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I'm guessing most of you have seen the TV commercials from various companies that can do 1 day bath / shower remodels. I am specifically interested in the ones that remove an existing tub and replace it with a shower base and new walls. I have watched some of the commercials and the process doesn't look like to terrible to do. The pricing I have seen is in the 5K + range if I am understanding it correctly. I have older parents and would like to do something like this but on a more modest budget, (me and my brother doing the labor and only buying the materials). We are both very handy and I believe I understand the process of whats being replaced and whats not. Most of the ones they show on TV do not have a window in the shower area, but both of the bathrooms at my parents house do. So that's a little trickier to deal with.

So my questions are these:

Has anybody had this done and could offer any advice on how the process happened?

Where could I find the sheet material used for the walls? It looks like a thin plastic material adhered to the plywood they install.

I have seen shower bases online that are supposed to match the drain location of a typical tub.

Any idea if there is a "one stop" place to be able to order the materials from?

I was hoping that maybe for 2k we could get all the parts including some sliding shower doors and grab bars and spend a couple of weekends to redo one of the bathrooms for them.
 
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Bathroom remodels are always much worse than you think they will be, in my experience. Places like Home Depot have walk-in showers available, along with wall finishing materials. But that's just the start of the project. If you're pulling out a bathtub and installing a smaller walk-in shower, you have the floor and walls to deal with. Plus, if your bath is older, you're very likely to find water damage behind the existing wall finishes and floors, as well.

Be careful. You could get yourself into a mess that is difficult to handle. I've been there.
 

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I'm guessing most of you have seen the TV commercials from various companies that can do 1 day bath / shower remodels.
I've seen the commercial, I don't need one or want one.

They trap you with the low price and speed of installation. My guess is that at least half, if not more, go horribly wrong. They rip your bath apart and do the 'you've got rot" routine. They can fix it for a stupidly high amount - they have your bathroom apart, you're over a barrel. I personally have done 5 bath remodels and 4 have had rot.
 
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I hear you. I fully expect to find some kind of rot some where. I replaced the shower valve a couple of years ago by going thru the wall in the bedroom so I didnt have to touch the tile. I definitely wouldn't have one of the companies do it as the expense is to much.

I would like to get them away from the high step over of the old bath tub and replace it with a premade shower base that fits back in the same spot. After that it looks like they cut the tile and drywall for the 2 sides and back and remove it. Then they replace it with plywood and some type of acrylic sheet product they cut on site to handle any irregularities. Then it looks like some trim piece to cap the edge where the tile was cut.

I am not looking to do a entire bath remodel, just the tub area.
 

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If the issue is the parents having to step over the edge of the tub there is a way to cut down a portion of the side of the tub so that its only a small lip and there is a fill piece available to complete the job. No other reno needed.

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If the issue is the parents having to step over the edge of the tub there is a way to cut down a portion of the side of the tub so that its only a small lip and there is a fill piece available to complete the job. No other reno needed.

Paco
I havent seen that. Any info? That is really all I am trying to do. Just save a possible accident.
 
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Just found the tub modification. cleancutbath.com That looks like a good solution along with grab bars.
 

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My father in law just did that, but used a local contractor to do the work. The plumber was someone we know that does amazing work. Took 1.75 days. Costs thousands less than the folks offer on the television. The guy I know that runs a sawmill I frequent said he had one of those companies in for a quote, and it was 20k. He ended up doing it himself for 1,000. My father in law’s cost wasn’t even a quarter of the bath in a day people. The contractor was licensed and so was the plumber.
 

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I had a tub removed & a shower put in several years ago. I don't remember the price, but the process took a few days. One guy. He removed the tub, the tile surround, & the sheetrock behind. There wasn't any wet wood, so new sheetrock, poured a sloped floor to run water to the existing drain, & a small curb. Re tiled the entire thing, added a corner bench, & hung new shower doors. Looks & works great, but because of using only the tub space the shower is narrow. It works well enough to shower, but we have three other showers that weren't tubs. They are roomier & easier to use. If you can push the width at least two inches it will be more comfortable.

Two people, you & your brother, should be able to do the job for not much more than the cost of materials & a little time. Since your parents have two bathrooms it shouldn't be too inconvenient if you run into some problems. Good luck!
 

