1/4" dr Metric 12pt???

[vette-kid]

I finally got my tool box in from sears and have been busy organizing my piles of tools. When I got to the sockets I noticed that theo organizer I bought (Craftsman) does not have spaces for 1/4' dr 12pt metrics. Then I realized I dont have any! So I got to looking and it appears that CMan does not make any at all. Neither does TopTul (at least its not in the current catalog). I know other companies make them (SK, Gearwrench, SO???). So what gives? Why no CMan or TopTul 1/4" dr 12pt metric? Not that its a big deal or I feel I need them, I generally reach for the 6pts anyway. But it just made me curious.

 

[volvo420coupe]

I know I have a set of 1/4 12pt standard from c-man, I don't remember if I have metric (use 12pt once in a blue moon) I'll have to check, but if you already checked the website, I'll probably be wasting my time.

 

[vette-kid]

haha, yeah I checked the website. Dont go look unless you have a burning desire to look at your tool box (hey I do from time to time!). I too have the 12pt standards. Thats why its odd to me. Why make them in one but not the other?

 

[volvo420coupe]

It is sort of weird, just in the last couple of months I needed I 6mm 12pt socket for an explorer wheel speed sensor, I finally found one a coworker had, it was in one of those blue point boxed sets they have been selling for a couple of years. A 3/8 drive deep well was a lot more inconvenient than if I had a 1/4 available.

 

[volvo420coupe]

I guess I don't need to look in my box now, if I would have had a set, I wouldn't have needed to find one for that job, LMAO.

 

[MAD]

There were Craftsman 1/4" drive metric 12 point sockets at one time. I have a 10mm that I bought around 25 years ago. It is a -V- series, #43508.

I have a full set of 1/4" drive, 12 point metric sockets. It is a Benchtop brand set that I got from Kmart around 15 years ago. I have needed them a few times over the years, but not often enough to cause me to seek out a higher quality set. I remember one time years ago, I was the only guy in the whole shop that had the needed 1/4" drive 12 point metric socket. It was a good feeling as the low Indian on the totem pole, to loan my Kmart socket to the old master that day.

 

[wreckercologist]

I'm seeing more and more 12 point metric at work(mainly driveline fasteners). I have 1/4" 12 point metric semi deeps from SO but don't use them a lot.

 

[Merkava_4]

Has anyone ran into a 12pt. metric fastener? That's what I'm wondering.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Has anyone ran into a 12pt. metric fastener? That's what I'm wondering.

Yep. Dodge use a 12-point 16mm on Brake caliper carriers or something on front hubs, on Rams i think. Almost all VW-Audi engines use a 19mm 12-point bolt for the crank pulley. VW-Audi cars also often run 12-point 30/32/36mm hub nuts. Trying to remember some of the others..

 

[localandbitter]

12pt metric fasteners are used on Honda/Acura flywheel bolts afaik.

 

[Merkava_4]

I just checked the Snap-on site and they're readily available in both 1/4"drive and 3/8"drive ... shallow and deep.

Sears doesn't have them huh? Hmm ...

 

[JeepsAreBuilt]

how about a 8mm 12 point caliper bolt on a jeep cherokee ?

 

[Moose-LandTran]

how about a 8mm 12 point caliper bolt on a jeep cherokee ?

8mm???

Is that the bolts/slider pins that holds the caliper on carrier so it can slide?

I did an old Cherokee 4.0-litre a while ago, and that had 13mm hex head slider pins, i was surprised how thin they were.

 

[vette-kid]

I'm tryin real hard to think if I have ever actually seen or worked on anything with a 12pt fastener. I don't believe I have (but we tend to keep cars for a long time..so I don't get much variety). I think I have mostly only used a 12pt on a bolt that had slight damage and wouldn't fit a 6pt. But now that I know there are some it kinda makes me want to scrounge up a set! (Ya don't have to twist my arm too hard to get me to buy more tools!)

 

[Merkava_4]

I'm tryin real hard to think if I have ever actually seen or worked on anything with a 12pt fastener.

I used to see quite a few of them in Miramar San Diego.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

I'm tryin real hard to think if I have ever actually seen or worked on anything with a 12pt fastener. I don't believe I have (but we tend to keep cars for a long time..so I don't get much variety). I think I have mostly only used a 12pt on a bolt that had slight damage and wouldn't fit a 6pt. But now that I know there are some it kinda makes me want to scrounge up a set! (Ya don't have to twist my arm too hard to get me to buy more tools!)

You NEED 12-point sets. Could you imagine the emotional trauma you might suffer if you needed one and didn't have the socket there??? You might have to leave the job at hand and go buy one!

 

[Merkava_4]

If any of you guys have ever experienced the feeling of a 12pt. socket or box end on a 12pt. fastener ... ah man ... it's like positive engagement at its best.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

If any of you guys have ever experienced the feeling of a 12pt. socket or box end on a 12pt. fastener ... ah man ... it's like positive engagement at its best.

If this is how you talk about tools, i'd be in stitches hearing you talk about ***..

 

[Diesel-Mech]

If this is how you talk about tools, i'd be in stitches hearing you talk about ***..

I thought *** and tools are one in the same for Merk.

 

[plinker]

Mack uses 13mm 12pt. on thier drive shafts.
Ford rangers use 12mm 12pt. on drive shafts, I use a 1/4 drive socket w/ air ratchet for this purpouse.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

I thought *** and tools are one in the same for Merk.

Quite possibly, nuts and bolts, a good screwing and putting a tool in a box!

