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1930s garage, making it work for me!

enieleni

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Greetings all.

I'm the new owner of a house built in 1931 in Montreal. Houses of this style were often built leaving the finishing of the basement to the owners. The garage is congruent with the building and has seemingly had little attention paid to it. The work that has been done seems quite piecemeal.

I just moved in recently so much of the organization is temporary.

Ideally what I'd like to do is create a small wood/metal/bike workshop in the garage but I'm reluctant to do any cabinet and table building until I have a better sense of what's going on.

The issues appear to be:

1. The walls are mixed. I'm seeing (a) poured concrete and (b) plaster over concrete blocks. Ideally I'd like to cover these with something nice, and hide as much electrical/plumbing as possible. That'll allow me to hang cabinets and put up workbenches. Does it matter if all that wiring is panels and not immediately accessible?

2. The ceiling is very sloppy. I don't know what it was originally, but it's currently plaster in various states of repair. I see a lot of places where it was just punched through to put pipes or other wiring through and shows what looks like slats of some sort underneath. I sort of want to rip it all out and re-do it all.

3. The electrical is similarly messy. The unit is a duplex and the wiring for both units lives here.

4. The floor looks to be half original concrete and half asphalt. It looks like the door opening was redone with a high lip to prevent snow/water runoff from entering the garage and in doing so they decided to make up the difference with asphalt. Ideally I'd like everything concrete and to have it regraded to be as flat as possible.

Anyway, that's an overview of what I'm working with. I've uploaded a bunch of photos. Any thoughts at all on how to approach this and what matters?

Much appreciated.

enieleni
 

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enieleni

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And a few more photos here
 

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enieleni

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I suppose it goes w/o saying that the lighting will need a lot of work as well! Right now it's two exposed bulbs hanging from threads.

The previous owners also wired the garage door opener via extension chord!
 

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I am assuming the house is above the garage. I would rip down all of the ceiling (looks like lathe and plaster) and replace it with fire code drywall. You could do fix your ceiling lighting issues then while it's opened up, maybe add some insulation too.

Those holes are openings for carbon monoxide, also will allow fire to spread God forbid that happens.

Good luck.

John
 
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enieleni

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Thanks for the feedback John. Our inspector said something similar when he saw all those holes. I'm going to have to brush up on my drywall-on-the-ceiling technique... I'm only familiar with how to do it on 2x4 framing walls. Very curious to see what I find under there.

Will post pictures.
 
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Rent or borrow a drywall lift to do the ceiling, otherwise it is no different than doing walls. Depending on the size of the garage you will have more **** joints.
Do not cover any electrical panels or junction boxes, code requires these remain exposed or have a panel allowing access.
Lath and plaster- a royal pain to remove and clean up, very heavy. Order a larger dumpster than you think you need for the weight.
 

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Also invest in some firecaulk and fire rated foam for the areas where you are dealing with pipes/wires etc going thru the drywall. Based on the age of the unit it would be a good time to have an electrician look at the wiring while it
is open.
 
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enieleni

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Thanks for the info jetnow1... taking notes!

Good call on the firecaulk and fire-rated foam. Working around the pipes will definitely be one of the time-consuming parts.

Good to know about the junction boxes not being covered or having access provided via an access panel. What is the standard access panel in drywall for something like a junction box?

Some part of me is also wondering if I should try to repair the lath & plaster rather than pull it all down. Hmmm...
 

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In addition to the drywall lift, you might want to check on some rolling scaffolding. Rental place would be good place to start - Home Depot has tool rental in some stores here, not sure on Canada though.

John
 
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