2 post lift questions

[Tunajoe]

Can a 9000 pound lift my Ford F-250 diesel truck?
Looks like my super duty crew cab pickup has a curb weight of around 8800 pounds.
What the rule of thumb on lift weight limits? 80% of what it's rated at?

Along with my truck, I'll also be lifting a 1971 Corvette, and a Honda Pilot.
What determines when to get an asymmetric or symmetric lift?

Lastly, the lift will be installed outside my garage in Southern California.

Seems most lift manufacturers void the warranty if installed outside. I was initially planning on buying a used one off CL, but am now considering an inexpensive lift from http://shopequipmentla.com/two-post-lifts/209c-2/
Anyone on the GJ forum purchase one from here?
I also have the option of buying a new Danmar 10,000 lift that is scratched for $2000.
Since it will be used sparingly and be located outside, I'm looking to minimize my expense.
I've also called Bend Pak ( BP is about 20 minutes from my house) to see if they had any demos, scratch and dent, or returns for a discounted price, but I had no luck.
I also called Danmar which is located about 45 minutes from my house to see what they had available and the fellow I spoke with was super helpful and was willing to give me a decent deal on a Max Jax for about $1799 if I pick it up.

Looking to take advantage of the forums wisdom.

Thanks!

 

[JJThrasher]

What year truck? I bet weighs less than you think. Maybe 8000 depending on what you have in it, my bet would be in the 7000s though.

How much you can lift only depends on the rated capacity of the lift in theory. In reality it also depends on the quality of the lift. At work I use a 6000lb lift, that is quality and American made. Even though its only rated for 6000lbs, I've lifted 8000lbs with it before. I wouldn't even try that with a low buck import lift.

 

[ToolmanGary]

I have a 9000# Bend pak, I lift F350 CC 4x4 dually diesels without any problems.

 

[vhol5]

The Automotive Lift Institute certifies lifts at 150%. Not all lifts are certified, but most of those that aren't, are copied anyway. Quality control, on the other hand...

 

[Tunajoe]

What year truck? I bet weighs less than you think. Maybe 8000 depending on what you have in it, my bet would be in the 7000s though.

How much you can lift only depends on the rated capacity of the lift in theory. In reality it also depends on the quality of the lift. At work I use a 6000lb lift, that is quality and American made. Even though its only rated for 6000lbs, I've lifted 8000lbs with it before. I wouldn't even try that with a low buck import lift.

2003 and it's a standard bed.

Good stuff guys, any. Other advice is much appreciated

 

[KDXSR5]

Weigh your truck's front and rear axles with a typical day-to-day load. If both axles are under 4500lb each, then a 9000lb lift should be good to go. If you have 5000 on the front and 4000 on the rear, I would be looking at a 10,000lb lift.

Let's say, for example, my diesel dually weighs less than 9000 lbs in day to day trim, but the front axle weighs more than 4500 lbs due to the odd weight distribution of a diesel truck with a heavy front bumper. This means I need to look at a 10,000lb lift. Would I possibly be ok with a 9000lb lift? Maybe, but why risk your life for a few hundred bucks?

 

[Tunajoe]

Weigh your truck's front and rear axles with a typical day-to-day load. If both axles are under 4500lb each, then a 9000lb lift should be good to go. If you have 5000 on the front and 4000 on the rear, I would be looking at a 10,000lb lift.

Let's say, for example, my diesel dually weighs less than 9000 lbs in day to day trim, but the front axle weighs more than 4500 lbs due to the odd weight distribution of a diesel truck with a heavy front bumper. This means I need to look at a 10,000lb lift. Would I possibly be ok with a 9000lb lift? Maybe, but why risk your life for a few hundred bucks?

How would you weigh a trucks front axle?

 

[ms fowler]

The key to your question is the loading of each arm. A 9000# lift is designed to lift a maximum of 2250# per arm. One of the illustrations used by Greg Smith ( I think) is lifting a fork lift. That forklift may weigh "only" 8000 lbs, but its like 6000# at one end, and 2000# at the other. Total weight is 8000, but with 3000# on each of the front arms, it would require a lift capacity of 12000# or more.