 

[DashEight]

Newer Toyota's have 32mm twelve point axle nuts on the front drive axles. I had to order up a special deep socket to fit the bastards after destroying them by pounding my six point on and impact gunning them off. It was my first Armstrong socket. When it showed up, I was amazed at the quality of the socket.

 

[GDA]

Has anyone ran into a 12pt. metric fastener? That's what I'm wondering.

I take it you've never looked real close at the running gear on a Land Rover. They are located in odd places like exhaust manifold bolts and big 19mm brake caliper bolts.

Big metric 12pts are also found on BMW rear axle nuts like 30 and 36mm.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

I take it you've never looked real close at the running gear on a Land Rover. They are located in odd places like exhaust manifold bolts and big 19mm brake caliper bolts.

Big metric 12pts are also found on BMW rear axle nuts like 30 and 36mm.

Forgot about that. Don't Discos have them all over the hubs and around the "spheres" on the front axle too?

 

[MAD]

VW has used fasteners with 12 point heads for flywheel to pressure plate bolts since the 1980s. For many years they had an 9mm 12 pt. head.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

VW has used fasteners with 12 point heads for flywheel to pressure plate bolts since the 1980s. For many years they had an 11mm 12 pt. head. I think some of the later models use a bolt with a 10mm head.

They're 9mm now.

 

[vette-kid]

You NEED 12-point sets. Could you imagine the emotional trauma you might suffer if you needed one and didn't have the socket there??? You might have to leave the job at hand and go buy one!

Indeed! I have experienced this trauma all too many times! Usually about the 3rd or 4th trip to the store for some tool/part in the middle of a project, I begin to develop a nervous twitch

I have 12pt in everything except 1/4 metric. So now the problem is where to get them and where to put them! Ill have to buy a entire new set of socket organizers just to cannibalize the 1/4 dr 6pt and make it a 12pt. (socket rails also make me) Man i just got the thing and already I need a bigger tool box!

 

[GDA]

Forgot about that. Don't Discos have them all over the hubs and around the "spheres" on the front axle too?

I haven't worked on a Disco I yet but DII hubs are 6pt on the four retaining bolts if I recall correctly.

As to the OP - my first set of 1/4 drive stuff was 12pt and it was all I used for a several years till I finally picked up some 1/4 dr 6pt socket sets last year. I guess because I had them first its the reason I still tend to use them more than my 6pts.

 

[HankMurphy]

SK and Proto have them:

http://www.sktools.com/Default.aspx?fusemode=10&pid=1340

http://www.stanleyproto.com/default...201&strSiteName=PROTO&strDefaultCatalog=PROTO

Good luck,

Hank Murphy

 

[MAD]

They're 9mm now.

Actually now that you mention it Moose, I think they were always 9mm 12 point heads.

Edit- I just checked one out in the shop. It is a M7 bolt with a 9mm 12 point head. Forgive me, I got a lot of sun yesterday

 

[LGMechanical]

Actually the u-joint straps on trucks use either a 12mm 12pt or a 1/2" 12pt socket. I have not seen any 13mm. (13mm is close to 1/2" but the actual size is 1/2")

Edit: This applies to transport trucks.

 

[kiall1987]

Land rover 13mm 12 point . Perkins crank pulley nuts , big merc engine head bolts 19mm deep 3/4 drive (cat aswell) Hydraulic pumps use 12 point bolts alot. Merc c.v end bolts are 30mm 12 point . Actually quite alot of different applications their

 

[JeepsAreBuilt]

8mm???

Is that the bolts/slider pins that holds the caliper on carrier so it can slide?

I did an old Cherokee 4.0-litre a while ago, and that had 13mm hex head slider pins, i was surprised how thin they were.

Yes that's the one.. my 90 cherokee 4.0L has 8mm 12 point heads. Also, I've seen other cherokees that take a 10mm allen(hex) wrench.

 

[volvo420coupe]

lets not forget ford driveshaft bolts and the awesome 30mm 12 pt VW axle nuts, I own two of those, I had to buy one from sears when I was working on a VW at home and my snappy one was locked up at the shop, to which I didn't have a key

 

[rhandwor]

Nissan had 17mm 12 point flywheel bolts. Mac came out with a 17mm 12 point impact which didn't hold up well.

 

[rhandwor]

It is sort of weird, just in the last couple of months I needed I 6mm 12pt socket for an explorer wheel speed sensor, I finally found one a coworker had, it was in one of those blue point boxed sets they have been selling for a couple of years. A 3/8 drive deep well was a lot more inconvenient than if I had a 1/4 available.

I looked at my 3/8 12 point sockets and they only went to 7mm I had ordered other tools from http://www.superiorpaneltechnology.com/ I called and added a 3/8 12point 6mm and a set of 1/4 drive 12 point sockets.
I will look for good used ones when I go to a flea market.

 

[rhandwor]

It is sort of weird, just in the last couple of months I needed I 6mm 12pt socket for an explorer wheel speed sensor, I finally found one a coworker had, it was in one of those blue point boxed sets they have been selling for a couple of years. A 3/8 drive deep well was a lot more inconvenient than if I had a 1/4 available.

A double box 6mm x 8mm would work for this. A combination 6mm would work also.

 

[volvo420coupe]

It would if the bolt was not recessed. I usually use a combination wrench on the ford driveline bolts, in conjunction with a dead blow hammer to break them loose.

 

[ZRX61]

Has anyone ran into a 12pt. metric fastener? That's what I'm wondering.

Missile nuts etc on Euro aircraft....