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Now that is a good wife!! Up there laying shingles and putting up soffit and siding.
I was amazed at how "fun" it was hanging vinyl siding on my garage. It goes up so easy and is so easy to cut. And if you make a mistake, just use another piece cause chances are you'll be able to use it somewhere else.
 
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ymerej

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Phase 1.4 (Continued)

Last Friday we were able finish up the siding on the remaining sides of the building. We're now ready for the final inspection, which I need to schedule for whenever I can take a day off from work again! Here's some pictures of the completed shell of the building.

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Near Future
After this point it will be a while before I do any updates. I am hoping to run 100A of electricity with lights, outlets, etc. to the garage before Christmas, and put a gravel driveway down at some point this winter as well. I'll also get some gutters up, probably next spring.

Future Plans
Ideally I would like to finish off the garage nicely… well, nice enough that I keep it clean, but can still use the welder. I would like to insulate and drywall the walls and ceiling and install cabinets/ shelving with doors to hide the junk. For the floor I would like to have an epoxy finish, but would also consider a polished and sealed concrete surface (like Home Depot's floor). Something to resist staining and withstand daily driver parking, but also look decent and maybe even reflect light. I've looked at many paint scheme ideas, and I will definitely go with some color - probably something warm like a tan/ yellow with an accent of blue or green, but for now bare plywood will have to do. I'll also get the driveway paved, and hopefully replace the existing driveway at the same time so it's one continuous surface.
 

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Congratulations on your build! It looks great and I like where it sets on your lot. Keep the pics coming as you wire and finish inside.
 

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After this point it will be a while before I do any updates. I am hoping to run 100A of electricity with lights, outlets, etc. to the garage before Christmas, and put a gravel driveway down at some point this winter as well. I'll also get some gutters up, probably next spring.

Looks like you and I are on the exact same plan... just a month or two apart. A little at a time for me as well.... as money will allow anyway. Hopefully I will get to my doors and windows this week.

BTW, looks great. Nice to see someone else is putting their door to one side. I would guess for the same reason I did.


Here's a question. I am nearing the point where I am going to be putting the siding on. How hard was it to put the siding on in the cold without it breaking?
 
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Here's a question. I am nearing the point where I am going to be putting the siding on. How hard was it to put the siding on in the cold without it breaking?

The weather wasn't an issue in doing the siding at all, but the temperatures were never lower than the 50's when we did the siding. It was probably close to or above 60 degrees at least one of the days. I think I missed hitting the nail on one spot and made a small crack in one piece, but probably would have happened no matter how warm or cold it was.

When cutting the siding we use some tin snips only (the kind that look like a big pair of regular scissors). They worked well and made nice cuts, but it was hard to cut through the folded over portions. Ideally I would have used a chop saw with a backwards vinyl cutting blade, but once I got going, it wasn't bad enough to go buy a blade to try the other method.

Good luck - I've been following your build as well!
 

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you wont run into an issue with temperature until you get into the 40's and below with vinyl siding. I've used tin snips to cut pieces and it does get tough at the folded over portions...not too bad for doing a few pieces, but when I did my whole garage I had a radial arm saw that was sweet for cross cutting the siding. A 10 or 12" sliding miter saw with the blade in backwards would work good too.
 
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ymerej

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As we built the garage, we had the video camera off to the side filming all the action. I've finally gotten around to compiling the 67GB of raw footage and made a fast forward video of the entire build. Enjoy!

The video can be viewed at:
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As for an update on progress, well, there hasn't been much. We have an electrical permit as of about two weeks ago, but I haven't been able to dig a trench from the house to the garage yet. I'm waiting for a weekend day that I can rent a trencher, but so far it's either poured rain, snowed, or the ground has been covered with snow every weekend.
 
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I finally have a bit of an update. I had planned to get the electric done in December, and I did get the permit (via a relative who is a licensed electrician and will be overseeing the work) on December 17th. Then it snowed 15+" on December 19th. Needless to say we had three 12" plus snow storms, frozen ground, 3+" of rain at a time, and the normal holiday get togethers through February.

Here's a shot of the garage from the first snow storm in February - about 24" on the ground at the time. We received another 12" or so a few days later.

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This past weekend I was able to rent a trencher again and dug the trench from the house to the garage. Rather than taking the shortest route from point A to B, the engineer in me decided to parallel the trench I made last summer for the incoming electric & telephone line to the house. Now I will have one "corridor" of conduit through the yard rather than pieces going everywhere.