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I'm having one done in my rental property now. They are taking out a tub, putting in a new tub, three walls, an angled wall, and a ceiling. Replacing all fixtures and a shower curtain for $10k. I debated going the shower route but decided against it for chance of water spillage which isn't your situation.

I agree with the other poster who commented it's mostly the things you find behind the wall that can trip you up. I asked him about the process they take and they said they strip the wall to studs, and then put in wood which they bond the walls too.

Company I am using is "BathPlanet"
 

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Cutting a slot in the tub to avoid a high stepover is certainly a lot cheaper and will make showering easier/safer for them. However, the tub will still sorta be a hindrance -- less room to walk around, put bath chairs, and the sides slope so that might make falls easier. A shower transfer chair that is partially outside the tub along with the tub slot would both help a lot.

Might be a good way to buy them a few years before needing a new shower put in. I'm not sure of their ages, health level, size of bathroom etc or I'd probably have a more specific recommendation.

Also besides just showers, they have walk-in bathtubs where there's a door you open and then shut and a seat is built in, then they can fill it with water. If they like baths. Most like showers though.

As far as the rot. It's just rough carpentry. If any flooring or studs are rotten, you can replace the floor wood with new plywood. Then for the studs, treat with copper green and sister in new studs. Those one day bath places would probably either try to jack up the price a gazillion dollars or if you refuse they will just put the new bath over it and then mold and health problems can ensue.

I'd hire a local plumber who knows carpentry basics over a one day bath outfit.
 

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Personally, I'd never use one of these "glue in plastic walls in a day" jobs unless it was a rental I didn't really care about. At my prior house in CA, we did a great bath remodel and it ran about $20k by using a great tile guy who did 100% of the work and I bought my own materials. That included an entirely new shower, repainted vanity/quartz countertop, and full tile work on floors/walls.

We tore out a shower stall and huge tub to install a true "curb-less" shower. He jackhammered the concrete to get enough "fall" and a linear drain. It worked perfectly and there was no need for a shower door; just a fixed 4'x4' glass panel on a pony wall. This $20k paid huge dividends when it came time to sell the house. The bath was a hit with buyers and in CA's crazy 2021 real estate market we listed for $835k and sold in 24 hours for $930k. I'd do it again in a heartbeat. The curb-less option is a huge selling point for the "older" generation.

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I am looking to do the same thing in my house, but I'm sure it won't happen in a day. I have a window above the tub now, but it's a regular window and I want to replace it with a shorter (height) window higher on the wall. That will make the process longer. Mine now is a steel tub with a plastic surround. ATM I intend to go with a fiberglass shower pan and something like the fiberglass surround panels like at most hotels. I have seen tiling go very fast, but I have also seen it take forever for more intricate designs with smaller tiles, so the surround panels appear to be lower maintenance.

Somebody asked me if I was going to do just a 30x30, as the current tub is 30x60 and I would gain some floorspace in the bathroom, but I think I like the bigger shower so I am sticking with 30x60. I already moved one wall outward in the bathroom anyway to gain some space. My house is an old one with the bathroom being about 5x7, so it was cramped before.

The challenges I see are these. Getting the old tub out of the house. It's somewhat big and bulky, but it's only about 20" tall, so stood up and set on a furniture dolly, it shouldn't be too awful with a helper. Time. I can't be without a shower for a week. When I did the first half of the remodel, I was without a toilet for a day, which I expected, so I stayed at a hotel for a night. The thing when trying to get it done in a day is that toward the end of the day, you won't be as far along as you thought you would be. You will have found things that weren't expected, and may have had to make multiple runs to the store. So, there is an urge to rush to get it done and that's where I see people make mistakes that add more time, or cut corners. I don't want either of those to happen, so I will probably stay at a hotel again.

That last bit is to say, maybe send them on a trip for a couple of days, so there is no pressure to get it done as quickly and they can come back home to a fancy reveal.

My aunt and deceased uncle had a walk-in tub installed some years back. It is very tall, like about 40" or thereabouts. It doesn't look like it would work well as a shower as the rear part is a seat that is built in.
 

