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1st time Epoxy Project

hermosim

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I just wanted to share my experience with applying 100% epoxy solids to my garage floor. I too have been hesitant in the past and just figured...what the heck. I decided to clear out my single car garage one day and put everything in our double (this is where the wife parks). She arrived and, well you can guess the reaction. Anyway...on to the project...in the end she was actually happy.

I did do quite a bit of research and decided to go with the high build system from colorchips....honestly I could have gone with Legacy's system as well (BTW...Scotty was very helpful in answering questions)....I tossed a coin. I actually started on a Wed night by cleaning the concrete with a good degreaser/concrete cleaner and a pressure washer. I decided to do a diamond grind due to some overspray paint in the back area...and just wanted to use a new machine although a little pricy @ $350 including delivery...wife was not happy about this. I did the diamond grind Thursday night and cleaned up the mess. I chose not to use my 4000 psi pressure washer again...too much of a mess so I applied a phosphorus cleaner etching solution to make sure I got out the residue out of the pores from the grinding. It worked really well.

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Picture after diamond etching the floor. It took me about 2 hrs to grind 340 sq ft and another 30 min to grind the edges with a 7" and 4" grinder both with diamond cup heads. Lots of dust...even with a VAC.

Day 1 Diamond Grind complete .jpg

Day 2 I used the Devoe Primer 167 completed by 9-1000 AM.

Day 2 Primer 167 completed.jpg

Day 3 Norklad 200 100% solids completed by 1000 AM. It is true that this is a two person job. Need to have someone cutting in while the other person uses the squeegee to spread the material. Be mindful of the ribbons of epoxy you spread on the floor..... I have to say that the kit is close to 350 sq ft. I managed to get it all on, spread out, back-rolled (this is huge and a must)...makes it nice and smooth. Also, 18" roller is a must have! I spread the chips out AFTER all of the epoxy was spread out and back-rolled. Spike shoes are also a must have...should have had a pair for my wife as well. Overall it took me 50 min from the time I began mixing the material to when I last "fed the chickens" with the colored chips! Not bad for a first timer. Bottom line - you must work fast, be efficient and know what needs to be done and when. Planning before hand by doing some research, watching videos, asking questions, having the right tools, laying everything out where you can see it and get to it, etc... was very helpful.

Day 3 Norklad 200 complete with chips.jpg

Nice even spread of chips throughout...med to heavy spread...everyone's advice to toss them up in the air is key...it just works. This was after the base coat of 100% solids in Med Gray. Chips - 1/4" Custom blend Blue, Black, White, Red, Light Gray, and glow-n-dark chips

After Norklad 200 1:4" Custom blend Blue, Black, White, Red, Light Gray, and glow-n-dark chips.jpg

Next morning (Day 4) I started at about 8 AM and was finished by 845. I put coat of 100% solids clear.....it was a piece of cake. It goes on VERY easy and fast. You almost don't need to cut in the edges if you just flow the material to the wall with the squeegee. Once I spread it all out I went back over it all with the squeegee again and then back-rolled it. Like I said, piece of cake. I should add that I tightened the spiked shoes before I started this morning. I have to confess...I failed to tighten the spikes the day before and had several nuts coming off while I spread the base coat the day before....yes I found all of the nuts...:eek:).

Day 4 Clear solids complete.jpg


Day 5 Labor Day, I was pressed for time...cloudy humid morning. Started setting out my things and it started to sprinkle...lasted about 20 min and stopped. Humidity levels were at about 85%. I could have waited but I did not want to push the install past the 24hr period and have to sand the clear epoxy so I took my chances. I used Colorchips' HPU 747 which goes on thin as suggested however in higher humidity it seems to tack up quickly...however it could also be that I used a drill to mix it which may have caused the urethane to tack up sooner...not sure...it was just very humid that day though . The finish has a nice high gloss but has some orange peel through out though not too bad. There are some areas where I can see the roller marks but again not too bad. The fumes are horrible and yes a mask is a must have and must use. I ended up sealing up the door with tape from the inside to keep the fumes from going into the house. Overall I am pleased with the outcome and how easy yet time intensive the material was to put down. The advise I would give to folks is have the right tools, squeegee, spiked shoes...2 pairs...one for you and one for your wife, buckets to mix, mixer, xylene (must have cleaner), respiratory mask for the urethane. Also it helps to plan out all of the logistics before you begin.....once you start you are committed and cannot stop for anything. So...tighten up your spikes and use the bathroom before you begin!

Day 5 HPU747 complete.jpg

My next project is to coat the edges and wood steps...there was no time for that during the process of putting down the floor. Next spring it will be the two car garage.

hope everyone enjoys and finds my first post helpful.
 
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flexer

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Couple questions:

1. Total cost you spent?
2. Total Square Footage you covered?
3. Would you have done anything different that you did?

JR
 

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PLEASE take a picture of the chips at night... I have always wanted to see the glow in the dark chips other than manufacture 'altered' photos...

looks great!

-Nigel
 
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hermosim

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Hi everyone....I will answer the three replies I received below. Let me know if there is any other questions.

1. Total cost you spent? - I spent about $650 for the products and included shipping. Please note there is a primer coat, first layer of 100% solids base color, 2nd layer of 100% clear, and then a urethane coat. It would have been about $130 or so less than that. I then paid about another $350 for the diamond grinder....Sunbelt charged me $100 round trip...drop off and pick up.