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I put a pair of 1-1/2" conduits in the trench to allow for 60A of power in one and a telephone and network cable in the other. Today the inspector passed the trench, so it's ready to be back filled. Then I'll pull some #4AL, have the panel set, and finish the details since I did 95% of the wiring inside the garage during all these winter storms.

Once the electric is done, it'll be time for a driveway so I can get my Beetle out of the garage, and my daily drivers into the garage without needing 4WD.
 

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All that snow "looks" nice anyway. You did an awesome job on the garage. I'll be watching to see the inside when you're doing it. I'm trying to get a garage built now . Just looking for some prices to see where I stand. Very nice !
 

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Nice garage. I have a 24x28 and there's a lot you can get done in a small garage. I have a long driveway as well, not quite as long as yours. Mine is only about 100 feet

I would like to suggest that you at least think about going 14-16 feet wide with your concrete driveway. If you are going to go with concrete, it won't be all that much more to go wider with your driveway.

Otherwise, if you have people over, everyone on that long driveway has to move so someone near the garage can get out. I guess people could drive around on the grass, but that tears up the yard after a while. I only went 14 feet wide on my driveway, which is enough for our small cars to get through, but I would recommend 16 feet so people have a little extra room to swing doors open.

I know you may be turned off by the extra cost, but just think about it a little. It's so much more convenient to be able to leave a car in place and just drive around it on the driveway....I know you have that parking area in the back near the garage, but it gets annoying if you have to walk all the way back there just to get to the car.

The way your setup is, I would guess in the summer you might park the cars more near the house during the day. Or have friends over on the weekends. If you are working in the garage and have a car out, you can still get around it

I know you have to draw a limit somewhere, but concrete is more of a commitment than asphalt.

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Nice garage. I have a 24x28 and there's a lot you can get done in a small garage. I have a long driveway as well, not quite as long as yours. Mine is only about 100 feet

I would like to suggest that you at least think about going 14-16 feet wide with your concrete driveway. If you are going to go with concrete, it won't be all that much more to go wider with your driveway.

Otherwise, if you have people over, everyone on that long driveway has to move so someone near the garage can get out. I guess people could drive around on the grass, but that tears up the yard after a while. I only went 14 feet wide on my driveway, which is enough for our small cars to get through, but I would recommend 16 feet so people have a little extra room to swing doors open.

I know you may be turned off by the extra cost, but just think about it a little. It's so much more convenient to be able to leave a car in place and just drive around it on the driveway....I know you have that parking area in the back near the garage, but it gets annoying if you have to walk all the way back there just to get to the car.

The way your setup is, I would guess in the summer you might park the cars more near the house during the day. Or have friends over on the weekends. If you are working in the garage and have a car out, you can still get around it

I know you have to draw a limit somewhere, but concrete is more of a commitment than asphalt.

Thanks for the idea. I'll have to think about how I want to do it. Of course cost is always a factor, but I also would rather spend more to do something right the first time and be done with it. The biggest competing factor with doing a wider/ larger driveway is that I want to keep as much of the back yard covered with grass (or anything that grows a green color, I'm not picky), and my wife is very much against "paving the whole back yard."

Growing up I lived 10 miles outside of town, and everyone would just park in the grass/ field near the house of friends/ relatives/ etc. Now that I'm in suburbia, I find that even if the driveway is completely open, everyone chooses to park along the street and walk 500 extra feet, even if they know they'll be the only visitor (and thus being blocked in isn't an issue).
 
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Electric Installed
Over the winter I had an electric permit pulled and then began to wire up the inside of the garage. I put in four overhead fluorescent lights T8, four foot four bulb lights from Home Depot. I also put outlets in a total of 12 locations spaced throughout the garage, with half of them being quads.

Once the weather finally warmed up enough, I rented a trencher and laid down a pair of 1-1/2" conduits - one for power, one for communications. Then my electrician pulled the wire and mounted up a basic panel with a 50A breaker at the house. I know it's not quite the GJ standard of 100A, but I I only have two hands and cannot run any more than a compressor, welder and circular saw all at the same time. If I ever find that I do need more power... well, that's why I have 1-1/2" conduit buried in the ground.

