence in their utility?

Last time I checked, necessity doesn't always find itself in a shop, or garage.

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One sentence in the "What we learned" section of that article bothered me.

"They don’t feel as high quality as the 72-tooth Snap-On ratchets found in high-end toolboxes, but we also wouldn’t dare bring those into a junkyard."

Wouldn't dare bring those into a junkyard? At what point did Snap-On tools, require such reverence in their utility?

Last time I checked, necessity doesn't always find itself in a shop, or garage.

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You can work on anything anywhere with any tool. I know I do.
 

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One sentence in the "What we learned" section of that article bothered me.

"They don’t feel as high quality as the 72-tooth Snap-On ratchets found in high-end toolboxes, but we also wouldn’t dare bring those into a junkyard."

Wouldn't dare bring those into a junkyard? At what point did Snap-On tools, require such reverence in their utility?

Most reviews and other tool-related articles are written by writers, not real tool guys. Sounds more like a tool-polisher to me.
 

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One sentence in the "What we learned" section of that article bothered me.

"They don’t feel as high quality as the 72-tooth Snap-On ratchets found in high-end toolboxes, but we also wouldn’t dare bring those into a junkyard."

Wouldn't dare bring those into a junkyard? At what point did Snap-On tools, require such reverence in their utility?

Last time I checked, necessity doesn't always find itself in a shop, or garage.

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Some feel that the risk of loss makes it necessary to use sub par tools, personally i work better when i work with the best, i keep track of my tools and i am not scared to use them, but if i have to use a cheater im using it on a sub par tool,
 
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Good to know that others see something in a similar fashion. This is one of my very first posts, after joining GJ.

Really appreciative of this place, thus far.

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With a sample size of (1), it really isn't a very scientific test. It seems quite obvious to me that their swap meet Craftsman didn't represent its brethren accurately. As for the junkyard tool question, I can understand not wanting to bring your best: how many of you have discovered abandoned tools in a car body?
 

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I really can't afford cheap tools, especially on the trail or on the water. I bring along a few 2nd class too, because I always have the 40 oz. dead blow.
 

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the whole torque per dollar is useless when some were purchased used. at list prices, all those results would be askew
 

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One sentence in the "What we learned" section of that article bothered me.

"They don’t feel as high quality as the 72-tooth Snap-On ratchets found in high-end toolboxes, but we also wouldn’t dare bring those into a junkyard."

Wouldn't dare bring those into a junkyard? At what point did Snap-On tools, require such reverence in their utility?

Last time I checked, necessity doesn't always find itself in a shop, or garage.

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Although my "good" tools are mostly just duralast, I agree.

Why the hell do you have the good ones, if you don't have them when and where you need them? People say "well I know and trust my snap-on/matco/etc, others break more, my life, wellbeing, etc, depends on not having them break", so, shouldn't they be the ones you take out and get dirty with?

I keep the cream of the crop of my tool collection under my driver's seat. A fat lot of good quality tools do you, if you're on the side of the road and they're behind 3 locks in your garage at home.

Don't be impatient and do things the right way, keep your stuff organized (so it's in it's slot, not in a puddle of sockets around you, as you might in your garage), and leaving stuff in the junkyard shouldn't be a problem. If it looks like a tool might get stuck or fall down something or whatever, don't put it there, or grab the china one for that.

When I clicked the link and that picture came up, my first thought was, why would you have just one? I want them all. And for their scenario, I'm sure my torque multiplier can handle it, the ratchet hardly matters, thank you. I won't be needing any pipe.

They have a pointless, kinda lame, test, but I'm actually amazed that most of those held anywhere near that - who freakin' needs a breaker bar? Though the reason the duralast is so strong is that it's hard to break when you only have ten teeth, they're coarse as sin...
 
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While the stats guy part of me knows that testing one of each kind of ratchet is sketchy at a best and demonstrates nothing concrete, I am nonetheless enjoying the fact that of all the ratchets they tried to break, the old school 5449 Proto is the only one that didn't grenade itself.

Per the article,

It seemed to skip a tooth at the indicated lb-ft reading, but seems unscathed.

Awesome. :bowdown:
 
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Dana 60lockerdoublerbig-block chingus, huh? Funny that these magazines hire people to write for them that don't know what they are talking about. Interesting article but I'd like to see more new USA made tested.

I'm the person that doesn't know what he's talking about. I wrote the article for HOT ROD, (along with the 12-Gauge Garage story) John Cappa wanted it in Four Wheeler because he thought the story was interesting and reworked it just enough to go into an off-road magazine. I came up with the test because I wanted to satisfy my curiosity. I limited the price to $20 because I didn't want to destroy hundreds of dollars in tools, tools that are nicer than the ones I own, for a 2-page story. I don't own any high-dollar tools myself, mostly Craftsman, and I've never seen any high-dollar tools in a junkyard, which I do frequent.

Even though the sample size was only one, I did my best to record the data in a repeatable way, which was why I called Steve Watt to use his shock dyno. As Adam Savage said, "The only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down."

And before it's mentioned in this thread, no tool companies were involved. I bough each ratchet myself.
 

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Even though the sample size was only one, I did my best to record the data in a repeatable way, which was why I called Steve Watt to use his shock dyno. As Adam Savage said, "The only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down."

I don't think this was directed at my comment, but just in case, and to be clear, not bashing anyone on the sample size, merely pointing it out. The fact that the test mechanism was consistently applied is much appreciated. The results are what they are, it's just a question of how repeatable one can expect them to be. We can't really establish that from a one-off. Still, it was a very well done one-off, so hats off to you and thanks for doing it! :thumbup:
 
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