2023 Garage Sale Thread

[Provincial]

Why were the planes abandoned?

Mike

The performance of the P-39 was inadequate above about 10,000 feet altitude, and most were shot down, or shot up by Japanese Zero fighters. Others suffered damage from landing accidents at the crude airstrips in the area. Once damaged, or worn badly enough to require more than simple maintenance, lack of personnel and parts made it impractical to repair them, and better airplanes replaced them. The hulks were stripped of useful parts. The machine guns were prized by the Marines, who used them to defend Henderson Field on Guadalcanal.

It is important to consider just how overstretched the supply lines were in the South Pacific theater. Everything was in short supply until late in 1942, an even later in some cases.

 

[d42jeep]

A little duct tape and it’ll be as good as new.
Merry Christmas everyone!

-Don

 

[d42jeep]

I’m pretty sure that this one was parted out.
-Don

 

[Smokeshow69]

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[Old Radar]

My 2 cents: July 1972 Air Force Magazine, There I Was... by Bob Stevens.

 

[bmwrd0]

Merry Christmas, everyone!

 

[Debcrow]

From 1942 onward the US lost on average 170 planes a day.

A good friend of mine, who I worked for as a kid and later helped take care of was in the 8th AAF in England. The losses were horrific, and moral was not good. But they kept flying, even with terrible damage. He told me of one b24 that folded a landing gear and T boned another one upon landing. They were both in the air the next day. The one that was T boned did not fly very straight. It did not matter; it was lost over Germany within a couple of weeks.

We can hear these stories and be amazed by them, but we will never be able to actually feel the stress these people went through.

 

[Outlawmws]

From 1942 onward the US lost on average 170 planes a day.

I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers, but just taking that 170 for 2 years doesn't add up:

365*2*170 = 124,000

• United States: Total losses were nearly 95,000 (21,255 in the Pacific[6]), including 52,951 operational losses (38,418 in Europe and 14,533 in the Pacific).[3]

 

[Debcrow]

From what I have read there were a lot of losses not associated with enemy action. The statistic I read was based on 'out of action per day'.
And lot of the losses reported were not total losses, some were back in the air/salvaged.
This was quoted as US aircraft, many of which were flown by other allies in WWII.
Still a staggering number of men and machines.
By the way, the statistics vary greatly from source to source.
65164 by sources compiled by serious WWII buffs.
76875 from some government sources.
The 95000 quoted by WIKI is from USAAF records. Do the USAAF records include the other branches?, I have never been able to confirm this or not from reading.

 

[Old Radar]

God Bless Us, Everyone!

 

[Outlawmws]

And lot of the losses reported were not total losses, some were back in the air/salvaged.

These cannot be counted as a "loss" damaged and lost? maybe. but completely different topics.

The Wiki count is all branches as its "All Air equipment losses)

"Casualties" is the same issue; from a logistics perspective any one killed, wounded, captured, or missing is a casualty this does not mean all were dead. Just no longer available for more fighting.

 

[Smokeshow69]

As thread host I would like to take a moment to wish everyone a Merry Christmas ! It is the most wonderful time of year even if things are not perfect! I would like to take a moment to thank everyone who has participated in this thread. You all have brightened many people’s days, especially when we hit the picking doldrums of the fall/ winter months. Let’s keep this thread going strong as we end this year and a new host picks up for 2024.

 

[Old Man Roger]

Voted

 

[LesserSon]