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I used some creativity to put a 1-1/2" conduit into the back of a standard junction box, and then terminated the phone and ethernet wires near the panel. Now I just need a phone and computer to put out in the garage!

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The light is one I purchased from affordablequalitylighting.com. It's all brass construction and powdercoated black - a quality made fixture. I would have preferred a white underside, but with a standard 100w bulb it gives me a good amount of light around the door. I'm very happy with the looks of this light and how it lights the area near the door, but doesn't shine back towards my house, or the neighbors houses.


Driveway Paved
After the electric trench was done with, I could finally have a driveway put down. Yesterday the crew showed up and dug out four trucks worth of dirt, laid down and compacted the stone. Today they came back and put down a 2"+ base coat on the new driveway area, followed by another 2" layer on top of everything - new and existing. I'm excited to finally have the garage "finished"* and fully usable!

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A couple days of waiting for it to dry (they finished about three hours ago), and I can finally park the daily drivers back at the garage!

*"finished" = of course it's not finished. But it's four walls, a concrete floor, a roof, electricity and a driveway. It is as functional as the building will be for the foreseeable future. As time goes on I'd like to insulate and finish off the walls and ceiling, but it will take some time. I'll build a few more cabinets and paint them, hopefully epoxy the floor and maybe even build a shed for the yard and garden tools.
 
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Very nicely done. Like the detailed pics you have posted during every stage. Please continue as you finish the inside!!!
 
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Very Nice! Bob

That looks awesome. I love a paved driveway...

Looks great! Nice work!

Very nicely done. Like the detailed pics you have posted during every stage. Please continue as you finish the inside!!!

Thanks guys! I'll keep everyone posted whenever I get around to finishing off the inside.

The next small project I'll do is putting on some gutters. I was waiting for warmer weather (which is here now), and happened to delay until all of the maple sailors (seeds from the maple trees) were down so I wouldn't have to clean brand new gutters.
 

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I love Ellicott City nice old town, my wife is from Baltimore and that is one of the places we when on our frist date.

Nice garage build lots of good pics.
 

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The next small project I'll do is putting on some gutters. I was waiting for warmer weather (which is here now), and happened to delay until all of the maple sailors (seeds from the maple trees) were down so I wouldn't have to clean brand new gutters.

That was a smart choice. I spent two hours today sliding around my roof burning my hands and legs while cleaning mine. Whoever decided to plant those maples next to my house is probably dead by now, but they should be shot for it if they aren't.
 

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Out of curiosity (and this is sort of an open question to everyone), but why put the garage/shop so far from the house? The obvious answer is to keep garage activities and noise away from the house. But if I have nice toys and equipment out there, I want to be within earshot if someone decides to take a look. Also, I don't want to have to trek out to the shop for a five minute fix on a toaster. Thoughts?
 

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I can't speak for the OP but for me I'd stick it out back so that it couldn't clog up my yard and make my property feel pinched or crowded. I'd like having the open ground between the house and garage. I am doing a similar siting for the shed I'm building right now. However, I'm also on a much smaller lot than the OP.
 
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So tell us about the Beetle, man!

It's a '65 that I built in the summer of 2003, and then finished up during the fall semester. I did some minor welding and various small repairs, put in an adjustable front beam, all new interior and painted it at my parents house. It came with the numbers matching 1200cc engine, and a 1600cc dp long block that I put some dual kadrons and a single quiet pack muffler onto and ran for a while. After a year or two several things made me change and get a new transmission with a taller 4th gear and a new 1776cc long block. Due to an issue with the 1776 engine in August 2008, I'm back to the 1600 and am running a stock 34pict3 carb and pea shooter muffler. That was supposed to be just for the fall, but buying a house and building the garage, and I'm actually liking how it drives with the wimpy 60hp 1600 engine. It's a nice driver level of a car - I take it to shows but never win, and I drive it to work a couple times a week during the warmer months. I hate when I find new rust, scratches or paint chips, but in the end it's still looks pretty good and is fun to cruise in.


Looking good. Let me know if you want a hand when you get around to hanging drywall.
It may be a while, but it will happen some day. Whenever you're visiting your future in-law's, stop on by - we're on the next street over.


Out of curiosity (and this is sort of an open question to everyone), but why put the garage/shop so far from the house? The obvious answer is to keep garage activities and noise away from the house. But if I have nice toys and equipment out there, I want to be within earshot if someone decides to take a look. Also, I don't want to have to trek out to the shop for a five minute fix on a toaster. Thoughts?

