12pt deep sockets?...you use em?

[Tronyadorable]

Like open ends, all 12 points (sockets or wrenches) are not created equal.Buy some good Taiwanese-German stuff in metric and good merrkin stuff in SAE.
rust belt ? I got 480 inches of rain here in 2014. Nary a rust problem in sight.
It's called " take care of yer chit ! "

 

[90zcar]

Some people got off topic here thinking this topic was which point sockets are better etc....
Most people stayed on target here which is mainly about how many 12pt fastners do you really run into...mostly 12pt fasteners that need a deep socket.
Looks like I got what I needed to know which is pretty much limited to aviation type things and possibly older Euro car engine internals. None of which I'll ever work on so I'm starting to lean towards not getting them.... Or maybe I will haha. We'll see if anyone else chimes in with any more examples.


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[Buckgnarly]

Like open ends, all 12 points (sockets or wrenches) are not created equal.Buy some good Taiwanese-German stuff in metric and good merrkin stuff in SAE.
rust belt ? I got 480 inches of rain here in 2014. Nary a rust problem in sight.
It's called " take care of yer chit ! "

How much salt? and where is "here"? Unless you are in Hawaii, I call...BS

 

[Buckgnarly]

Some people got off topic here thinking this topic was which point sockets are better etc....
Most people stayed on target here which is mainly about how many 12pt fastners do you really run into...mostly 12pt fasteners that need a deep socket.
Looks like I got what I needed to know which is pretty much limited to aviation type things and possibly older Euro car engine internals. None of which I'll ever work on so I'm starting to lean towards not getting them.... Or maybe I will haha. We'll see if anyone else chimes in with any more examples.


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Head bolts, Ford driveline bolts, Jeep unit bearing bolts....but none of which require deep, though using deep may give you the right length you need.

 

[mrjaw14]

as several of us have mentioned, even if you don't run into a 12pt fastener, if you ever use a breaker bar to bust things loose, they can help get you where you need to be. That right there is worth the $20 more than the possibility of running into a 12 pt

 

[dnschmidt]

Subaru head bolts are always 12pt on the boxer engine and these MUST be removed with a breaker bar as they are about a foot long and act like torque sticks so that impacts don't work. The Germans use 12pt as well typically on high strength stuff like head bolts.

 

[90zcar]

Subaru head bolts are always 12pt on the boxer engine and these MUST be removed with a breaker bar as they are about a foot long and act like torque sticks so that impacts don't work. The Germans use 12pt as well typically on high strength stuff like head bolts.

These are bolts tho correct? Not studs?


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[mindedc]

If you ever have the misfortune to work on a landrover, at least on the lr3 model there are several 12 point bolts on the brakes that it was better to use deep well sockets... As I recall the whole car was littered with 12 point sockets.... Kind of like Volkswagen and those dammed xzn bits...

Guess who owns a set of each

The day I took the wheel off that dammed car and saw a 12 point bolt I did a 180 on my stance on only buying 6 point sockets. I've tried to catch a few sales and complete my 12 points as time has allowed...no pressure.. But it's a ***** to be in the middle of something and hit a fastener you can't remove.

 

[67King]

Thought of another. ARP head studs on the old Pinto engines (at least the 2.3 turbo's). 12 points, and studs, so deep definitely helps. I think the ones on my GTO (67) are 6 point, though.

 

[cbus]

Ive pounded on a few 12pt deepwells to remove gm locklugs before. Worked great

 

[OutsideMachinist]

The new designs of 12 points close the gap quite a bit. You cant always use a 6 point socket or wrench.Actually I think 6 point wrenches are useless save for a few very small sizes. I use 12 points all the time and yes often on pretty rusted pieces of equipment. So no I don't understand the 6 point or bust crowd. You need both, and not just for 12 point fasteners.

 

[dnschmidt]

Yes, they are bolts.

 

[AndrewV]

All over the top end of a jeep strait 6. The acura vigor inline 5, if i rember right(brother had one years ago).
There's a reason i have impact 12 points.
1: never know what will come in.
2: i know what can come in.
3: euro stuff
4: best to not be caught, with your pants down, going WTF!!!

Day to day in auto, don't use them daily. But they're used weekly.

 

[90zcar]

Ok fine I'll get em!! Now my drawer is gonna be that much more full and heavier!!


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[unslow1]

The new designs of 12 points close the gap quite a bit. You cant always use a 6 point socket or wrench.Actually I think 6 point wrenches are useless save for a few very small sizes. I use 12 points all the time and yes often on pretty rusted pieces of equipment. So no I don't understand the 6 point or bust crowd. You need both, and not just for 12 point fasteners.

I have both in just about every size but also prefer to use 12pt. When I think there is a real possibility of it stripping then I start with 6 pt. A good example would be doing wheel cylinders. Just about every bolt and fitting has a good chance of trying to strip. I use a lot of ARP 12pt stuff and one car has all square bolts and nuts.

 

[byoungblood]

Thought of another. ARP head studs on the old Pinto engines (at least the 2.3 turbo's). 12 points, and studs, so deep definitely helps. I think the ones on my GTO (67) are 6 point, though.

When I had my Mustang SVO, the factory head bolts on it were 12pt. I actually had to go out and buy a set of metric 12pt 1/2 drive sockets specifically for that purpose, a set of Williams made Kobalt.

Most of my 1/2 drive sockets are 12pt. To date, I've never rounded a fastener with one. I used to have more 6pt sockets but they got lost when I was younger (probably borrowed by roommates) and I've just never bothered to fill in the gaps.

 

[Leadberry]

Like open ends, all 12 points (sockets or wrenches) are not created equal.Buy some good Taiwanese-German stuff in metric and good merrkin stuff in SAE.
rust belt ? I got 480 inches of rain here in 2014. Nary a rust problem in sight.
It's called " take care of yer chit ! "

You could get 48,000 inches of rain, and that would be fantastic. The problem is road salt. Kind of hard to avoid around here.