Merry Christmas from PR!
LesserSonJr & his girlfriend picked up MrsLS & I in San Juan this morning and drove us to Utuado. We stopped at the Arecibo Observatory in hopes of viewing the defunct dish, but the gates were locked. Aparently the facility is being repurposed toward an opening in 2024. IDK if it might be accessible currently on a non-holiday.
Later, we took a “short cut” above the Rio Jauca on a 4-mile goat track labeled PR-606 on GPS. There is just enough macadam at either terminus to fool the unwary into thinking “it won’t that bad,” but it really only serves as a long, single-lane driveway for the dozen or so humans, dogs and innumerable chickens residing among its serpentine coils, and as a graveyard for dozens of junked vehicles and a few major appliances that stand in lieu of guardrails or possibly territorial markers for the locals.
There is no sign of humanity for about a mile at its remotest point, which uncomfortably occurs at a hairpin turn fording a gravelly wash and immediate ascent of a rutted, muddy slope. The scattered traces of asphalt that remain from some over-hopeful ancient project were narrower than the SUV, which was brushed on both side by crowding vegetation.
At this point my son, already dubious of the lagging GPS, stopped and seemed to actually consider backing up the mile to the last plausible turnaround, but with visions of sliding into the verdant abyss below us, I overuled the somewhat distraught ladies, and insisted he keep going.
Fortune smiled upon my advice, and the asphalt congealed again to a thin ribbon, eventually widening to accommodate all four tires. I am grateful that I was not behind the wheel, and my valuation of my son’s unflappable equinamity (at other times, an irritant) has risen appreciably.
Somewhat later than expected, we arrived at our AB&B, and almost immediately, I gave MrsLS a high-5. A 50gal aquarium shares a detached shed with multiple broken vintage items - radios, treadle sewing machines, rusted tools. Ah - truly a home away from home.

And yes, there is a pool and a hot tub (for those that go in for things like that)…but not too far away, I noticed a sign indicating a garage sale (though faded, and possibly associated with a hurricane/earthquake-devastated structure that might, once, have been a garage), so things are looking up.
¡Feliz Navidad!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Ah - truly a home away from home.

Snerk. Love the decor!

I noticed a sign indicating a garage sale (though faded, and possibly associated with a hurricane/earthquake-devastated structure that might, once, have been a garage), so things are looking up.

Yippee! Capitulo Segundo.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

As the end of year draws near, and we all wonder if Dr. Livingstone ("I presume,") aka @LesserSon, will survive the wilds of Puerto Rico, one of the things I noted in retrospect, was how many binoculars were found this year.

Seven (7) total, five (5) from WWII, all classic Navy Bureau of Ships 7 x 50's. Finders were @jb books (*SARD Square D Mk. XLIV - the lightest and sleekest of the bunch, made of drawn aluminum), @ctuai (B&L Mk. II), @3bay (unidentified 10 x 50's), @bmwrd0 (Zeiss), and @genog (Universal Mk. XXXIII, B&L Mk. I, B&L Mk. XIII). Weirdly, none of them were Mark XXVIII, easily the most made and the most commonly found. We've had streaks before (remember the Year of the Daisy Pellet Gun?), but none quite as prolific as the Year of the Binoculars.

Here's a Spencer (American Optical division), not found, but inherited, in Pics 1 - 2, and some references, just for some eye candy, in Pics 3 - 4.

* @jb books - special note, if you didn't already know it, that Square D (which acquired Kollsman Instrument, where SARD's were made, in 1940), now part of Schneider, is the same Square D of electrical fame, including the makers of the legendary "Wiggy" type voltage testers. I found an antique (ca. 1920) model in my 1st haul of the year last year (Lugz 2022_01) and then in February, I found a vintage Square D leather carry case for it in my 14th haul of the year (Lugz 2022_14). See Pics 5 & 6.

 

[Patrickm82]

As the end of year draws near, and we all wonder if Dr. Livingstone ("I presume,") aka @LesserSon, will survive the wilds of Puerto Rico, one of the things I noted in retrospect, was how many binoculars were found this year.

Seven (7) total, five (5) from WWII, all classic Navy Bureau of Ships 7 x 50's. Finders were @jb books (*SARD Square D Mk. XLIV - the lightest and sleekest of the bunch, made of drawn aluminum), @ctuai (B&L Mk. II), @3bay (unidentified 10 x 50's), @bmwrd0 (Zeiss), and @genog (Universal Mk. XXXIII, B&L Mk. I, B&L Mk. XIII). Weirdly, none of them were Mark XXVIII, easily the most made and the most commonly found. We've had streaks before (remember the Year of the Daisy Pellet Gun?), but none quite as prolific as the Year of the Binoculars.

Here's a Spencer (American Optical division), not found, but inherited, in Pics 1 - 2, and some references, just for some eye candy, in Pics 3 - 4.