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I've pulled baths too. For me, this is a DIY job for sure... And there are some really cool things you can do with shower diverter valves. I'd tear it out, put in a fiberglass pan, re-do the valves (Moen only). Put green board in, red-guard it... Then I just turn it over to a tile guy.

If you're doing shower glass, make sure the glass is high enough that a tall human doesn't have to "duck" on their way in.
 

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I've seen those commercials about the quickie bathroom contractors and they haven't convinced me that would be the route to go.

We had a contractor come in and redo our upstairs full bath. Tore out the garden tub and put in a custom tiled big walk in shower with 3 available shower heads. Love it.

On our downstairs one, I'm about 8 years from retirement, and I may just save it and do it myself then. It has a cast iron tub, plastic tile walls, and some funky plumbing. I figure I'll tear it out to the studs and start from scratch.

Like Ripley says: Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
 

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Put green board in, red-guard it... Then I just turn it over to a tile guy.
Not being a jerk but red guard over green sheet rock isn't an approved method. I know people do it but it for sure isn't best practice and CBP def doesn't say its okay.

Kerdi is the only membrane I am aware of that says you can put it over greenboard.

You can use GP Denshield which is much like greenboard but is designed for this purpose. I have done a lot of showers with Denshield and a waterproof membrane over it, including in my own house.

I'm not a fan of the one day bathrooms. I can see why people do it, if you only have one bath and can't be without a bathroom for a week its tough. I think a custom tile shower will give you a much better finished product. When I did my parent's bathroom (thinking of the future) we put backing in for future grab bars, made a nice big heated shower seat, put controls next to the seat, did a low curb height, etc. It looks gorgeous and other than needing to drill a few holes for grab bars in the future it should be good for them until the end.
 
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Bet you're not doing that with a cast iron tub! Probably not that easy even with a steel porcelain tub!
Claims in can be done with a 4.5" side grinder and diamond wheel. It would be dusty for sure!

In my mind this is now the way I am leaning for them. The other thing is that the rest of the bathroom is in good condition, but the house is a 70's ranch that hasnt been updated. They are not looking to update anything. My mom is in her 80's and my dad will be 91 this year and they are happy with there current condition. I am not going to push them into something they dont want. Just looking out for them on the safety side of things.
 
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Claims in can be done with a 4.5" side grinder and diamond wheel. It would be dusty for sure!

In my mind this is now the way I am leaning for them. The other thing is that the rest of the bathroom is in good condition, but the house is a 70's ranch that hasnt been updated. They are not looking to update anything. My mom is in her 80's and my dad will be 91 this year and they are happy with there current condition. I am not going to push them into something they dont want. Just looking out for them on the safety side of things.
It's a good way to go (cutting the tub) for a fix like this.
Grab bars, look at "Wing It" anchors. Expensive, but you don;t need to find framing and you can do chin-ups on them.
Someone also mentioned a transfer seat. With the tub cut in place, you may not need one. But look for a "bath bench" that can span the tub from one rim to the other. Very handy. One that is rim high is easy to sit on and stand up from. Some other ones are set low in the tub with the bench below the rim, they can be difficult to use.

Good luck with it, and good on you for taking care of them.
 

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When analyzing all this, does the house have another bathroom with a tub? Although a "curbless" or "low stepover" may very well be a selling point for some, however it's gonna be a huge non-seller for anyone with small children, and a certain portion of the adult population that likes an occasional bathtub soak.

We remodeled one of our bathrooms a couple years ago, wife very badly wanted go without a tub and install just a shower, but I wouldn't let her for exactly the above reasons, especially since our master bath already has a walk in shower stall.

It will be a cold day before I buy a home with a fully tiled shower stall. ONE tiny leak could, can, and will cause untold amounts of heartache. I have a friend that has one with a leak, everyone that's looked at it says the only fix is a total rip out and redo, which they can't afford.
 

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...we put backing in for future grab bars, made a nice big heated shower seat, put controls next to the seat, did a low curb height, etc. It looks gorgeous and other than needing to drill a few holes for grab bars in the future it should be good for them until the end.
I'm not that old yet, but I do have back and hip pain at times and I intend to are least put in grab bars. As it is now stepping over the side of the tub when the nerve in my hip is making almost impossible to walk is challenging.
 