 

[zkdiesel]

Your truck will weigh in around 7700 with no extra stuff I it but normal items(i.e. Welder, 100 gal fuel tank in bed, ladder racks$
9 k will be fine but most won't have long enough arms to reach the factory pickup points so you will ha e to improvise

 

[Tunajoe]

The key to your question is the loading of each arm. A 9000# lift is designed to lift a maximum of 2250# per arm. One of the illustrations used by Greg Smith ( I think) is lifting a fork lift. That forklift may weigh "only" 8000 lbs, but its like 6000# at one end, and 2000# at the other. Total weight is 8000, but with 3000# on each of the front arms, it would require a lift capacity of 12000# or more.

Ok, that makes sense, thank you!

Your truck will weigh in around 7700 with no extra stuff I it but normal items(i.e. Welder, 100 gal fuel tank in bed, ladder racks$
9 k will be fine but most won't have long enough arms to reach the factory pickup points so you will ha e to improvise

I have nothing in my truck. Just a bare bones truck. Does my owner manual say where the lift points are?

 

[KDXSR5]

To get axle weights, go to a weigh station/scale found at port of entries, recyclers, waste disposal facilities, quarries, truck stops, granaries, etc. Weigh one axle at a time. This will give you front weight, rear weight, and added together will give you total weight. It may cost a few bucks to use a scale.

I have a port of entry about 5 miles from my house that leaves the scales activated during off hours. I can drive over and get weights for free there, as they are shown on a large display outside.

If you do a Google search for public scale in your area, I bet you will find one. It probably won't be free though.

 

[WhiffySpark]

A regular cab you will need extensions. Our bendpack 10k will lift it with a rear extension

I wouldn't worry about axle weights.

 

[Ree75]

Along with my truck, I'll also be lifting a 1971 Corvette, and a Honda Pilot.
What determines when to get an asymmetric or symmetric lift?

Make sure when you lift your vette, you have doors,trunks, hood, t-tops removed. Vette's do flex (might be a wives tale but I would not rather find out) and while you might get lucky several times and not break anything, you might also get unlucky and damage something.

 

[APEowner]

Start by weighing your truck so you really know what it is. My '01 F250 4x4 extra cab 8' box weighs 8k. The check with the manufacture of the lift you're looking at.

 

[rburke65]

Take the truck to a scale and get each end....axle ......weighed. As far as your owners manual stating the lift points, I don't have your manual.

 

[Tunajoe]

To get axle weights, go to a weigh station/scale found at port of entries, recyclers, waste disposal facilities, quarries, truck stops, granaries, etc. Weigh one axle at a time. This will give you front weight, rear weight, and added together will give you total weight. It may cost a few bucks to use a scale.

I have a port of entry about 5 miles from my house that leaves the scales activated during off hours. I can drive over and get weights for free there, as they are shown on a large display outside.

If you do a Google search for public scale in your area, I bet you will find one. It probably won't be free though.

I know right where to go. Thanks for the explanation.

Take the truck to a scale and get each end....axle ......weighed. As far as your owners manual stating the lift points, I don't have your manual.

lol, Thank you!
I wasn't asking you to look for me. I was asking if lifting points are in the owners manual.

 

[Tunajoe]

So, I found a 2005 BendPak 10,000 lift that was in a storage locker that some guy bought. Sort of a "storage wars" type of thing.
It's a MX 10 and the guy wants $2000. I don't really want to pay 2K for a lift I know nothing about but since it's right over the hill, I'll go take a look.

Another lift popped up that's a "Universal Lift".

Anyone ever heard of that brand?
Not much came up when I googled it.

 

[zkdiesel]

So, I found a 2005 BendPak 10,000 lift that was in a storage locker that some guy bought. Sort of a "storage wars" type of thing.
It's a MX 10 and the guy wants $2000. I don't really want to pay 2K for a lift I know nothing about but since it's right over the hill, I'll go take a look.

Another lift popped up that's a "Universal Lift".

Anyone ever heard of that brand?
Not much came up when I googled it.

Don't wanna spend 2k for a ten k lift? Might as well just go buy a floor jack and jack stands.

