13 mm wrench test

[Kracin]

just realized my work has a rockwell tester also.... i might have to get some readings on some of the proto and armstrong wrenches we have sitting around.

 

[Duarte]

I'm not bothered either; I own 2 sets of 440s -if it turned out that they were made in Taiwan it'd be to their credit.



Interesting. Have you got a photo? Is it a factory-applied label or something added by a distributor? Where are you located?

There is nothing of the sort on the UK packaging (at least the packaging I've had). I'm fairly sure it was UltGar (Ultimate Garage - who sells Facom in the US) who stated Czech origin, and when I inquired where he go the info, it was from labels applied to the US packaging. I've taken that as the best evidence, because as far as I've seen nobody has provided anything other than speculation regarding a Taiwan origin.

Farnell's site states Italy, and although their claims are often suspect, there's at least a possibility it's true as the 440's are sold under the USAG brand as well (I think it's still an open question as to who introduced them first).

I am in the US. The Facom 440 440.JP14 set was ordered from Ultimate Garage.
The cardboard packaging had Made in Taiwan printed on the back. I wish I had saved it, but it was just a board, that the clip was secured to and was pretty much cut up to get the clip off, so I didn't see any point in saving it.
I was already under the impression these were made in Taiwan, so I thought nothing of it. I do have some older 440 wrenches, from a couple of years ago, 10, 12, 13, 14 and 17mm. These do NOT have the laser etched part # that the new wrenches have, so maybe there is a COO change since 2011?

Regardless of where they are made, they are the best wrenches I've tried yet. It is possible that these could've been manufactured elsewhere and shifted to Taiwan perhaps?

The storage clip is pure genius. It can fold and fit in a cantilever box or bag, or unfold and lay out the wrenches in cart drawer. Very versatile.

 

[Miskin]

Thanks to GJ member uuze from Finland, we have HEYCO for testing!

Heyco Maxline 410

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Heyco 400

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Brand--------------------------HRC---------------- Chrome coating (μm)
Proxxon-------------------------45--------------------
Acesa----------------------------32--------------------
Gedore No7---------------------40---------------------
Garant---------------------------41--------------------
Matador 190---------------------41---------------------8.5
Garant---------------------------41--------------------~0
Stahlwille-----------------------47---------------------~0
Matador 190 old series---------38--------------------15
HR (India) Lidl------------------34--------------------10
Bost-----------------------------49 -----------08
Dowidat No6 12-13-------------38--------------------10
Gedore No6 14-17--------------52 --------------10
Unior----------------------------47.5-------------------15
IUS------------------------------47 --------------05
Izeltas---------------------------44----------------------~0
Cobalt Ratcheting Wrench------45----------------------~0
Hazet 600N Beam--------------35----------------------17
-------------open end------------- 34---------------------~0
Hazet 603-----------------------40----------------------~0
Facom 440----------------------44----------------------~0
Stanley 87-073------------------41----------------------?
Snap-On-------------------------45,5--------------------10
Husky combi---------------------43---------------------10
Husky ratcheting combi----------40--------------------10
Craftsman USA-------------------39,5-------------------0
Pittsburgh-------------------------35?---------------------5 to 10
Heyco 410 Maxline---------------44---------------------~0
Heyco 400------------------------28----------------------~0 (10μm on beam)

28 HRC for Heyco 400. The lowest measurment.

 

[Laro13]

I am still missing the gedore 1B.

please, let me send one to you.

 

[Kracin]

28 on the heyco may not be a bad thing.

there are many different properties to metal, and having a super high hardness does not mean that it's the toughest tool out there.

wrenches need some sort of give to them or they would simply snap. a good combination of hardness and spring, along with a good blend of metal alloys that will not only flex but not bend, be tough but not snap. and can grip the hell out of a fastener without being marred up itself.

for super specific applications like this it would be hard to find the perfect one unless you put them all through a rigorous and similar testing process to find out which one lasted the longest without breaking. to see which is best for your bolts

 

[Miskin]

I am still missing the gedore 1B.

please, let me send one to you.

Oohh i went to Gedore dealer the other day and i forget it... Next week i will remember, i promise!