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Bathroom remodels are always much worse than you think they will be, in my experience. Places like Home Depot have walk-in showers available, along with wall finishing materials. But that's just the start of the project. If you're pulling out a bathtub and installing a smaller walk-in shower, you have the floor and walls to deal with. Plus, if your bath is older, you're very likely to find water damage behind the existing wall finishes and floors, as well.

Be careful. You could get yourself into a mess that is difficult to handle. I've been there.
we just finished a master bath remodel, took us 2 months with some delays, but we did a complete remodel including paint, flooring, vanities, and closet. demo'd out the original small shower stall and garden corner tub, 38 yrs old. knew we had some water leaks, had to fix some underlying plywood, found black mold. also found some 2x4 framing damage from the water leaks (this was on the 2nd floor). also found that they built the original small seat using brick underneath. (wtf?). we also found the original water pipes for the shower ran directly by the electrical switch panel with no protective conduit. ended up extending the wall and moving the water pipe, valve, and outlet over 6 inches.

so things got delayed a little. demo can be done in a day. install of Home Depot shower kits another day or two.

it's always the things you don't expect that come back to bite you and take extra time
 
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It will be a cold day before I buy a home with a fully tiled shower stall. ONE tiny leak could, can, and will cause untold amounts of heartache. I have a friend that has one with a leak, everyone that's looked at it says the only fix is a total rip out and redo, which they can't afford.
Meh. Maybe if it was built in 1970. A modern shower isn't going to depend on the tile or grout to retain water. Whats behind that title/grout is a system that's designed to handle water. The shelves here, I encased 'em fiberglass, with a 1-2 degree slope so it drains. It's made so everything drops through to a waterproof fiberglass pan. We plug the drain line downstream and fill the whole shower pan with water, let it sit for a week to make sure there are no leaks.

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This was the "remodel" that I did - there was a tub here. I did not do the tile work. The one mistake I made was not having that track for the glass higher... If you're over 6'1" you have duck a little bit to get in / out. I did have to adjust some plumbing.


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When analyzing all this, does the house have another bathroom with a tub? Although a "curbless" or "low stepover" may very well be a selling point for some, however it's gonna be a huge non-seller for anyone with small children, and a certain portion of the adult population that likes an occasional bathtub soak.

We remodeled one of our bathrooms a couple years ago, wife very badly wanted go without a tub and install just a shower, but I wouldn't let her for exactly the above reasons, especially since our master bath already has a walk in shower stall.

It will be a cold day before I buy a home with a fully tiled shower stall. ONE tiny leak could, can, and will cause untold amounts of heartache. I have a friend that has one with a leak, everyone that's looked at it says the only fix is a total rip out and redo, which they can't afford.
What is funny is that I have had to do more structural repairs due to leaking toilets and around tubs, through fiberglass surrounds, etc than for leaking tile showers. If a shower has a leak it was done wrong, plain and simple. I also have run into a lot of people that feel this way about tile showers, they know someone that had one leak and they will never do one. Yet for some reason they accept leaking toilets, water getting out of tubs, and a whole host of other stuff. Either way, there are a lot of tile showers that have never leaked.
 

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I could count on one hand the number of times I sat in a tub the first 10 years in my home. Had them replaced with 'one day' showers and have never regretted the change.
 

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I'm guessing most of you have seen the TV commercials from various companies that can do 1 day bath / shower remodels.
One day bathroom remodel? :ROFLMAO:

About five years ago on a cold February Saturday afternoon I planned to repair a couple lose tile on the shower wall. By 5PM I had stool and vanity torn out, two walls ripped down to the studs. The next Saturday my buddy came over and we broke up the cast iron tub and ripped the floor down to the sub floor. Messed up my back in the process so cleaned up the tools and closed to bathroom door. Six weeks later I put in concrete backer board on the floor and set in electric floor heat tape, then poured floor leveler and set the tub and surround. Next thing ya know it is 70 degrees outside and I have better things to do that remodel a bathroom so the tools got cleaned up and the door closed again and it didn't get opened for six months after the weather started to get unpleasant.

I got going on it somewhere around October 1st, tile the floor, sheet rock, paint, set the stool and vanity, finish plumbing the tub and wrapped it up in December, so about ten months. I would have gottne it done faster, but I worked 60-70 hours a week on top of it all.