 

[dave89iroc]

Make sure when you lift your vette, you have doors,trunks, hood, t-tops removed. Vette's do flex (might be a wives tale but I would not rather find out) and while you might get lucky several times and not break anything, you might also get unlucky and damage something.

Vetts do flex, I've never heard of any damage done, but if you lift one, then open a door, its likely the door will not shut until its back on its wheels

 

[shelteredV]

Don't wanna spend 2k for a ten k lift? Might as well just go buy a floor jack and jack stands.

that's a smoking deal for that lift. If you don't want it, post where it is so maybe someone else here can get the deal.

 

[WhiffySpark]

Vetts do flex, I've never heard of any damage done, but if you lift one, then open a door, its likely the door will not shut until its back on its wheels

I've always been taught to open everything on those. Even the 70s cars we always opened whatever would open.

 

[dave89iroc]

I've always been taught to open everything on those. Even the 70s cars we always opened whatever would open.

I see no reason not to, its a good idea

 

[Tunajoe]

Don't wanna spend 2k for a ten k lift? Might as well just go buy a floor jack and jack stands.

Nope. Not unless it's in perfect shape.

I can get a brand new "scratch and dent" Danmar 10,000 lift for the same 2K.
But, I have to haul my trailer into LA and fight the traffic. Going to look at that one on Thursday.

that's a smoking deal for that lift. If you don't want it, post where it is so maybe someone else here can get the deal.

Maybe because of where I live, but I see all brands of lifts on CL for decent prices.

I had a different thread on here that I started for the Challenger 10,000 lift I was going to buy for $1300.
Not one person replied on it.
It was about 6 years old and was pulled out of a dealership. The guy was a bit flakey, but I probably should of made the 2 hour drive into LA for that one. He had 6 of them.
Any interested, let me know and I'll pass the guys number to you

 

[racerock]

that's a smoking deal for that lift. If you don't want it, post where it is so maybe someone else here can get the deal.

Assuming it is recently made and well cared for:

I'll second that

 

[racerock]

Can a 9000 pound lift my Ford F-250 diesel truck?
QUOTE]

Really?

 

[rburke65]

Make sure when you lift your vette, you have doors,trunks, hood, t-tops removed. Vette's do flex (might be a wives tale but I would not rather find out) and while you might get lucky several times and not break anything, you might also get unlucky and damage something.

Do you think that a dealership, when servicing a corvette, removes the doors, trunk and the hood before lifting it? Really?

 

[WhiffySpark]

Do you think that a dealership, when servicing a corvette, removes the doors, trunk and the hood before lifting it? Really?

You just open them. Don't remove it. T tops you can remove if you want. I usually just pop them open

 

[lakeroadster]

Can a 9000 pound lift my Ford F-250 diesel truck?

Looks like my super duty crew cab pickup has a curb weight of around 8800 pounds.

What the rule of thumb on lift weight limits? 80% of what it's rated at?
......

I was initially planning on buying a used one off CL, but am now considering an inexpensive lift from http://shopequipmentla.com/two-post-lifts/209c-2/

You sure about that 8,800 lb weight?

Found this online:
WEIGHT (pounds)
Curb weight 6,010
Advertised GVWR 8,800

Rule of thumb is to know the curb weights of the vehicle and never exceed the lift capacity. So if you have a 10,000 lb capacity 2 post lift that means the front pair of arms can lift 5,000 lbs, same for the rear.

So if the front axle curb weight is less than 5,000 lb and the rear axle curb weight is less than 5,000 lb you can lift that vehicle.

If the vehicle is factory stock you can get an idea by looking at the GAWR weights on the sticker in the door jamb... but that is Gross Axle Weight Rating (GAWR)... not the actual curb axle weight for your vehicle..

Have you seen this? Testing Strength Of 2 Post Lift

Inexpensive lift.... You have to remember, the cheap stuff may work just fine if you never lift anything close to it's rated capacity. But if your the 1st guy to put a 8,800 lb truck on that 9K model of lift.. you'll be the guy that just found out there's a problem.

 

[zkdiesel]

Nope. Not unless it's in perfect shape.

