IlliniJeeper
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I've been looking for a band saw and came across this one for $125. My Google-Fu is failing me today, can any of you enlighten me if this particular model is worth my money for metal and/or wood cutting?
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14" Delta Band Saw
- Thread starter IlliniJeeper
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I think the double duty means metal and wood but lets see what the pros say. If you could see the other side of the saw, a metal/wood saw has a gear box inside. If it's wood only, it's probably just a single pulley/belt with belt guard.
EDITED: Either way the $125 price is SUPER GOOD as long as the saw is not damaged.
EDITED: Either way the $125 price is SUPER GOOD as long as the saw is not damaged.
'Double duty' was just Delta's advertising slogan.
That one is pre-war, and a very good quality light woodworking band saw
(I have and use one myself, mine is war-time production, different logo, but the same components)
Its well worth that $125, if its a sound, serviceable unit, but do look carefully for cracked castings from mis-handling.
cheers
Carla
That one is pre-war, and a very good quality light woodworking band saw
(I have and use one myself, mine is war-time production, different logo, but the same components)
Its well worth that $125, if its a sound, serviceable unit, but do look carefully for cracked castings from mis-handling.
cheers
Carla
rlitman
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I think the double duty means metal and wood but lets see what the pros say. If you could see the other side of the saw, a metal/wood saw has a gear box inside. If it's wood only, it's probably just a single pulley/belt with belt guard.
EDITED: Either way the $125 price is SUPER GOOD as long as the saw is not damaged.
No need to turn it around. The picture shows enough to know this is a wood only model. No gear oil cap.
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IlliniJeeper
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No need to turn it around. The picture shows enough to know this is a wood only model. No gear oil cap.
That answers my question then! Thanks. By chance do you have a picture of what the gear oil cap looks like? I wouldn't even have thought to look for that.
gus1962
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That's surely a solid band saw. Let's assume that's in a good working condition, you'll never go wrong with $125. I couldn't tell by the picture if it's both for wood and metal cutting. Wish you luck.
That model is too early to be a metal cutting with a gear box, which I think came out in the late 1930's. That saw is from the early '30's.
They did have an optional arrangement of pulleys and a jack shaft to slow down the rpms, which appear not present in that sample.
It also appears a later version of a steel stand.
$125 it should be in your truck on the way home.
They did have an optional arrangement of pulleys and a jack shaft to slow down the rpms, which appear not present in that sample.
It also appears a later version of a steel stand.
$125 it should be in your truck on the way home.
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Nice score especially since it has the rare fence & rails. Estimating late 30's vintage since the sheet metal guards have the 3 raised ridges. If so, these saws are pretty rare and not fully interchangeable with the later models with the various differences:
1) lower 3/4" diameter shaft has a tapered fit for the wheel
2) lower guide block assembly
3) stamped steel 14" wheels
4) lower main casting is "open" design
Note: I've restored many of these over the years and the 14" band saw did not come standard with that steel stand as shown, but at least it has a stand. Post a pic of the motor when you get a chance and also a pic of the back side. The saws used a 1725 RPM motor with 2.75" dia motor pulley and 8" dia. band saw pulley.
1) lower 3/4" diameter shaft has a tapered fit for the wheel
2) lower guide block assembly
3) stamped steel 14" wheels
4) lower main casting is "open" design
Note: I've restored many of these over the years and the 14" band saw did not come standard with that steel stand as shown, but at least it has a stand. Post a pic of the motor when you get a chance and also a pic of the back side. The saws used a 1725 RPM motor with 2.75" dia motor pulley and 8" dia. band saw pulley.
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Packard V8
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Looks like an army surplus typewriter stand. Definitely not an OEM Delta stand.the 14" band saw did not come standard with that steel stand as shown, but at least it has a stand.
Still a heckuva deal for that saw. Just don't buy it to cut steel.
jack vines
gus1962
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Have you checked the band saw?
bubinga
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^$125 it should be in your truck on the way home.
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Damon L.
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I have acquired one of these (not quite as old, round, red delta logo) It has a homebuilt stand and retrofitted 3 phase motor. I was thinking about just installing a VFD to get it up and running, and considering using it on light metal with a blade change and a slower speed.
Anyway, it had an odd planetary gearbox on the input shaft. You could push a lever in that appears to engage the gearbox, and pull it out for direct drive. I would be able to explain it further, but somewhere in transit the shaft was bent so I couldn't really play with it and discover the function. I am going to have a new lower shaft made to accept a standard V-Belt pulley and run it as stated above.