That is my typical afternoon repair. :ROFLMAO:

I guess my point is there is always something unexpected. If they finish in one day I will bet they covered up some **** that will come back to haunt you later. Take the time and do it right!
 

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It will be a cold day before I buy a home with a fully tiled shower stall. ONE tiny leak could, can, and will cause untold amounts of heartache. I have a friend that has one with a leak, everyone that's looked at it says the only fix is a total rip out and redo, which they can't afford.
Looks like a quality control issue. I have helped with multiple bath remodels, and several of my own, over the last 30 years and never had or heard of an issue due to the methods and materials employed...start with epoxy grout and say goodby to mortar related cracks and leaks. A full tutorial would look like a thesis.
 

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Definitely not a 1 day I did a rework over tub and a friend did the whole tub to shower thing using someone similar and my tile work was 2 days, plus they did not mention a tile they broke, his tube to shower went 4 or 5 days. When It came time to do the master bathtub to shower conversion I did it myself.
It can be a diy job. Start at https://www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/ this is how to avoid leaks and get all the parts pretile and pre plumbing, then head to https://www.johnbridge.com/ for tile info. Today I would forgo the tile and use 3 pieces of stone or fake stone wall system. Much easier to keep clean and no grout!
 

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I'm guessing most of you have seen the TV commercials from various companies that can do 1 day bath / shower remodels. I am specifically interested in the ones that remove an existing tub and replace it with a shower base and new walls. I have watched some of the commercials and the process doesn't look like to terrible to do. The pricing I have seen is in the 5K + range if I am understanding it correctly. I have older parents and would like to do something like this but on a more modest budget, (me and my brother doing the labor and only buying the materials). We are both very handy and I believe I understand the process of whats being replaced and whats not. Most of the ones they show on TV do not have a window in the shower area, but both of the bathrooms at my parents house do. So that's a little trickier to deal with.

So my questions are these:

Has anybody had this done and could offer any advice on how the process happened?

Where could I find the sheet material used for the walls? It looks like a thin plastic material adhered to the plywood they install.

I have seen shower bases online that are supposed to match the drain location of a typical tub.

Any idea if there is a "one stop" place to be able to order the materials from?

I was hoping that maybe for 2k we could get all the parts including some sliding shower doors and grab bars and spend a couple of weekends to redo one of the bathrooms for them.
Both Home Depot and Lowe's will have 30 x 60" or 32" x 60" bases in their online stores. Shipping to the store is usually free but unbox while you are there to make sure nothing is damaged. I went through three tubs at a Builder's Square a long time ago. If you look up shower walls, read the fine print and the reviews. Several will say if they can be trimmed for a window. Some lines offer matching window trim. You could also trim the window with PVC lumber. If you are going with plastic or fiberglass walls, get a quart of FRP cement to do the glue up. It's far cheaper than the tubes of Power Grab people usually use. Also, I use spray foam behind all the soap dishes and built in shelves to make them less hollow sounding. Schush it in place with wax paper. IMO plastic or fiberglass walls are a better choice for elderly people because they require less maintenance.
 

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Where could I find the sheet material used for the walls? It looks like a thin plastic material adhered to the plywood they install.

I have seen shower bases online that are supposed to match the drain location of a typical tub.

Any idea if there is a "one stop" place to be able to order the materials from?

I was hoping that maybe for 2k we could get all the parts including some sliding shower doors and grab bars and spend a couple of weekends to redo one of the bathrooms for them.
The good wall panels will be a laminate wall panel, or a decorative pvc wall panel. The low end stuff will by acrylic (and ugly).
The pvc panels are the ones you want, and can have an ornate marble appearance, feaux subway tile, natural stone, etc like some newer hotels are using.

There are resources for these panels, but it's a tough market. Some of the "shower in a day" companies have the exclusive rights to some of the better panels.

Lowes and Home Depot do sell a small selection, but good luck finding anyone knowledgeable, and it will be a special order item. You'll be looking at over $3k for the panels and shower basin. A decent quality door will run another $800 give or take in today's market.

While they are low maintenance and long lasting, it's definitely a "get what you pay for" market. The lower end "affordable" level stuff isn't all that attractive, and a DIY guy could do a legit tile shower for less money (and more work).
 

