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1968 GTO Resurrection

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Post up any parts needs. I got a few 68-69 used part from back in the day. No body trim or interior. Mostly nuts and bolts, brackets, maybe a starter if you are going numbers matching. Might have a headlight switch buried somewhere.
 
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On to the first body project – the trunk. At some point a critter made a house in the trunk, and defiled the floor to the point it rotted pretty significantly. It important to note that the critter was an acorn connoisseur. I’ve never seen so many acorns in a single space. Remember the oak tree from post 1, it provided a near endless food supply. Acorns made it into every nook and cranny. I may dub this the acorn rebuild…

Thanks for answering the question of the oak tree. The rodents are so destructive.
I am getting ready to start on a 69 GS convertible that was a barn find. Had a Kansas pack rat living in it. Outside wiring is toast from the little *******.
 

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Post up any parts needs. I got a few 68-69 used part from back in the day. No body trim or interior. Mostly nuts and bolts, brackets, maybe a starter if you are going numbers matching. Might have a headlight switch buried somewhere.

headlight switch one year only and hard to find
hidden headlights(option for GTO only) one with the vacuum portion are very hard to come by. IIRC I sold the last one I had for $75 at a swap meet.Common things like starters,alternators,probably have a dozen or so.
But I would up grade to a hi temp/torque Caddy one with a good heat shield.
 
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Post up any parts needs. I got a few 68-69 used part from back in the day. No body trim or interior. Mostly nuts and bolts, brackets, maybe a starter if you are going numbers matching. Might have a headlight switch buried somewhere.

I'm not going for numbers matching, the car has a non-correct block code and a rear from a Chevelle, not a BOP. Thank you for the offer, if I run into anything Ill let you knwo

Thanks for answering the question of the oak tree. The rodents are so destructive.
I am getting ready to start on a 69 GS convertible that was a barn find. Had a Kansas pack rat living in it. Outside wiring is toast from the little *******.

So much damage from such a little creature. Good luck with your rebuild/restoration

600hp, near slick tyres in January and the hottest woman I’ve ever touched in the passenger seat... Dammit, now I want a GTO :lol:

Sounds like a dream I had a while back :)
This build is nuts.

Sub'd.

With all the acorns I've found, you're right!

headlight switch one year only and hard to find
hidden headlights(option for GTO only) one with the vacuum portion are very hard to come by. IIRC I sold the last one I had for $75 at a swap meet.Common things like starters,alternators,probably have a dozen or so.
But I would up grade to a hi temp/torque Caddy one with a good heat shield.

Fortunately my switch is present and appears to be in good shape. I won't know for sure until it all goes back together.

Ryan
 
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Next up the passenger compartment floor. One of the previous owners converted the factory auto car to a manual. They left the tunnel in a complete state of pop-rivet hell.

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Outside of that small disaster, the floor inside the passenger compartment seemed to be in relatively great shape. There were a few small holes I thought would be easy to fill and we could be on our way. Yeah…not so much, a new floor pan was on order. The benefit is the new floor included the tunnel.

A nice large box from dynacorn arrived

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Out comes the angle grinder and the bad sections of floor. We decided to patch in only the needed pieces and not replace the whole floor.

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and tacking in a section

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three patches in and one more to go

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front section out
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Coating on the cross members and braces
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and the last patch welded in place
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That's all for tonight. Thanks for following along.

Ryan
 

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just a little fun fact
the factory hole for shifter was cut with a cutting torch,ragged edges and all.
I m glad to see you sectioned in only the needed areas.
 
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You are really moving on this! Awesome work,

Thanks!

I'll bet you...It is

It is as good as NYC, or it is the water? I'll be in Canton or passing through in the next few months. I'll shoot you a PM when the trip gets a little closer.

just a little fun fact
the factory hole for shifter was cut with a cutting torch,ragged edges and all.
I m glad to see you sectioned in only the needed areas.

i can't decide if it was more work to do it in sections or not, but we preserved more of the original metal.

On the car in my avatar, I think they used an ax. ;)

Same on my GM product.

Buick did it like that also.

That's one feature I'm not going for factor look on.

The next update will be some engine and trans. work

Ryan
 
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Cool story. Nice car.

Have you run the PHS on it yet? That will tell you the selling dealer, all the options, etc.

I've had a few of these cars, including a few Ram Air III Judges, Ram Air IV GTO, a few 69
's and now a 68 convt. If you need a new nose or a 4 sp driveshaft, I've got spares. Have a lot of other stuff, too.

Good luck.

Scott
 

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Cool story. Nice car.