28 on the heyco may not be a bad thing.

there are many different properties to metal, and having a super high hardness does not mean that it's the toughest tool out there.

wrenches need some sort of give to them or they would simply snap. a good combination of hardness and spring, along with a good blend of metal alloys that will not only flex but not bend, be tough but not snap. and can grip the hell out of a fastener without being marred up itself.

for super specific applications like this it would be hard to find the perfect one unless you put them all through a rigorous and similar testing process to find out which one lasted the longest without breaking. to see which is best for your bolts

You 're right, but the damage on "soft" Hazet 600N happened 3 months earlier than "hard" Stahlwille Open Box 13 ( i forget to post pics from Hazet after 2 months in work, maybe tomorrow), witch last for 5 months. Eventually all wrenches succumb to the bolt...

 

[Kracin]

Oohh i went to Gedore dealer the other day and i forget it... Next week i will remember, i promise!



You 're right, but the damage on "soft" Hazet 600N happened 3 months earlier than "hard" Stahlwille Open Box 13 ( i forget to post pics from Hazet after 2 months in work, maybe tomorrow), witch last for 5 months. Eventually all wrenches succumb to the bolt...

who is the maker of the machine?

maybe they offer special tools for operation and maintenance like most machine manufacturers do

 

[Miskin]

who is the maker of the machine?

maybe they offer special tools for operation and maintenance like most machine manufacturers do

If you read the thread from the start you 'll find your answers!

 

[Kracin]

If you read the thread from the start you 'll find your answers!

i did, but forgot and didn't click the first page button, i may have to move that to the top of my agenda list. or maybe not, seems its some crazy long name or something

 

[Miskin]

i did, but forgot and didn't click the first page button, i may have to move that to the top of my agenda list. or maybe not, seems its some crazy long name or something

 

[Miskin]

You 're right, but the damage on "soft" Hazet 600N happened 3 months earlier than "hard" Stahlwille Open Box 13 ( i forget to post pics from Hazet after 2 months in work, maybe tomorrow), witch last for 5 months. Eventually all wrenches succumb to the bolt...

After 2 1/2 months with Hazet 600N the damage on the open end is more obvious than Stahlwille which used for 5 months.

HAZET 600N

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It's about time to work with Snap On

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[4xdog]

Now THIS is going to get interesting! Thanks for all your work on this. The practical experience is good to have.

 

[paranoid56]

woot, now we can see how that holds up.

 

[Kev442]

The Stahlwille has set the bar high, Snappy has it's work cut out for it.

 

[littletoes]

How do you keep from using one wrench "harder" than the other??? There is no way to measure that is there???

Thanks for taking the time for this Miskin!

 

[tjmonsen5]

Interesting stuff! Can't wait to see how the snapon holds up!

 

[Miskin]

How do you keep from using one wrench "harder" than the other??? There is no way to measure that is there???

Thanks for taking the time for this Miskin!

You're right, I can not check how much power will put the operator every time that use the wrench. The test is approximate. Don't forget, i make this test for fun, not to prove which brand is better than the other.

 

[Dave-666]

Try 12 mm.

 

[outdoorsman310]

if you need to, grind the tips off the open end so it will easily engage fully. and if that doesnt work with the snap-on i believe an open end line wrench is the best bet.

 

[Kracin]

You're right, I can not check how much power will put the operator every time that use the wrench. The test is approximate. Don't forget, i make this test for fun, not to prove which brand is better than the other.

if the operators for your machines are like the operators for machines i fix, then no wrench or tool stands a chance from somebody like that.

overtorquing, hammering, misalignment, less than full contact. etc.

 

[Miskin]

if the operators for your machines are like the operators for machines i fix, then no wrench or tool stands a chance from somebody like that.

overtorquing, hammering, misalignment, less than full contact. etc.

Exactly! Plus grinding (which i hate!).

 

[outdoorsman310]

i think it would be better to grind the wrench so it is easy to get full contact but i guess theyll just keep wrecking all wrenches haha. make a wrench out of the bolts!!

 

[superautobacs]

Miskin,

Deformation aside, do all of these wrenches end up spreading?


Also, I don't know if this has already been suggested or if you've already ruled these out.....have you considered anything like this?

I think Gedore offers something similar.

 

[Miskin]

Miskin,

Deformation aside, do all of these wrenches end up spreading?

All wrenches used until now have not spread, except Netsuren and Acesa.

Also, I don't know if this has already been suggested or if you've already ruled these out.....have you considered anything like this?

I think Gedore offers something similar.

It's allready been suggested by GJ chad99 in page 3.

 

[superautobacs]

All wrenches used until now have not spread, except Netsuren and Acesa.



It's allready been suggested by GJ chad99 in page 3.

Ahh, I see that that now. Never mind those then.

I have 3 DOE Netsuren wrenches in some larger sizes (don't use them much at all). Was it a piece of sh*t....and that's why it's not even worthy of this test?