When I get around to the resto I will get some pictures up. I disassembled it for now to evaluate what I need. Everything but the shaft, lower bearings, and one of the table trunnions is in great condition.
Anyway, it had an odd planetary gearbox on the input shaft. You could push a lever in that appears to engage the gearbox, and pull it out for direct drive. I would be able to explain it further, but somewhere in transit the shaft was bent so I couldn't really play with it and discover the function. I am going to have a new lower shaft made to accept a standard V-Belt pulley and run it as stated above.
When I get around to the resto I will get some pictures up. I disassembled it for now to evaluate what I need. Everything but the shaft, lower bearings, and one of the table trunnions is in great condition.
Damon L,
Delta came out with the wood/metal version in the 1940's if not mistaken and it used a lever/yoke to engage the slow speed transmission. The gearbox design changed in the 60's and used the push/pull knob on the end of the pulley shaft to engage the transmission. The transmission on the later models offered a slightly higher gear reduction value to further decrease the blade speed.
I'd check on owwm.org and go to BOYD section. I've been a member for about 10 years and every once in a while someone parts out these transmissions. Or as you stated, the lower 3/4" diameter shaft could be straightened out at a machine shop or made from scratch. The bearings inside the transmission are standard and can be purchased through Accurate Bearing. The bearings may or may not have an extended inner race. Table trunnions are a dime a dozen and should be quite easy to find. You can still purchase them new from Delta.
Delta came out with the wood/metal version in the 1940's if not mistaken and it used a lever/yoke to engage the slow speed transmission. The gearbox design changed in the 60's and used the push/pull knob on the end of the pulley shaft to engage the transmission. The transmission on the later models offered a slightly higher gear reduction value to further decrease the blade speed.
I'd check on owwm.org and go to BOYD section. I've been a member for about 10 years and every once in a while someone parts out these transmissions. Or as you stated, the lower 3/4" diameter shaft could be straightened out at a machine shop or made from scratch. The bearings inside the transmission are standard and can be purchased through Accurate Bearing. The bearings may or may not have an extended inner race. Table trunnions are a dime a dozen and should be quite easy to find. You can still purchase them new from Delta.
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Damon L.
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I don't need the transmission, so I will just have a local guy do a straight shaft for me. This unit has a yoke/lever to engage the transmission, you need a slot in the shaft to align with the lever to engage it.
This saw is in nice shape, but not nice enough to keep everything original. It will be a working saw in my shop, wood mostly. I need to get in gear and get it done, I have a bunch of beehive boxes to build this winter.
Thanks for the info. The one bearing that is bad is one of the ones in the saw casting itself. I have a local guy pricing them out for me. (Amazon appears to carry a metric conversion bearing as well). I did get a pile of info from OWWM already. I may have to start spending time over there.
This saw is in nice shape, but not nice enough to keep everything original. It will be a working saw in my shop, wood mostly. I need to get in gear and get it done, I have a bunch of beehive boxes to build this winter.
Thanks for the info. The one bearing that is bad is one of the ones in the saw casting itself. I have a local guy pricing them out for me. (Amazon appears to carry a metric conversion bearing as well). I did get a pile of info from OWWM already. I may have to start spending time over there.
Here are some bearing p/n's for the vintage 14" Delta wood and wood/metal saws.
Older Style (w/ turn lever selector):
Upper wheel: 87502 (2x)
Lower wheel: 87504 (2x)
Blade guide thrust bearings: 6200 (2x)
Gear case: 87016 (4x)
Input shaft oil seal: CR6229 (1x)
Up until about the mid to late 60's, Delta used the Consolidated brand bearings with extended inner race. Accurate Bearing can get these for you as they can be a little hard to source. They are Japanese bearings and will run you about $8-$10 ea.
Later Delta machines used standard bearing such as the 6204 and 6202.
Older Style (w/ turn lever selector):
Upper wheel: 87502 (2x)
Lower wheel: 87504 (2x)
Blade guide thrust bearings: 6200 (2x)
Gear case: 87016 (4x)
Input shaft oil seal: CR6229 (1x)
Up until about the mid to late 60's, Delta used the Consolidated brand bearings with extended inner race. Accurate Bearing can get these for you as they can be a little hard to source. They are Japanese bearings and will run you about $8-$10 ea.
Later Delta machines used standard bearing such as the 6204 and 6202.