I can get a brand new "scratch and dent" Danmar 10,000 lift for the same 2K.
But, I have to haul my trailer into LA and fight the traffic. Going to look at that one on Thursday.




Maybe because of where I live, but I see all brands of lifts on CL for decent prices.

I had a different thread on here that I started for the Challenger 10,000 lift I was going to buy for $1300.
Not one person replied on it.
It was about 6 years old and was pulled out of a dealership. The guy was a bit flakey, but I probably should of made the 2 hour drive into LA for that one. He had 6 of them.
Any interested, let me know and I'll pass the guys number to you

So your only qualification for a lift is that it's cheap! Wow
I'm personally glad I have a pair of rotarys I bought brand new for $5600 and 5800
I'd own two of mine before owning 6 junks for the same price

 

[Tunajoe]

Zkdiesel
Sounds like you are a professional mechanic. If you read my posts you'd know that the lift will be used very sparingly. In fact I really only need it to lift my vette to repair the rear differential. I'm sure I'll change the oil on our vehicles too. I don't wrench professionally.
It's interesting how some people seem to take offense when you try to save s few bucks.
I've always "shopped around" when buying "toys". Why spend more when you don't have to?
I'd like to think that's how I've gotten ahead in life to small degree.

Back on track....


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[Falcon67]

>Looks like my super duty crew cab pickup has a curb weight of around 8800 pounds.

Our F350 DRW extend cab 7.5L gas only weighs 5800 lbs. I've scaled it. Diesel and 4x4 would add 1000~1500. 3000 lbs seems like a bit of a stretch.

 

[Tunajoe]

>Looks like my super duty crew cab pickup has a curb weight of around 8800 pounds.

Our F350 DRW extend cab 7.5L gas only weighs 5800 lbs. I've scaled it. Diesel and 4x4 would add 1000~1500. 3000 lbs seems like a bit of a stretch.

thanks Falcon!

 

[Tunajoe]

Update!
Going to pick up my Forward brand 9000 pound lift today from a seller thats moving his shop to another city.
It's a DP97-A model. He's the original owner, it's in great shape, and the best part......
Cost me $900!
Doesn't Rotary own Forward Lifts?

 

[lakeroadster]

Doesn't Rotary own Forward Lifts?

They must have some tie in. When you go to the ALI site and search the database for 'Forward" it lists the participant's name as "Rotary Lift" and the brand name as "Forward Lift".

I didn't see a DP97-A Forward Lift in the list of certified lifts though?

http://www.autolift.org/ali-directo...ductbrand=11495&rateload=&searchsubmit=Search

Did find a link to a manual for the DP-97A, dated 2001: http://www.forwardlift.com/manuals/Forward Old Manuals/FW 2 Post 9K Lifts/DP97-2001.pdf

 

[APEowner]

>Looks like my super duty crew cab pickup has a curb weight of around 8800 pounds.

Our F350 DRW extend cab 7.5L gas only weighs 5800 lbs. I've scaled it. Diesel and 4x4 would add 1000~1500. 3000 lbs seems like a bit of a stretch.

My F250 extended cab, 8' bed, 7.3L diesel, 4x4, manual trans truck weights 7,800 with about a half a tank of fuel and the tool box that lives in the back. The real message is that if you're anywhere near the lift capacity you should weigh the truck. In fact, you should weigh it anyway. I was a bit chagrined to find out how much mine weighs since there was a 4ton weight limit bridge on the most convenient route from the lumber yard to my house in NY.

 

[Tunajoe]

They must have some tie in. When you go to the ALI site and search the database for 'Forward" it lists the participant's name as "Rotary Lift" and the brand name as "Forward Lift".

I didn't see a DP97-A Forward Lift in the list of certified lifts though?

http://www.autolift.org/ali-directo...ductbrand=11495&rateload=&searchsubmit=Search

Did find a link to a manual for the DP-97A, dated 2001: http://www.forwardlift.com/manuals/Forward Old Manuals/FW 2 Post 9K Lifts/DP97-2001.pdf

I think I noticed the lift does have a sticker showing it's certified.
It's an older lift so maybe that's why it's not listed?