* @jb books - special note, if you didn't already know it, that Square D (which acquired Kollsman Instrument, where SARD's were made, in 1940), now part of Schneider, is the same Square D of electrical fame, including the makers of the legendary "Wiggy" type voltage testers. I found an antique (ca. 1920) model in my 1st haul of the year last year (Lugz 2022_01) and then in February, I found a vintage Square D leather carry case for it in my 14th haul of the year (Lugz 2022_14). See Pics 5 & 6.

Those wiggys are awesome! Have you tested them on a live circuit?

 

[Outlawmws]

I saw one of the wiggy,s a couple weeks back, (as well as several pair of binoculars over the year) but they were all left behinds as they wanted stupid $$ for them

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Have you tested them on a live circuit?

No.

 

[Outlawmws]

I wouldn't be brave enough to do more that say 120v with one of these...

 

[3baygarage]

I had an exceptional lunch break today when I was invited to pick the BACK ROOM of a Habitat store!

I’d just entered this store which I don’t frequent often, and headed to its typically sparse tool area. As I reached to look at something I was approached by one of the employees.

It was the main guy from the warehouse. He asked what I was looking for. I said automotive tools and the like. He goes “Oh, wrenches and that type stuff? Come with me.”.

I followed him to entrance of the back warehouse, where I paused. I asked “You sure it’s ok for me to come back here?”. He said yep. Pretty sure I asked him that a couple more times too. I know the staff at the other locations would never let people poke around in back.

First glance I noticed a well stocked work bench. He goes “We have all this”, and gestures to a Craftsman top box on the floor, a shopping cart loaded with home improvement tools, five more bins and boxes of hand tools!

I’m thinking is this a dream? He goes “Dig in. Take your time. This is about 3 months worth of tools.” Tells me they can’t put smalls out because people steal. Told me the story of a guy who comes in and steals regularly and pocketed a whole tap and die set one piece at a time! He said the guy still comes in but they just stand behind him and watch him now. I’m like, that’s not a customer, it’s a thief. He said they can’t do anything about the thief because the whole HUMANITY thing. He also said about 200 sockets he set out had vanished.

So, I spent my entire break digging. The chest had a lot of modern USA Craftsman. There had to be 100 screwdrivers piled in a bin. I tried to inspect every wrench and socket in the short amount of time. There was a lot of vintage USA from an estate it seemed.

Anyway, I was very much grateful for him letting me look around as employees were hustling around me receiving goods. I know there is more to see and he said save it for next time. Sweet! He gave me a flat price of $50 for my pile and $3 more for the Dewalt hammer.


Snap-On and Blue-Point. Cutters, wrenches, extension, adapter, flex sockets.

Wood handle nut drivers, unbranded with hex shank. An awl from a Detroit manufacturer (have to take another look). Mac valve core tool. Stanley and unmarked wood driver.

S-K 1/4 set with Cornwell ratchet, a couple Snap-On pcs and misc..
S-K 3/8 flex sockets.

Cornwell goodness and Chrysler MTSC almost a set.

Proto extensions
Proto chevrons, LA wrench, and pliers. Channelock ignition pliers, Crescent 4 incher, Mossberg bicycle wrench, Barcalo starter wrench, Japan oddball metric ignition wrenches, New Britain chisel, Williams locking adjustable, Fuller & AT&G ? bit screwdrivers, Pittsburgh 1/4 rat, Craftsman open end that somehow got tossed in.

 

[bmwrd0]

And then you woke up, right?

(U Hoovered it!)

 

[Outlawmws]

End of the year suckage 3bay, if only for the Invite to the back, and an implied later invite! Not that the haul was bad!

 

[3baygarage]

And then you woke up, right?

(U Hoovered it!)

Yes. Then I got back in traffic and I realized I'm not dreaming!

 

[3baygarage]

End of the year suckage 3bay, if only for the Invite to the back, and an implied later invite! Not that the haul was bad!

Another location I frequent most, it's a wonder they haven't escorted me out or at the very least ask me to leave!

 

[woody 73]

Only in my wildest dreams...

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Wood handle nut drivers, unbranded with hex shank.

