25 x 40 Texas Detached Garage

[TexZ]

I was unable to salvage my previous design and opted to go for a gabled roof design with trusses to keep costs and design time down. I was able to get the wife's approval by adding a covered porch and ended up with a little more garage space, bonus!

Here is the general design; I'm very happy with it and think it will provide the most useful space of all my revisions. I'm done changing it, I promise! Getting anxious to start the build but know I still have quite a few weeks to come until plans are finished and HOA/city approval is given. Cross your fingers for me.

 

[TexZ]

Oh, and here is a view of the floor plans to show the potential layout.

 

[SILVERPLATE]

These plans look real cool!

 

[Roodwerks]

I'm working on the plans and city permits for something similar, but wider and deep, still about 25 x 40ft. I too put a covered patio on the corner closest to the back corner of the house.


-Jon

 

[Gentle_Ben]

I really like this design!

I had a verandah area like you have designed as well, but the building inspectors wouldn't allow it unless I reduced the size of my garage by that amount of square feet. They said it counted as the overall square footage of the building, even if I didn't pour a cement pad there. I argued with them, but they said it was b.c of the need for support pillars to support the overhang, which is why it counted towards the total building footprint. I tried to design it differently so it didn't require any support posts but I wasn't happy with it so I just went back to a rectangle design.

I don't know if you are working with square footage limitation like I was, but I hope they approve this design b/c it looks great and would be very functional.

 

[TexZ]

Thanks for the compliments.

I really like this design!

I had a verandah area like you have designed as well, but the building inspectors wouldn't allow it unless I reduced the size of my garage by that amount of square feet. They said it counted as the overall square footage of the building, even if I didn't pour a cement pad there. I argued with them, but they said it was b.c of the need for support pillars to support the overhang, which is why it counted towards the total building footprint. I tried to design it differently so it didn't require any support posts but I wasn't happy with it so I just went back to a rectangle design.

I don't know if you are working with square footage limitation like I was, but I hope they approve this design b/c it looks great and would be very functional.

I don't have any sqft restrictions, but hoping that there aren't any other flaws that I'm overlooking.

 

[kerryt1]

looking good!

 

[72Anthony]

Congratulations on your new project!

Not sure which way is north, but have you considered some windows on the right hand side or rear of the building? They can be small and located up high to keep people from climbing through or even looking in. Windows facing south are the best for daylight and limiting solar heat gain.

The city will probably require a hood/vent for your gas grill since it located under a covered area. I'm not sure if the requirements are the same as a chimney, where the top would have to be taller than the roof peak.

Regards,
Anthony

 

[TexZ]

Congratulations on your new project!

Not sure which way is north, but have you considered some windows on the right hand side or rear of the building? They can be small and located up high to keep people from climbing through or even looking in. Windows facing south are the best for daylight and limiting solar heat gain.

The city will probably require a hood/vent for your gas grill since it located under a covered area. I'm not sure if the requirements are the same as a chimney, where the top would have to be taller than the roof peak.

Regards,
Anthony

The garage faces north east. I will probably add some windows on the remaining walls but have yet to decide what they will look like; they'll only receive a few hours of late afternoon sun so not sure what I want to put in.

The grill is one of those budget items that will be decided once I've paid for the concrete work and the framing. These projects always seem to cost more than your budget

 

[Splitpi]

I like the latest design the best. Lots of space length wise. Whether you do the grill or not, I would run a gas line there regardless. That way when budget is no longer an issue it is a simple install.

 

[TexZ]

Progress! Slow but progress nonetheless. Have a driller on site this morning taking a soil sample for the foundation. I should have plans to submit for permits in the next month as well.

 

[kerryt1]

'bout time!

 

[Will69camaro]

Could Tyler come and do the sample for you?

 

[TexZ]

He could have done the sample, but need a civil engr to review the analysis on the sample and provide the foundation recommendation.

 

[79 Euro]

Great layout - I see a swimming pool in your future! I put up an 8' fence recently and it made a huge privacy difference. Hope you're installing a big AC unit to overcome Houston's humidity.

 

[TexZ]

Great layout - I see a swimming pool in your future! I put up an 8' fence recently and it made a huge privacy difference. Hope you're installing a big AC unit to overcome Houston's humidity.

