10ft walls hipped roof

[trippettd]

Looking to build a 42x36 garage and am wanting 12ft ceilings for a lift. My home currently has 10ft ceilings in garage, and 8/12 hipped roof and the new garage will be setting back roughly 17ft bet only 8ft to the left of the house.

When shooting grade my contractor doesn’t think a 12ft wall being that close to the house will look right. He thinks with the black roof and white trim it will be sticking 2ft higher than the house and just make things look funny…

I’ve been reading about scissor trusses and wondering if you all think thats an option? Would 12ft walls not really matter? I’ve been waiting 15years on this garage and not having the ability to put in a lift isn’t an option.

 

[PoorUB]

Build it! Build what you want, not what the contractor wants! Who is paying for it?!

Detached, yes it may over whelm the house a bit, but are you going to build it with shorter walls? My neighbor, a block away has a two story garage built right next to a 70's rambler, it looks fine.

 

[trippettd]

Build it! Build what you want, not what the contractor wants! Who is paying for it?!

Detached, yes it may over whelm the house a bit, but are you going to build it with shorter walls? My neighbor, a block away has a two story garage built right next to a 70's rambler, it looks fine.

Just wanting it all to flow… don’t want to detour from the house. Just wondering if there are options to make it work…

 

[PoorUB]

Anything you build will stick out above the house. I don't think there is a good answer.

 

[mike93lx]

An architect should be able to do a 3d render, if you are willing to spend a few bucks.

I might build a temp wall to see what it feels like being that close and that high. An 8' wall will be just about 10 pieces of lumber and three sheets of osb

 

[CombatNinja]

In my experience, contractors are correct on these things roughly 10 to 1 over the customer. A garage wall higher than your house walls right up against it is going to look terrible. Got 50 acres and you're building a pretty barn 300 yards away from the house? Have at it. In this case, listen to the man that builds things for a living.

 

[Zeke]

At 17' behind the house. one is gonna have to walk back quite a way before this becomes apparent. If the new building was at the front line of the existing, I agree with the contractor. If you study perspective (the further an object is from you, the smaller it appears) then you can see what I mean.

Meanwhile, get some cardboard and a box knife and build these in a small scale. I once did an entire bathroom in cardboard full size before I committed to the plan. I was on the fence for about a year and when I thought I had it worked out I wanted to be damn sure.

 

[Adaylate]

Scissor trusses are an option. If your roof pitch is 8-12 the scissor truss ceiling will be about 4-12. Something to think about....
Good luck!
Ps I'm using scissor trusses where my lift will be.

 

[trippettd]

Scissor trusses are an option. If your roof pitch is 8-12 the scissor truss ceiling will be about 4-12. Something to think about....
Good luck!
Ps I'm using scissor trusses where my lift will be.

How does it work with a hip roof… will only the middle be “vaulted”

 

[brownbagg]

when do you pay contractor to think?

 

[brownbagg]

dig a two foot hole

 

[brownbagg]

whatever happen to that guy that built the garage too short and his lift wont fit

 

[mike93lx]

when do you pay contractor to think?

I personally don't trust a monkey to do work on my house. They better be thinking

 

[mike93lx]

How does it work with a hip roof… will only the middle be “vaulted”

The first pic in this link has a visual. Edit...I may have looked at the pic wrong as I think those are just tails. Either way, I don't see why it can't be done, just needs to be engineered. Could use a girder truss at the end of the ridge then traditionally frame in the hip to that.

Truss Options - Fine Homebuilding

From gable-end to split trusses, there are plenty to choose from for almost any roof shape.

www.finehomebuilding.com

Just googled hip roof scissor truss

The wall construction is critical with scissor trusses. This is definitely something that needs engineering

 

[Adaylate]

How many overhead doors will you have? If three, maybe scissor trusses could be used in the center bay and be out of the hip area.
You'll have to draw it out.

 

[isb cornbinder]

45years ago, my wife and I were looking at a barn. The barn can be described a hip-roofed barn. Her tang got tungled and could not spit out what she wanted to say. It came out rip-hoof-barf. I learned very quickly to not remind her of her momentary lapse. I guess it might be possible to have a moment like that when a person is fluent in 5 other languages. Just think, I have 5 ways to not understand what she said.

 

[Adaylate]

My last house had a hip roof with the garage close by with a regular gable end roof. They looked fine next to each other.
Are you locked in to a hip roof for the garage?

 

[billconner]

There are several design issues presented and the only way to see which options work best I'd drawings. You really can't talk a design.

Probably several ways to achieve 12' clear height under an 8/12 hip roof on 10' walls.

 

[firebirdparts]

How does it work with a hip roof… will only the middle be “vaulted”

Absolutely. I've never seen it done, but obviously it can be. You need a big strong truss at the point where the hip ends because that is holding up the world. They might decide instead to do a series of trusses with lower and lower flat tops to spread out the load. So yes, act accordingly.

You can decide that the vault in the center of the building is okay with your lift placement or not. I always say "having a lift" is a 100 times better than not having one, so the other considerations are pretty weak compared to that one.