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It’s like click bait for the remodeling industry, i know a guy that does it, he told me it’s a gold mine.

Along with other deeper motives. FIVE YEAR payment terms for your one day bath remodel. Why? Upon non-compliance with the terms of the payment contract they lien the property (your home/house). This can then force a sale. It's a real estate play in the deepest of its motives. Be very careful.
 

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Along with other deeper motives. FIVE YEAR payment terms for your one day bath remodel. Why? Upon non-compliance with the terms of the payment contract they lien the property (your home/house). This can then force a sale. It's a real estate play in the deepest of its motives. Be very careful.
Sounds like a typical used car, but he, pay here lot. Also sounds like a bit of fear mongering. Has that ever actually happened? Doesn't a lien on something just mean that when you sell it, they get paid before the new owner gets it? Otherwise you could never take out a car loan. Or a regular mortgage.
 

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Sounds like a typical used car, but he, pay here lot. Also sounds like a bit of fear mongering. Has that ever actually happened? Doesn't a lien on something just mean that when you sell it, they get paid before the new owner gets it? Otherwise you could never take out a car loan. Or a regular mortgage.
A lien on a house should not affect car loans and the like, but it appears you can't get a mortgage with a lien on the house. From a quick Google search everything I saw said no mortgage if there is lien on the house.
 

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The good wall panels will be a laminate wall panel, or a decorative pvc wall panel. The low end stuff will by acrylic (and ugly).
The pvc panels are the ones you want, and can have an ornate marble appearance, feaux subway tile, natural stone, etc like some newer hotels are using.

There are resources for these panels, but it's a tough market. Some of the "shower in a day" companies have the exclusive rights to some of the better panels.
I have purchased MAAX U-Tile panels for a shower and a tub. I highly recommend them once you get usable panels. They are heavy duty fiberglass panels that look like tile. They cater to the DIY market, but they are certainly not cheap either. About $1,300 for a shower and over $1,000 for a tub at Menards. The panels are a good 1/4" thick and don't flex at all. Menards often has these on clearance from special order returns and the boxes are often still sealed. I think I paid less than 40% of retail for my shower panels. The bath panels were about 35% of retail.

My parents bought these on clearance from Menards at my recommendation. MAAX appeared to have some serious quality control issues in 2021 and early 2022. Two of the three panels my parents got were warped and unusable. It took three shipments of new panels directly from MAAX to get three panels that were flat. The first replacement panel was warped too. It was sent by freight on a special custom built pallet and no way for the freight company to have warped it. The panels were either warped during production, or while in MAAX's warehouse.

Swanstone makes a really nice shower panel too, but quite expensive.
 

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I looked at the MAXX stuff at Menards a couple days ago. There are some similar panels at other box stores, but it's all special order and some of it is far cheaper, thus probably far worse for quality. I didn't like the shower pans at Menards, so I may go a different route there, but I do like the look of the MAXX panels.
 

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I replaced a fiberglass/acrylic /stud nailed enclosure that was over 21 years old.It was in the house when we bought it. It was installed during the rough-in as it was wider than the door, nailed to framing,etc. It was the daily shower for my wife and my son,and his girlfriend. I never used it so I didn't care much. I gutted the stall back to studs,installed a TileRedi floor pan,pre sloped/flashing etc and then cement board on the walls with RedGuard. Which be aware you cannot use premixed thinset with RedGuard. Rumor is thinset will not dry ,tiles fall off. I used dry bagged mortar mixing as I went. The rest of the bathroom had been updated with a exotic wood floor,commode,vanity a couple years back ,so this was strictly shower remod. We spent $3500 in total, I did all the work, had to get a buddy to help with the glass shower door but wife and son and his Gf are very happy with the results. The shower door came from Kohler. The lead times on many doors was outrageous,especially wanting to know width down to 1/4" which I couldn't provide until I was done with the tile ,then 6-8 week lead. Found the Kohler, adjustable for width due to pivot. Ordered on a Saturday,delivered on Tuesday. https://www.build.com/kohler-k-707556-l/s1127260 It swings open very wide,easy in-easy out. I also bought a small squeegee and showed them all how to use it. Cleaning isn't nowhere as time consuming as the previous , no buildup of soaps/shampoo/hard water.
 

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