I would totally give up some more yard for a pool! But I don't think the wife would...and definitely plan on going with more efficient insulation and a larger AC unit, whenever I get around to that next year (definitely before the Houston summer hits!).

I also thought this was a cool overlay of the new floorplan over the old.

 

[dubber]

Great plan. I'll be checking back as it progresses....

 

[kerryt1]

That is a cool overlay.

 

[Will69camaro]

I think that outdoor patio area helped sell that to the wife. It'll allow you to see more of the yard and the garage will look like it takes up less space. Added benefit of a covered area for an outdoor kitchen/cooking area.

Cant wait for the completion party. I'll bring adult beverages.

William

 

[BigBronco]

Looks great, Kev.

Definitely think the last revision is the best. Great tie-in with the furniture.

 

[nicksL98]

What are you using for insulation?

 

[TexZ]

What are you using for insulation?

I'm looking at using Roxul (made by Rockwool). Planning on using http://www.roxul.com/products/residential/products/roxul+safe'n'sound for the interior walls to help cut down the noise from the compressor room. For the exterior I'm planning on using http://www.roxul.com/products/residential/products/roxul+comfortbatt for the exterior walls and potentially ceiling.

I'll have radiant barrier decking but might also spring for spray in insulation on the vaulted portion of the ceiling...all depends on pricing.

 

[sd171]

^If this is still the plan for your garage, you might consider installing a single 18' wide door instead of two 10' wide doors (18' is the widest of the standard door sizes). The location of my detached garage is similar to yours and I installed a single 18' x 8' door because my left-hand car has to approach the garage at an angle and I thought a post in the middle of the garage wall would be difficult to maneuver around. I'm glad I installed a single door. It also gives me the flexibility to park one car in the middle of the garage if I want more room to work on it.

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[TexZ]

BACK from the dead after a few long months of work (8-10 weeks of that being out of country/out of town). I need to finish one final review on the plans over the next week or two and then I'll be submitting the plans to the HOA and then the city. I'm trying to finalize some contractor's I like as well in the same time frame and then I'll put together an RFQ and send out for bids.

I have a few changes to the electrical and to the sidewalk/driveway but all minor; here are the latest on on those two sheets:

 

[TexZ]

^If this is still the plan for your garage, you might consider installing a single 18' wide door instead of two 10' wide doors (18' is the widest of the standard door sizes). The location of my detached garage is similar to yours and I installed a single 18' x 8' door because my left-hand car has to approach the garage at an angle and I thought a post in the middle of the garage wall would be difficult to maneuver around. I'm glad I installed a single door. It also gives me the flexibility to park one car in the middle of the garage if I want more room to work on it.

I did think long and hard about that but I don't plan on using that bay very much on a daily basis as my truck will spend most of it's life outside and my wife will be using the right bay every day mainly. I don't have much issue with smaller cars making the turn currently and I'm moving the new garage back a couple feet. Another reason to keep the separate doors is that the 140+mph hurricane wind loading I have to use per ASCE code has made it very tough to pass even with current design.

 

[kerryt1]

Gonna be bright as the sun with all those lights. Can't wait to see the end results.

 

[TexZ]

I'm waiting on the last corrections to be made on the plans but almost ready to submit to HOA and city for permits. I had to get the wife's input for the patio layout and materials, etc.

Last Friday I bought the steel for the driveway gate and have been slowly working on it this week. Progress has been slow due to the current garage's level of ****. No 20amp breakers, terrible lighting, no space, etc. you can see in the pictures my new hurricane generator which coincidentally powers the chop saw and welder!





The hole for the main gate post is currently at 3'. I need at least 7' of stick out and the post is 12' so I'm trying to decide if I need go the other 2' or not. Width and length are 36". I was also able to reuse some of the sod.







Hopefully I'll be able to set the post this week and hang the gate frame as work is slowing down enough to allow me to make some progress on the garage. More updates later this week.

 

[jbmatth]

I'm trying to wrap my head around what you are doing here. You have a 3' deep hole for the post and a giant slab on top, or you now have a gigantic 3' deep hole that you will fill completely with concrete and the post?
JB

 

[TexZ]

I should have posted a picture of the latest progress but realized I didn't have one. Here you go:



The slab is my existing driveway. I don't plan on replacing that section and I wanted the gate to be as wide as possible which is why the post will be where it is. Post and concrete will fill the hole.