 

[Miskin]

Ahh, I see that that now. Never mind those then.

I have 3 DOE Netsuren wrenches in some larger sizes (don't use them much at all). Was it a piece of sh*t....and that's why it's not even worthy of this test?

Okuma supplying only Netsuren wrenches inside CNC's toolboxes.

 

[Miskin]

Okuma supplying only Netsuren wrenches inside CNC's toolboxes.

Not true! I just check my pics and Okuma also supplying HIT TOOLS and AIGO

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[Dustball]

I'm not sure how much torque is required to tighten the bolts down. What about cross drilling holes through the head to allow the use of a rod to turn the bolts?

 

[Miskin]

I'm not sure how much torque is required to tighten the bolts down. What about cross drilling holes through the head to allow the use of a rod to turn the bolts?

One cnc mill x 12 tool stations x 2 bolts every station = 24 bolts. You need a carbide drill to drill those bolts. It will also be very inconvenient to tighten the bolt with a rod. I prefer to ruin wrenches, more fun!

 

[brit road garage]

try king **** and elora

 

[superautobacs]

Okuma supplying only Netsuren wrenches inside CNC's toolboxes.

Not true! I just check my pics and Okuma also supplying HIT TOOLS and AIGO

Interesting. They give you an assortment of brands...

They should provide an endless supply of 13mm wrenches as part of the sales deal.

 

[Miskin]

try king **** and elora

No King **** dealer here AFIAK and Elora dealer is too far to drive there for a single wrench...

Interesting. They give you an assortment of brands...

They should provide an endless supply of 13mm wrenches as part of the sales deal.

I think with a quality wrench like Stahlwille or Hazet i can use it for years until is off. I change wrenches every 3, 4 or 5 months to try as many wrenches i can.

edit: Of course Okuma could provide their customers with drop forged quality tools for these bolts!

 

[kidatari]

I just found this thread, I'm enjoying your analysis, Miskin Keep it up!

 

[Miskin]

I just found this thread, I'm enjoying your analysis, Miskin Keep it up!

Thanks, i just found a used Gedore 1B in very good condition so i will give its measurements in a couple of days.

 

[Laro13]

Thanks, i just found a used Gedore 1B in very good condition so i will give its measurements in a couple of days.

Finally

 

[Miskin]

Finally

I'm curious to see if it has the hardness of No7, which I intend to test it. Probably No7 13-17.

 

[Miskin]

Brand--------------------------HRC---------------- Chrome coating (μm)
Proxxon-------------------------45--------------------
Acesa----------------------------32--------------------
Gedore No7---------------------40---------------------
Garant---------------------------41--------------------
Matador 190---------------------41---------------------8.5
Garant---------------------------41--------------------~0
Stahlwille-----------------------47---------------------~0
Matador 190 old series---------38--------------------15
HR (India) Lidl------------------34--------------------10
Bost-----------------------------49 -----------08
Dowidat No6 12-13-------------38--------------------10
Gedore No6 14-17--------------52 --------------10
Unior----------------------------47.5-------------------15
IUS------------------------------47 --------------05
Izeltas---------------------------44----------------------~0
Cobalt Ratcheting Wrench------45----------------------~0
Hazet 600N Beam--------------35----------------------17
-------------open end------------- 34---------------------~0
Hazet 603-----------------------40----------------------~0
Facom 440----------------------44----------------------~0
Stanley 87-073------------------41----------------------?
Snap-On-------------------------45,5--------------------10
Husky combi---------------------43---------------------10
Husky ratcheting combi----------40--------------------10
Craftsman USA-------------------39,5-------------------0
Pittsburgh-------------------------35?---------------------5 to 10
Heyco 410 Maxline---------------44---------------------~0
Heyco 400------------------------28----------------------~0 (10μm on beam)
Gedore 1B------------------------42.5--------------------~0

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Gedore 1B has something like coating but not chrome. I can not determine what it is, looks like Bost wrench coating, antirust i guess.

 

[lok]

Gedore 1B------------------------42.5--------------------~0


Gedore 1B has something like coating but not chrome. I can not determine what it is, looks like Bost wrench coating, antirust i guess.

Miskin this is an older one. I don't know how old though.

The new looks like that.

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[Miskin]

I know, i found it on ebay for a euro and i took it among other tools. Do they have any differences?

 

[lok]

I know, i found it on ebay for a euro and i took it among other tools. Do they have any differences?

The chrome looks different. I don't know about treatment.