Very nice. I have a couple in my miscellaneous drawer. Similar handle, hex shank, and press-fit sockets, but they are uniform, no stepdown like that.

 

[S-K Tool Fanatic!]

I had an exceptional lunch break today when I was invited to pick the BACK ROOM of a Habitat store!

I’d just entered this store which I don’t frequent often, and headed to its typically sparse tool area. As I reached to look at something I was approached by one of the employees.

It was the main guy from the warehouse. He asked what I was looking for. I said automotive tools and the like. He goes “Oh, wrenches and that type stuff? Come with me.”.

I followed him to entrance of the back warehouse, where I paused. I asked “You sure it’s ok for me to come back here?”. He said yep. Pretty sure I asked him that a couple more times too. I know the staff at the other locations would never let people poke around in back.

First glance I noticed a well stocked work bench. He goes “We have all this”, and gestures to a Craftsman top box on the floor, a shopping cart loaded with home improvement tools, five more bins and boxes of hand tools!

I’m thinking is this a dream? He goes “Dig in. Take your time. This is about 3 months worth of tools.” Tells me they can’t put smalls out because people steal. Told me the story of a guy who comes in and steals regularly and pocketed a whole tap and die set one piece at a time! He said the guy still comes in but they just stand behind him and watch him now. I’m like, that’s not a customer, it’s a thief. He said they can’t do anything about the thief because the whole HUMANITY thing. He also said about 200 sockets he set out had vanished.

So, I spent my entire break digging. The chest had a lot of modern USA Craftsman. There had to be 100 screwdrivers piled in a bin. I tried to inspect every wrench and socket in the short amount of time. There was a lot of vintage USA from an estate it seemed.

Anyway, I was very much grateful for him letting me look around as employees were hustling around me receiving goods. I know there is more to see and he said save it for next time. Sweet! He gave me a flat price of $50 for my pile and $3 more for the Dewalt hammer.


Snap-On and Blue-Point. Cutters, wrenches, extension, adapter, flex sockets.

Wood handle nut drivers, unbranded with hex shank. An awl from a Detroit manufacturer (have to take another look). Mac valve core tool. Stanley and unmarked wood driver.

S-K 1/4 set with Cornwell ratchet, a couple Snap-On pcs and misc..
S-K 3/8 flex sockets.

Cornwell goodness and Chrysler MTSC almost a set.

Proto extensions
Proto chevrons, LA wrench, and pliers. Channelock ignition pliers, Crescent 4 incher, Mossberg bicycle wrench, Barcalo starter wrench, Japan oddball metric ignition wrenches, New Britain chisel, Williams locking adjustable, Fuller & AT&G ? bit screwdrivers, Pittsburgh 1/4 rat, Craftsman open end that somehow got tossed in.

You ****!

 

[alinc100]

I had an exceptional lunch break today when I was invited to pick the BACK ROOM of a Habitat store!


So, I spent my entire break digging. The chest had a lot of modern USA Craftsman. There had to be 100 screwdrivers piled in a bin. I tried to inspect every wrench and socket in the short amount of time. There was a lot of vintage USA from an estate it seemed.

Something tells me you'll be skipping lunch once a week or stopping on the way home. Thats a nice spot with a velvet rope for you.

 

[Raineman]

Wow 3bay, you ****.

 

[bmwrd0]

I have seen those nut drivers referred too as SpinType. I have one or two around here marked like that, and some unmarked.

As far as hitting the back room, my neighbor across the alley volunteers at the closest Habitat, and I know I could get back there, but he doesn't do the pricing, and I have a running feud with the woman who does, as she prices things WAY too high, and, consequently, stuff sits around and piles up. And anything vintage she puts on display and wont sell (to me at least). But, it is a way to while away the down time.

Anyhoo, here is what I found at a different one today:

SquareD push button switch box with lockout, Veritas burnisher, Stanley Hurwood driver, and Cornwell DOE.

 

[Outlawmws]

I have seen those nut drivers referred too as SpinType.

I think you meant Spin Tite (I believe the original nut-driver Mfg), but old timers will call them spin tights.

I have a wood handled set, and a wood rack for them

 

[mikeinri]

I had an exceptional lunch break today when I was invited to pick the BACK ROOM of a Habitat store!