I can't speak for the OP but for me I'd stick it out back so that it couldn't clog up my yard and make my property feel pinched or crowded. I'd like having the open ground between the house and garage. I am doing a similar siting for the shed I'm building right now. However, I'm also on a much smaller lot than the OP.

I located the garage where I did for several reasons, but every property is unique. Due to how the property and the existing trees are laid out, it wasn't possible to attach the garage to the house or put it very close to it without blocking vehicle access to the back yard and/ or taking out about five mature trees that provide great shade in the back yard.

If you were to stand in the middle of the back yard, there's a big open stretch running along about six or seven back yards, and I didn't want to break up that view.

If I did put the garage closer to the house, I know I wouldn't go behind the garage very often, and it would have become wasted property. Rather, I put it about as far back as I could so I would use the back of the property for the garage and a small garden. I can also use the middle of the back yard for cooking out, the picnic table, horseshoes, playing football, etc. I do still have enough room behind the garage to put a small garden shed, but that's about it.

To some 1/3 of an acre is a large yard, but I find it just large enough to have some space, but not spend all of Saturday mowing the yard. Yes, the walk out to the garage isn't ideal, but now I have a good excuse to leave part of the basement unfinished and have another set of tools and workbench down there.
 
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Last week the forecast was calling for a decent ice storm, so I decided to put all three cars in the garage. Much like almost every other huge winter apocalypse this winter, the storm pretty much missed us, but at least I know I can put all three in the garage. It helps that the largest vehicle I have is a Ford Ranger.

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Right now I'm adding pull down attic stairs and putting some flooring on part of the roof trusses to store very light stuff. Yes, I know the trusses aren't designed for such a load, but this gives me a way to get a spare fender, tarps, or other bulky stuff off the ground and out of sight.

Next I want to find some metal panels and put up a ceiling, but they don't carry them at Home Depot or Lowes, and 84 Lumber is a bit out of my way. Hopefully this spring. Then I'll turn to drywalling the walls, and of course putting some R-13 in the 2x4 walls/ ceiling during all this.

After that? I'll probably want to look at the floor, or I'll build a shed to get the yard stuff out of the garage.
 

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ymerej;901066Went back to stock.[/QUOTE said:
I used to soup up all my summer cars. After a while you get old, and practicality kicks in. You want a reliable, quiet and comfortable long haul car. Mine is stock with only 'invisible' mods.

Underpowered and proud of it!
 
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Ever since I built the garage, I wanted to turn on/ off the exterior light from the house. Thanks to an idea inspired by another GJ'er, I finally found a solution. The Liftmaster 395LM Remote Light Control works with your normal garage door opener remote, but it controls a lamp rather than the door.

To make it work for a hardwired exterior light, I routed the power from the normal light switch to a receptacle for the receiver, and then wired in a Midlite 4642-W Single Gang Décor Recessed Power Inlet, wired directly to the light. Add the receiver and a 1' extension cord, and now I can turn the light on/ off from inside the garage, from any of our cars, or from inside the house using the standard three button garage door remote.

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Finishing the Interior

It's been a while, but I've finally made some progress. Armed with a few gift cards, I started insulating and drywalling the inside in March of 2011.

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As I worked, I also put up drywall to keep the insulation covered. By December 2011 I had finally covered all four walls. I was finally ready to tape and spackle all the seams, but right after I bought the bucket of mud winter turned too cold to work. Once spring came I finally started working again, and snapped a progress picture.

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Next step: prime all the walls!

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I've enjoyed seeing the creativity of other members, but I didn't want to do just another dark on bottom - light on top two tone paint scheme. One day when I was looking at some pictures of hot rods, I came across a classic hot rod with scallops streaming from the front grille, and knew that was the pattern to mimic. Last month in June I finally bought the paint to finish it off and started work. It took a few days, and I even had a little help from my brother and sister-in-law. Here's my stopping point, at least for a few more months!

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And here's a little air hose holder I made from an old rim and some leftover boards.
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I still need to do trim around the window and door, cover the ceiling and floor, paint the cabinets, build more cabinets… and the list goes on!
 

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looks good man. my parents live in ellicott city and actually own a concrete company. its funny seeing someone post pictures of the schuster concrete trucks (who we get our concrete from as well)
 
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