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1 phase to 3 phase converter

TractorJeff

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Neighbor got a 3 phase lathe, his son got an electrician to wire in a motor driven Converter. The lathe didn't seem to function, maybe from when it got damaged in shipping? Anyways I went down to look at it, found a wire loose on the motor connection of the Converter, easy fix.
Now the lathe would attempt to start but the starter contactor would drop out (chatter). I used the min/max feature on a Fluke 87 to capture the 3 phases when attempting to start the motor. A-B was 270v, A-C was 254v, B-C was 240v, when the contactor was pushed in manually the voltages dropped by a half on A-B and A-C phases while B-C stayed at 240v. Using this information I found the control transformer was wired across A-B causing the 120v to drop to 66v hence the coil chatter. Moving the one control wire from phase A to C allowed for the 120v to not drop under the motor startup load.
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walta

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What type of phase converter are you using static, rotary or VFD?

Assuming you are using a static or rotary wire it so the control circuit is powered from natural phase and not one of the generated phases.

Please take a few minutes and test the grounding. With an ohm meter the ground pin of the cord should measure less than 10 ohm to the motor case, the control box and any metal parts you are likely to touch.

If the budget allows a VFD is the best way to power a lathe as it gives you variable speed that is very handy.

Walta
 

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What type of phase converter are you using static, rotary or VFD?

Assuming you are using a static or rotary wire it so the control circuit is powered from natural phase and not one of the generated phases.

Please take a few minutes and test the grounding. With an ohm meter the ground pin of the cord should measure less than 10 ohm to the motor case, the control box and any metal parts you are likely to touch.

If the budget allows a VFD is the best way to power a lathe as it gives you variable speed that is very handy.

Walta

In the first sentence he says its a motor driven converter so its an RPC.

I agree on using the utility supplied 120v for the control circuit.
 
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TractorJeff

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Quote "B-C stayed at 240v."

This is the Natural Phase (ie Utility Line Power)

As an Electrician "wired" this for them, I assume the Grounds fed through.
Seem to remember seeing them bonded together? (its early in the morning)
I'll double check it today just for the old Guy's safety.
Thanks!
 

matt_i

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Classic issue with motor-based phase converters. The generated leg will be all over the place depending on load applied. Good fix, it should be just fine for a long time now :)
 
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