I’d just entered this store which I don’t frequent often, and headed to its typically sparse tool area. As I reached to look at something I was approached by one of the employees.

It was the main guy from the warehouse. He asked what I was looking for. I said automotive tools and the like. He goes “Oh, wrenches and that type stuff? Come with me.”.

I followed him to entrance of the back warehouse, where I paused. I asked “You sure it’s ok for me to come back here?”. He said yep. Pretty sure I asked him that a couple more times too. I know the staff at the other locations would never let people poke around in back.

First glance I noticed a well stocked work bench. He goes “We have all this”, and gestures to a Craftsman top box on the floor, a shopping cart loaded with home improvement tools, five more bins and boxes of hand tools!

I’m thinking is this a dream? He goes “Dig in. Take your time. This is about 3 months worth of tools.” Tells me they can’t put smalls out because people steal. Told me the story of a guy who comes in and steals regularly and pocketed a whole tap and die set one piece at a time! He said the guy still comes in but they just stand behind him and watch him now. I’m like, that’s not a customer, it’s a thief. He said they can’t do anything about the thief because the whole HUMANITY thing. He also said about 200 sockets he set out had vanished.

So, I spent my entire break digging. The chest had a lot of modern USA Craftsman. There had to be 100 screwdrivers piled in a bin. I tried to inspect every wrench and socket in the short amount of time. There was a lot of vintage USA from an estate it seemed.

Anyway, I was very much grateful for him letting me look around as employees were hustling around me receiving goods. I know there is more to see and he said save it for next time. Sweet! He gave me a flat price of $50 for my pile and $3 more for the Dewalt hammer.


Snap-On and Blue-Point. Cutters, wrenches, extension, adapter, flex sockets.

Wood handle nut drivers, unbranded with hex shank. An awl from a Detroit manufacturer (have to take another look). Mac valve core tool. Stanley and unmarked wood driver.

S-K 1/4 set with Cornwell ratchet, a couple Snap-On pcs and misc..
S-K 3/8 flex sockets.

Cornwell goodness and Chrysler MTSC almost a set.

Proto extensions
Proto chevrons, LA wrench, and pliers. Channelock ignition pliers, Crescent 4 incher, Mossberg bicycle wrench, Barcalo starter wrench, Japan oddball metric ignition wrenches, New Britain chisel, Williams locking adjustable, Fuller & AT&G ? bit screwdrivers, Pittsburgh 1/4 rat, Craftsman open end that somehow got tossed in.

Dude... Youuuhooo Suuuucckkk... doesn't begin to cover it! Nicely done, and great investment to open the door for future mad deals!!!

You ****...

Mike

 

[bmwrd0]

I think you meant Spin Tite (I believe the original nut-driver Mfg), but old timers will call them spin tights.

I have a wood handled set, and a wood rack for them

No. I mean TYPE. They were a knock off of the original TITE's, and when labeled they changed it just enough to make it generic.

 

[Outlawmws]

I had never heard of that knock off. Interesting.

 

[3baygarage]

Thanks guys. The nut drivers are stamped USA on one flat with the fractional size on another.

 

[Old Radar]

Well, it sounds like 3bay got a visit from Christmas "Present" while Beemer is acquainted with Christmas "Future" who needs to a little lesson in Humanity from 3bay's Habitat.
While it ***** for Beemer, 3bay gets the You ****!
Now to all, a good night!

 

[bmwrd0]

Outlaw, here is an example of the SpinType

You have to look at the photos, as they mark it SpinTite

 

[3baygarage]

Well this is strange. I assumed the Chrysler gold deep sockets were all Bonney like the spark plug socket and ratchet. Turns out they're branded G&G with Wright part numbers. Never knew that.

 

[Raineman]

Well this is strange. I assumed the Chrysler gold deep sockets were all Bonney like the spark plug socket and ratchet. Turns out they're branded G&G with Wright part numbers. Never knew that.

I'd be interested in seeing a close up of that. The socket with the taper DOES look "Wright'ish", but the ratchet looks unmistakably Bonney. Again, what a great score. Those Cornwell rattys are bomb proof.