1/4 hex impact driver into 1/4 impact wrench

[lightning02]

whats the best way to covert a 1/4 hex impact driver into 1/4 impact wrench? all the little adapters i have a lot of play and wiggle in them which isn't good for TQ transfer.

is there some sort of adapter that is made that doesn't have those issues? want it to be sort as possible as well.

the tool is a MILWAUKEE-2453 incase anyone was wondering.

 

[scissorman]

Buy the 1/4" impact model 2452-20.

 

[ishiboo]

There is play in the 1/4 hex system. It does not hurt torque transfer at all. The adapters work just fine.

 

[scissorman]

There is play in the 1/4 hex system. It does not hurt torque transfer at all. The adapters work just fine.

Torque IS affected anywhere there is play.

 

[lightning02]

i have adapter like in the pic as well that doesn't have play or wiggle but the collar on the impact wont lock onto it. im guessing bc its doesnt have the notches cut into it on the end? but if it did that would be perfect

the ones that do work are to long and wiggle which i dont want. i want something thats sort a possible.

 

[T45]

maybe look up the snap on or apex or similar industrial power versions that are short. however, there is often some play with the QR chuck when using power-type adapters.
because collar that locks the bit by holding into the cut outs with ball bearings.

 

[lightning02]

maybe look up the snap on or apex or similar industrial power versions that are short. however, there is often some play with the QR chuck when using power-type adapters.
because collar that locks the bit by holding into the cut outs with ball bearings.

i have the short ones you said but the collar doesnt lock bc they dont have those cutouts. not sure they make ones that short with the cuts.

the closer the square drive is the collar the less wiggle there is i have also noticed. there is always going to be some play yes but the shorter the less there is and less TQ lost

 

[ishiboo]

Torque IS affected anywhere there is play.

How would that be? There is a tiny fraction of a rotation which is taken up before it stops solid. The impact doesn't make torque until the "hammer" action anyway... there is much less torque in the rotation itself.

 

[tonyciambrone]

I use an Irwin impact adapter I like, similar to #1899886. It is important that the hex shaft be keyed and not solid of the chuck won't grip right.

I would think with that gun 1/4" drive size fasteners would come right off even with a little torque loss.

that tiny fraction where the shaft impacts the socket takes energy...it's really simple to think of a solid 12" shaft or a shaft made of 6 2" extensions. which do you think would transmit power more efficiently?

If you say the 6 extensions I have a perfectly good bridge I would be willing to part with...

 

[Derek420]

Just buy the longer shaft snap on or the kit that has 1/4 and 3/8 long and short also comes with other bits.I have the snap on cts561?7.2v 1/4 hex driver and it works fine with adapters and only thing i notice is it has back and forth play not so much side to side but it is what it is and gets job done i have 3 of the tools and 6 batteries 1 gun without clutch and 2 with and like them much better as you can adjust apllied torque.I have a Makita 18v Lion hex impact and long that damn thing because you can feather the trigger to adjust applied torque.and impacting action so you don't strip screw works like snap on with clutch but don't have to make adjustments and has no end play. It's so powerful that you don't even have to worry about torque loss.

 

[DFB]

If you feel the need a square drive cordless impact wrench you should buy a square drive impact wrench.

Otherwise use keep using hex shank socket adapters.

I find the Milwaukee shockwave the shortest adapter at a reasonable price. There are some stubby APEX ones that can also be sourced

I cant say I have seen anything else that would adapt hex to square but you easily can do the opposite and buy an adapter to go square to hex

But once again that's not without out faults either.

Check out the parts they're really not interchangeable gearcase housing, impacting assembly, drive anvil. The two tools are different total lengths.

http://www.ereplacementparts.com/mi...ex-impact-driver-parts-c-131_9593_281334.html

http://www.ereplacementparts.com/mi...re-impact-driver-parts-c-131_9593_417779.html



You could probably do it buy parts to change one out but it be so much simpler just to get the sq. drive tool. And is rated for a higher torque capacity too.

Both style of tool have their place in my workshop/garage. I have all 3 models the 2452 1/4, which I really like for light assembly and 3/8 sq drive which awesomely powerful for a compact 12v tool plus the 1/4 hex for which I bought various length hex shank adapters for to reach out of the way fasteners.

I have seen the RT videos but my opinion is I feel adapter torque loss isn't that big a deal using these small tools for the general workload they are designed to do.

I have managed to strip all the bolts I have ever wanted to with a 2453 on mode 2

Just as an FYI looking at parts diagrams I do see I can change out the ball pin anvil on my older 2655b to the later hog ring style that wasn't an drive anvil option back when bought it

 

[lightning02]

seems like i have a better choices going from a square drive to hex.

anyone know the shortest 3/8dr to 1/4 hex adapter? has to be impact rated.

would like it to be friction hold so i can use any hex bits.

 

[kctyphoon]

How would that be? There is a tiny fraction of a rotation which is taken up before it stops solid. The impact doesn't make torque until the "hammer" action anyway... there is much less torque in the rotation itself.

I don't think this situation would yield any significant loss either.. I understand what your saying.. You'd have the play at the socket where it meets a square drive no matter if you used an impact wrench, or driver with a square adapter. The only addition is in the hex drive, which is a pretty tight fit to begin with.

Everything else being equal, the loss might be so insignificant it may not even be a real world factor.. The added length of the tool using an adapter would be a bigger concern for some people..

I use my hex drivers with adapters for 1/4" stuff at home.. If it works, it works..

I just use the Milwaukee adapters.. Another option are the Makita version, and they make adapters with a wobble end that might help with some clearance issues.. Might only be in 3/8 and 1/2" though.. They both seem ok to me, but I'm not a mechanic using them all time..

 

[T45]

Here are the various options/styles

http://apexbits.com/apex-3-8-female-square-drive-bit-holders.aspx

pick whatever you like

 

[kctyphoon]

seems like i have a better choices going from a square drive to hex.

anyone know the shortest 3/8dr to 1/4 hex adapter? has to be impact rated.

would like it to be friction hold so i can use any hex bits.

You probably don't want those. Milwuakee, Dewalt, and Irwin make those.. They have a lot of movement in them though where they attach to the square drive.. Not very good for screws..

 

[TK-421]

Get the 1/4 impact wrench

 

[ihateminimumwage]

Buy the 1/4" square drive impact. That's been my go to at work, and I have a couple of 1/4 square to hex adapters for when I need to use hex bits.

Or if you're up for some tool surgery, can get the square drive from powertoolrepairohio.com for $13+shipping and convert it for good. All the part numbers are the same, the only difference is the anvil style.

https://www.powertoolrepairohio.com/pages.php?pageid=14&breakid=3559
https://www.powertoolrepairohio.com/pages.php?pageid=14&breakid=2803