 

[txusa03]

Congrats on the new home! I really like the style and current elevation of your home with the covered patio. Reading through your notes, I see that you will change the home front elevation.

The new garage is spot on with my taste. Best of luck moving forward and hope to see some updates.

 

[TexZ]

I'm trying to wrap my head around what you are doing here. You have a 3' deep hole for the post and a giant slab on top, or you now have a gigantic 3' deep hole that you will fill completely with concrete and the post?
JB

And further to your question, reasoning behind such a large hole is that I need to counteract quite a large moment from the distributed load of the gate on the post (rougly 2400lb-ft moment on the post; using 33.3 lb/ft for a 400lb gate [wet] and 12ft width). And yes I will probably end up putting a wheel on it.

 

[jbmatth]

The size of the hole is completely understandable knowing the weight of the gate now. I haven't had to think about moments in quite a few years so that brought back some "good" memories of some of my college courses. Luckily I don't typically have to do much engineering in my current role so I have to pull out the books whenever I have to run numbers nowadays. With that being said I would use the wheel and if you don't want to do that I'd go for the 5' deep hole as over time I'd think the ground would allow the concrete to move on you. Complete speculation on my part, but my gut feeling.

 

[TexZ]

The size of the hole is completely understandable knowing the weight of the gate now. I haven't had to think about moments in quite a few years so that brought back some "good" memories of some of my college courses. Luckily I don't typically have to do much engineering in my current role so I have to pull out the books whenever I have to run numbers nowadays. With that being said I would use the wheel and if you don't want to do that I'd go for the 5' deep hole as over time I'd think the ground would allow the concrete to move on you. Complete speculation on my part, but my gut feeling.

Yeah, same here, "good" memories for me too! I had to look up the formula for that one. My books are all on my bookshelf collecting well earned rest.

After further reading on Liftmaster's website, they say not to use a wheel. My worst case estimate of 600lb for the gate equals 50lb/ft. That gives me a 3600lb-ft moment which is about what one yard of concrete weighs. I think I'll try to get as close to 5 ft as possible in order to overcome that moment.

Enough about statics...where's the beer?

 

[kerryt1]

Case 1: if the posts are infinitely stiff, the moment at the base of the post is counteracted by the weight of concrete across the depth of the post (your current calcs, right?)

Case 2: if the post is rigidly anchored in the ground, how much deflection will you have in the posts?

Will filling the posts with concrete improve the stiffness significantly? Would building an archway connecting the two posts eliminate concerns? Just thinking out loud.

 

[TexZ]

Case 1: if the posts are infinitely stiff, the moment at the base of the post is counteracted by the weight of concrete across the depth of the post (your current calcs, right?)

Case 2: if the post is rigidly anchored in the ground, how much deflection will you have in the posts?

Will filling the posts with concrete improve the stiffness significantly? Would building an archway connecting the two posts eliminate concerns? Just thinking out loud.

Yes, case 1 is my current assumption but I still need to check deflection and cant the post if needed when I set it. Not going to do an archway just to keep my height open.

 

[polexican23]

What happens when Train B leaves the station 15 minutes after the moment.

 

[jbmatth]

Enough about statics...where's the beer?

Here:

 

[Binrat]

i have a steel gate ten feet wide across my driveway, with 6 foot wood slats. used the pole that was already there. i have no idea how it was set. NO WHEEL, and the gate has actually risen about a half inch at the opposite end (latch). love it the best gate i've ever had.

 

[TexZ]

Last Friday I cut the hole in the driveway for the other post but ran out of time to dig the hole. I also picked up the hardware for the hinges and paint for the steel.





Taking an extended vacation this weekend so not going to be much progress this week. Houston is also forecasted to have a tropical depression hit today through Wednesday so not much I can do outside anyways. Here is the forecast, up to 8" of rain in 2-3 days time





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[Will69camaro]

I was gonna come post asking for progress but seems I am the one that hasn't been keeping up!

Keep up the good work man, cant wait to see and use the finished product. You got the shop, i got the pool.

William