Have you run the PHS on it yet? That will tell you the selling dealer, all the options, etc.

I've had a few of these cars, including a few Ram Air III Judges, Ram Air IV GTO, a few 69
's and now a 68 convt. If you need a new nose or a 4 sp driveshaft, I've got spares. Have a lot of other stuff, too.

Good luck.

Scott
Yep theres a few others of us from the old PY forum on here as well.
 

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Stationed in San Diego in the seventies a Navy buddy had a yellow '68 GTO with black vinyl top with cutouts for the headers. Popular with the neighbors! I was born and raised in Oakfield NY, about 40 miles east of Buffalo. Kinda miss it, but not enough to go back. Dig the rebuild though!

John
 
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Sorry for the delay in posting. I still have a long way to go - but have also made quite a bit of progress. I'll document more with photos this weekend. Tomorrow I'll be replacing the package shelf. There's not enough left on the trunk edge to salvage. I'm much farther ahead than the posts above. It seems to take almost as much time to document as it does to do the work.

Ryan
 
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I think that I'll jump on board for the ride if that's ok.

I'm not a GTO guy but back in the day I drove a 69 Grand Prix SJ
I loved that car. I was single It was brand new and before I should have made my first payment (6 weeks)the car had 10,000 miles on it and GM repoped it

I bought another one about a year later (a 1970) and drove it for several years

I enjoy rebuilding cars and look forward to your updates

Don
 

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Just found your thread and want to follow along on the "Acorn Build", it sure looked like a lot of work when you first picked it up! but you sure have made a lot of good progress :thumbup: look forward to seeing it with some paint on it and back on the road :pimpflash Awesome to see your saving this one from the scrap yard!


Don great story on your 69 Grand Prix :lol:
 
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Sorry for the long delay. I started this project with the intent that once warm weather breaks I’d put it on the back burner and focus on my main hobby – boating.


I’ll derail the GTO build for a post or two with some boat photos. We’ve has this 27’ Fountain Fever for 5 years and it’s a great boat (now). I’ve replaced or rebuilt just about everything on it – engine, transom assembly, outdrive, transom, stringers, dash, upholstery etc. With 600 horses it moves along quite well too – as long as Lake Erie was behaving.

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It’s been a great boat but my wife and I were looking for something a little larger. After looking at a number of boats that were either overpriced, needed a lot of work or both we found the perfect replacement. Enter a 42’ Fountain Lightning.

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It checks all the boxes for now and it’s exceptionally clean. Twin Mercury Racing engines that are (now) putting out over 1000hp total, it moves along nicely and can handles any water condition we’ve thrown at it. Family wise, the biggest benefit is the enclosed head and much larger cabin for overnighting.

Like anything that floats, flys or fuc… maintenance is required. Prepping for winterization this past October there was a noise in the valve train on the starboard engine. Pulling the valve cover revealed a few valve springs that decided to call it quits. I pulled both engines the next weekend with the hopes that the port was okay and only needed a top end.

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Fast forward to January 2020 – both engines got a full rebuild with top shelf stuff and are ready to go back in the boat. While I was rebuilding, the work on the GTO remained on hold as to not contaminate the garage with a bunch of grinding dust.

With both engines complete and sealed up - work can restart on the GTO!

Stay tuned.
 

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Glad I found this thread. Very cool OP

A new car was driven-to a barn and disassembled, and left that way until you acquired it? What a shame it wasn't better-stored its entire life. Good luck with the work.

I had a '67 GTO convertible w/4-speed once, but when I was offered 3X what I paid for it, "goodbye!" That was a duration of less-than a year of ownership, and no real expense in maintaining it or modifications.

I still have a pair of headlight bezels I found when I tore-down a shed recently.

It was a '68 and the guy bought it in the early 80s...so a 20 year old car was left in a barn.
 
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"42 footer" now that is a boat
Nice find


Nice looking boat.

uuhhhh I'm not sure what part of this thread I like the most anymore. Sweet Fountain!

~Jim~

Thanks!!
I'm not into boats but that is bad ***.

It's an incredible piece of machinery for sure.
Glad I found this thread. Very cool OP

Thank you

Can you tell us more about the powerplants in both boats???

I can put up some info and a few more photos this evening.

Ryan
 

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How many hours were on the blue merc's? Surprised to see a broken spring...
Did you modify and upgrade further in 'full rebuild'? Cam?
Anyhow, nice Fountain.
 