To the original question, I think the appearance is not a big deal. There are a lot of factors. A 32 foot wide building with 8/12 pitch will have a big roof sticking up, and that'll also seem disproportionate. If the house and garage have different pitch, that doesn't look great either. You need to make some sketches and think it over. Makes a big difference too if you are looking up at this scene or down. There is a distance, obviously, where the different wall heights will actually align with the eye. Slope determines what this distance is (or makes it impossible if you're looking down on these buildings. FWIW.

 

[Eric S.]

A quick sketch hope I got it close.

 

[K'ledgeBldr]

How does it work with a hip roof… will only the middle be “vaulted”

Whatever the length of the ridge is-
The hips could be stick built and be “vaulted”/open also.

 

[andyvh1959]

I agree with the others, build what you want/am paying for. Don't cut yourself short now. Some comment: will this new construction be on a lock edge slab or on a full foundation? Also, why 8' between the house and this new shop? Access to the back yard? Storage area for other "stuff". Seems to me 8' would be a hassle, as in too close to not allow for bigger things between (like a trailer towed into the back yard), and not far enough away to allow to park a vehicle or trailer, and then always having to walk outside to get into the shop.

Could the new construction be built to share a portion of the house wall so access into the shop can be directly from the house/garage? Of course then, roof lines/overhangs can be challenging.

 

[The Tool Tyrant]

'FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION'

 

[mike93lx]

'FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION'

*HOA has entered the chat*

 

[The Tool Tyrant]

NO HOA's here pal...Not at all...'Form Follows Function' is or should be the basis for the design.

 

[billconner]

'FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION'

That was the mantra in late 19th and early 20th century architecture. I don't believe they are mutually exclusive, despite some examples to the contrary posted on this site.

 

[Youngandfree]

Do 10ft walls with scissor trusses. Can you deal with the lift in the center?

 

[sjvicker]

My garage is attached and has 10' ceilings with a hip roof. I have an internal ceiling height at 12' but because of the hip section I had to shift my 2-post lift off center from my garage door and get a baseplate style lift. Both aren't ideal but it works.

IMO you should build the 12' side walls and use scissor trusses and as long as its wrapped in the same materials as the house it'll fit in just fine. Maybe you can even get a window up by the peak to help break it up a bit.

 

[trippettd]

My last house had a hip roof with the garage close by with a regular gable end roof. They looked fine next to each other.
Are you locked in to a hip roof for the garage?

To match the house, I’d prefer a hip roof

 

[trippettd]

Do 10ft walls with scissor trusses. Can you deal with the lift in the center?

Yes. If I can get it in the center that’s fine. I just want a lift at some point

 

[mike93lx]

At 36x42, your ridge is only going to be about 8ft long. Not much room inside for the lift

 

[firebirdparts]

That’s true. Visual cheating is called for (you can’t see the hip slope from the road.). Omitting the hip on the back end helps. Narrower building helps.

 

[mike93lx]

Could do a double pitch hip, so the end on the wall with the door is steeper than the sides, making the ridge longer. Might look odd, but it blends the desire for a hip with increasing interior height

 

[trippettd]

I agree with the others, build what you want/am paying for. Don't cut yourself short now. Some comment: will this new construction be on a lock edge slab or on a full foundation? Also, why 8' between the house and this new shop? Access to the back yard? Storage area for other "stuff". Seems to me 8' would be a hassle, as in too close to not allow for bigger things between (like a trailer towed into the back yard), and not far enough away to allow to park a vehicle or trailer, and then always having to walk outside to get into the shop.

Could the new construction be built to share a portion of the house wall so access into the shop can be directly from the house/garage? Of course then, roof lines/overhangs can be challenging.

It’s 8ft to the left of the house but sits 20ft back.

That’s true. Visual cheating is called for (you can’t see the hip slope from the road.). Omitting the hip on the back end helps. Narrower building helps.

care to elaborate on how narrowing the building helps? I just want a good sized garage lol

 

[mike93lx]

Narrower makes the ridge longer, increasing the area you can have with a higher ceiling.

 

[sleek98]

I have a 40x50 hip roof using coffer trusses. I have a 20x30 area that is raised an additional 4 foot where my 2post sits The raised section is 16' tall. The coffer truss was less than $500 additional bucks over the standard truss for the entire package.



This is what a 40x50 with 12' sidewalls and a 8/12 pitch roof looks like sitting next to a two story house with 8/12 pitch roof. The garage is 15 feet to the side and 15 feet back from the corner. The garage peak sits about 18" lower than house peak.

If you have a single story house the garage will tower over it by a good margin.

 

[mike93lx]

I have a 40x50 hip roof using coffer trusses. I have a 20x30 area that is raised an additional 4 foot where my 2post sits The raised section is 16' tall.



This is what a 40x50 with 12' sidewalls and a 8/12 pitch roof looks like sitting next to a two story house with 8/12 pitch roof. The garage is 15 feet to the side and 15 feet back from the corner. The garage peak sits about 18" lower than house peak.

If you have a single story house the garage will tower over it by a good margin.

Holy rooflines batman.

 

[sleek98]

Holy rooflines batman.

Yeah, HOA were being idiots. I wanted to put a 6/12 roof on the garage but they forced me to do a 8/12 to match the house.

 

[trippettd]

Narrower makes the ridge longer, increasing the area you can have with a higher ceiling.

 

[trippettd]

Got ya… that would def help