2. Total Square Footage you covered? - 340 sq ft It is about 13.5' x 25'

3. Would you have done anything different that you did? Not sure...certainly not worry as much as I did....:eek:) Seriously, I don't think I will use a drill to mix the urethane...it can be mixed easily with a paint stick. I think that caused my urethane to begin to get tacky sooner...just not sure...someone else may know. I also would add in some of the real fine grit to add some traction. I am sure it takes away from the smooth look but I need to watch my backside if water gets on the surface. So I will be sanding the floor with 100 grit and then follow with a water wipe down to remove the dust followed by a wipe down with xylene....then get right down to another coat of HP747.....this time I will sprinkle on the grit and back-roll it.

the other question was about the type of solution I used to etch the floor ...bought it at from Home Depot..I am sure Lowe's carries it as well. Klean-Strip (1-Gallon Phosphoric Prep and Etch). I mixed it as per the instructions and used a watering can to spread out ...the purpose it served for me was to clean out the pores of the concrete from the grinding I did. I am sure if added some profile to the floor as well...it fizzed nicely and evenly throughout. Oh and it won't hurt your lawn either when you rinse it off and it runs onto your grass.

here is a pic of the glow in the dark chips. The picture just does not do it justice. They really do glow in the dark just like any glow in the dark product....I only had about one pound however not all of it was used on the floor since I still had some of my custom mix left over....I guess in hind sight I would use at least two pounds for this size of garage to give it a better effect.

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Very nice! Like you I worried WAY to much after reading several horror stories. Do wish I would have put some glow chips on!! In the attempt to make it look like I was trying to save a few $$ I bought dollar store wooden spoons chucked them in my drill and to be honest they performed great for "stirring " seems pathetic when we are talking hundreds for products but made her happy & like your wife she likes it now
 

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Thanks for the writeup!

More info please on the grinder. Did you purchase it new? Manuf., model, wheels,grit, etc. How long did it take to do all of the grinding?
 
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hermosim

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The grinder was an edco dual disc...link below...there is also a video.

http://www.edcoinc.com/floor-grinders-2ec.html

This link from Amazon will give you a good view of what the DymaSerts look like...they basically are wedged in with wooden shims....go figure.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004K1F6WW/?tag=hyprod-20&hvadid=19396436136&hvpos=1o1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3951948701487430971&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&ref=asc_df_B004K1F6WW

I rented the machine from Sunbelt rentals. It was a big machine but not difficult to maneuver. A single head machine would do just fine....they did not have one. As for the grit just ask for the DymaSerts...three blocks per wheel and each block has three diamond encrusted blades. it works...just make nice steady even passes. If you move it quickly it will show rings.

Now you will be left with about a 4-6" edge around your floor and more so in the corners. I used a 7" and a 4"diamond cup wheel. Home Depot rented the 7" grinder for about $30 and I had to buy the 7" head for $90. Sunbelt was asking for $180 for the day...I saved $$ and now have a diamond cup head. I also bought the 4" head just to see what it would do...$40....it made a lot of dust because I do not have a head cover with dust extraction for my 4" grinder...but you can buy one.

Honestly I would recommend buying a Diamabrush head tool instead and putting it on a 4 1/2 grinder. Legacy Industrial sells the head for $120....http://legacyindustrial.net/cart/hand-tool-for-removalprep-p-233.html

Overall the grinding took me about 3 hours....I would do it again.
 

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Honestly I would recommend buying a Diamabrush head tool instead and putting it on a 4 1/2 grinder. Legacy Industrial sells the head for $120....http://legacyindustrial.net/cart/hand-tool-for-removalprep-p-233.html

Overall the grinding took me about 3 hours....I would do it again.

I saw that video somewhere on the web and did not know it was under Legacy. I was upset at another false posted MFG video. If you watch the grinding of course if is faster but no explain of real time it took. That is not a big issue it is the before and after picture shots at the end of the video.

It clearly shows the tool leaving a 1 to 2 inch gap from the walls due to the dust shield I guess during 90% of the video. Then at the end of the video it shows the gap on the edge of the wall to be 1/4 inch?

How does the tool get so close? It must be with no guard and that I bet would have caused the room to be full of dust and no video would have been able to be captured. At least say how it was done.


Hand-Tool-for-Removal Prep Video


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Familyof8kids

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The above post is not to be rude to Legacy. Legacy has been nothing but top notch on everything that I have asked of them.

I was trying to explain the MFG of the product has a video to explain the product that is not all true in some ways. Legacy only sales that product and has no control of the product demo.

Again Legacy is the MFG that I am using on my next floor coating project so that shows I am not trying to slam them.
 
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hermosim

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I for one did not take your comments to be negative. As for the floor diamond grinder it will leave about a 4-6" unground space from the wall. It will be a little more in the corners. Yes, DO NOT remove the cover unless you want a lot of dust....A LOT. the 4" grinder I used without a cover was horrible....I can deal with the dust by wearing a mask but I could not see. Also you don't have to be so perfect with that last 4" against the wall. Grind as much as you can and move on. Going back over with a phosphorus etching made me feel more comfortable not getting it perfect on the edges. You cannot tell after the epoxy is on.
 
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