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As requested – the 27 fever started out with a Gen V Mercury Racing HP500. When I bought the boat It was supposed to have an upgraded cam (stock cam was not good for reversion) and some other work done to it. I pulled the engine that fall to do a leak down test and some general maintenance. The leak down was okay on the front two cylinders and got progressively worse the father back I went. I pulled a head and found water sitting on top of piston #8 – same with #7. I stripped the whole engine down (found that there was no work done to it ever), tested the block and crank (both good) and rebuild from there.


The list of new parts included:
High capacity oil cooler
½” (or maybe it was 5/8”) oil lines
Oil thermostat
Callies H-beam rods
ARP Hardware
Diamond pistons
AFR heads with CNC porting and hard anodize
Morel lifters
Custom ground Cam motion cam with LS firing order
Scorpion racing rockers
Stud girdles
Pro-systems 1000cfm carb
New GIL style manifolds and risers
10Qt oil pan
There’s probably more that I’m forgetting, but the idea was a bullet proof 509 putting out over 600 HP/TQ. We dyno’d at the local shop and in full marine dress it made the target numbers – and flooded out the dyno room – but that’s another story.

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The crown of this engine is a flame arrestor I made and painted to match.

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The engine has been nearly flawless, only a minor carb issue to work through. I’ll be getting it ready to sell sometime this spring. We’ll miss it, but not too much as the 42 will fill the gap :)
 
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On the 42 – they started life also as Mercury Racing HP500’s with Gen VI blocks. The previous owner said the engines were gone through once by the original owner but had no documentation to show what was done or when but thought the cams were replaced, top ends done (see a pattern here?)– I bought it with the knowledge that I would have to do the top ends at a minimum over the winter. I was planning for springs and gaskets and maybe a valve job so I was not all too shocked when I saw the broken spring on the starboard engine. The hull has 580 hours, the Merc springs last 2-300 hours so in my head I thought if the engines were gone through at around 250-300 hours, then I’d be pushing it but should be able to make it to close to 600 without failure. I missed it by that much…


Upon teardown both heads on engine one had two broken springs and the corresponding valves and seats were a little hammered. The springs are all duals with a damper between the inner and outer spring. On hole #8 the inner spring got pulverized and ran through the oil system and trashed the bearings. It also took out the valve guide. It looked like someone had dumped a spoonful of silver anti-seize under the valve cover. To my good fortune, all hard parts were perfect – but everything with small passages that couldn’t be easily cleaned was replaced.


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I had the local shop rebuild the heads. They were cleaned, decked, and received Inconel exhaust valves, SS intake valves, Isky endurance springs, new guides where appropriate, seals, valve job and springs shimmed to get the right seat pressure. I had the shop do the heads on both engines so everything would match.

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They also decked both blocks to clean up the head surface. The bores measured well within limit for size, circularity and taper so I got lucky and didn’t need to increase the bore size, which meant no new pistons ☺

Cranks and pistons measured spot on, so it was as simple matter of new bearings, rings and oil pumps to get the short blocks complete. I did run into an issue with some clevite bearings that were bad out of the box, but the shop swapped them out for me so I could keep the builds going. The cams I pulled out were not the original merc cams, but Crane 731’s which I reused. I put in new crane lifters, and Comp ultra pro magnum rockers. All new oil lines and oil coolers, gaskets etc.
I’m sure I’m forgetting details here – but these should be good for another 300 hours.

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Here's a shot that shows the graphics on the top deck - the large surface was a perfect canvas and begging for some color.

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Before I put out the fire on the credit card and while the engines are already out, I ordered the Merc parts necessary to rebuild both transom assemblies. There’s nothing wrong with them, but it’s easier to do it now than to pull engines again later. Merc wants a small fortune for the upper steering pin and I had a 2” bar of 17-4PH….

A few hours later the pin emerged from the bar – actually I made one a year or so ago with the intent on using it on the 27, but went another direction on that project so I only needed to make one more to match. The OEM pin is not stainless and rusts over time, tearing up a $12 seal that keeps water out of the bilge. Planned obsolescence maybe?

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While I’m diverging. Here’s two more lathe projects that helped this build along. First is a bar of nylon I turned to use as a ring setting tool. It set the piston rings 1” on the bore and square to the surface for accurate ring gap measurements.

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The other is an oil pick tube installation tool. This was so much easier to use than trying to beat the pickup on with an open ended wrench. I think the split collar was a slice off the same 2” bar I made the pins from.

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So both engines are tucked away waiting some warmer weather. The boat is in a friend’s heated shop for the winter however it’s too packed with other boats to work on until spring breaks and we can move some stuff outside.

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Mercury Racing is one of my accounts. I have had an overhead view of the build floor. It is in it's own building and is quite nice.
 
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