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220/440v grinder question

396foxRN

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Couple years ago, I bought an industrial Hammond of Kalamazoo pedestal grinder at a going-out-of-business plant closing auction. I know nothing about them, but it has a 10" wheel on each side, was wired up when I inspected it, and started right up to full speed instantly and was super smooth. Got it for $90.

I did a little research and found it is an old "OK/NoDust" model. The motor has no tag on it anywhere to identify its ratings, and there is no model number anywhere on it either, the tag is missing. It had a beast of a vacuum/filter setup on the back of it.

Now, the questions....it is 3 phase, but I have no idea what the motor voltage rating is. Looking at the old ads for these, they apparently came in 1, 2, and 3hp motors and in 220, 440, 575v ratings, and in 10/12/14" wheel sizes. I hook up my vfd that is rated for up to 2hp/7a and 230v, and try to wire it in every conceivable way and diagram I can find online. Wire it one way, it runs at what seems like half speed but starts quickly. Wire it another way, it tries to start quickly, pulls 10-11A and sets off the vfd overload......so I try setting the ramp rate at increasing intervals. With this method, I can slowly ramp it up to near full speed from stop over a 90second ramp, it nearly gets to what seems full speed, but as it ramps to that speed, it starts pulling ever higher amps, all the way to the 10-11A overload and shutoff.

It is a 9-lead motor. I know the vfd is good; it is new and works perfectly on a monstrous old hartzell pedestal fan. You guys got any ideas what I am looking at? I suspect it is a 440 or 575v model, and cant be wired to run on 220 properly. Is there any way to tell, with no motor id? I'd love to refinish this thing and have it as a part of my shop, but if it requires a transformer, I likely will get something else.
 
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MattT

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9 lead is probably 220/440V. Did you look at any other equipment at the auction and maybe remember what voltage it was? Anyways ohm out the windings and see what you've got.

https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/269189/identify-unmarked-leads-on-a-9-lead-motor

Also are you just trying to run the grinder? If you've also got the blower connected the amps for it will ramp higher the closer you get to full speed. The grinder by itself should run on a 2 HP VFD even if it's 3 HP.
 
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396foxRN

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trying to run just the grinder....

the vacuum cage and motor had been modified to collect the dust into a canvas bag and took up so much room that I unbolted the whole assembly and scrapped it, so all I am trying to power is the grinder itself, not even the lamps over each wheel.

looking at other hammonds online, they all show 220/440v capability by the tags.
 
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Standard 220 volt wiring is 4-5-6 together 7-1 L1, 8-3 L2, 9-3 L3 If resistance is the same between the winding, all leads are marked and your using a drive I'd probably just ramp it up slowly or to be sure take it to a motor shop let them look at the wiring.
 

wmesquite

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Definite Hammond fan here, a Hammond belt grinder was my quest machine, absolutely love it. Have a Duskollector and G44B Glider Trim-O-Saw too. I was the underbidder on a 10" ND grinder like yours, stopped at $100. Glad I didn't have to load it in a pickup that day, got a 550 lb drill press, didn't need a 500 lb grinder too. But it had the nicest tool rests I've ever seen- machining was first rate, angle setting was butter smooth. Nice get.

Your 10" grinder is 1 hp - there is a brochure on Vintage Machinery. You know how it was originally wired. If the resistance between a pair of leads is about 5 ohms, it is wired 220 volts. If the resistance is about 20 ohms, it is wired 440 volts; 575 volts about 40 ohms- but really unlikely. This does assume a delta winding, i.e. the resistance between any pair of leads is the same. If ya'll would like some explanation, I have a link that shows my work for these figures.

If it is wired 440 volts, and you run it on a 220 volt VFD it should spin up fine, but it will stall if you push it moderately hard with a grinding job- and then it will overload. BTDT. At half the voltage, it has 1/4 the hp. Either way it should run at full speed, which is 1800 RPM for a 10" wheel. Maybe the first way you had it wired was fine and it runs slower than you expect?

Rated Full load Amps is probably 3- 3.2 Amps if wired for 220V, 1.-5-1.7A if wired for 440V.

Wade
 
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wmesquite

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I should have mentioned to not have the "No Dust" motor hooked up at the same time as the main grinder motor on your VFD. I may have a small VFD for the extra motor, PM if interested.
Catalog cut showing weights, back of ND grinder.
 

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