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Between 705 & 1200 SQ/FT 25 x 40 x 12 Pole Barn

Workspaces between 705 and 1200 squarefeet.

KansasProud

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I started this in the introduction forum, but thought it might be better to continue it here.

I have been planning a 25 x 40 x 12 pole barn with an 8 x 40 lean to for a few years and am finally taking the leap. I am restricted to 1000SF for detached structures in my neighborhood hence the strange dimensions. I will use the barn for vintage cast iron restoration projects, vehicle maintenance (I'm adding a 2 post lift for that), smoking and grilling meats, a small wood shop with dust collection and basically hanging out and having fun. I want to put an electric oven in to season the cast iron (my wife hates the smell in the house) and use the area above the rafters for some light storage.

I've been fretting about placement for the 2 post and have been looking for ideas on the internet when I came across this site a few days ago. Holy cow! I found some brothers! It seems like there are a lot of folks here who share the same interests! I've gotten some great ideas from lurking through all the posts and wanted to share a little bit about my journey so far, and what's to come.

We have a 2 car attached garage that I have tried to make a workshop out of in the front, while continuing to park 2 cars in. As I'm certain you guys are aware, I have completely run out of space to store stuff, work, park or anything. Whenever we have some kind of project, the cars will be in the driveway for a few months, while the garage is a wreck. I built a 10 x 12 storage shed to put in the backyard to store lawnmowers and yard tools about 20 years ago to help with the strain on the garage. It helped, but I always wanted a detached garage.

After the kids moved out, I talked to my wife about building a barn and she told me that was fine as long as we re-sided and painted the house. I thought cool, I'll get some quotes from a few pole barn builders in my area to see how much this will cost. In July of 2020 I got his quote.

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I didn't think that was too bad of a price, but I had to start with the siding and paint for the house so I put it off. After re-siding and painting the house, I went back for an updated quote with a couple of minor changes this is May 2021.

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Dude. I couldn't believe the price difference in less than a year. I did some more research, got some more quotes and cried a little. I ended up settling with some Amish guys with this one. Thicker steel, better lumber, the light insulation everywhere.

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Then I went to the city for the permit. Let me caution anyone else planning on building to do this first for a few reasons. Setbacks, building size, height restrictions and any variances that may need to be worked out BEFORE you break ground or put any money down on anything. My issue with the city was the restriction on building size. In my town you are limited to 1000SF of enclosed area. The lady issuing permits took that to include the open air lean to that will run the length of the building and rejected my application. This was after I put 20% down on the building with the builders. Long story short after many phone calls and emails with the city manager and various inspectors, I was granted the permit. I just want to stress how important it is to do your homework and speak with your governing body prior to planning and especially putting any money down.

Now with permit in hand, I had to; tear down a fence where the building was going for dirt work, dig up and remove/move sprinkler heads and lines where the new building and driveway is going to be, move my storage shed that was falling apart from years of neglect, dig up and move a flower bed and create a new bed for the wife. She has some iris bulb in there from her and my parents and grandparents. She says some of the bulbs are possibly 150 years old! After getting those tasks completed we had to have dirt work done.

Here is a shot of the house before siding and paint. The area to the right of the house is where the barn will be.

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After siding and paint. We did board and batten on the sides to match the vertical ribs of the steel on the new barn.

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This is the backyard where the barn will be. Basically centered on the brush pile in the fire ring. Also pictured is the neglected storage shed I built a long time ago that needed to be moved along with the flower bed with all those old bulbs.

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Since we moved the shed and the house looked so good, I had to give the shed some TLC too. The playhouse will be re-done this spring or summer. Always a project...

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Finished dirt work

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Driveway. The construction fence is where the barn will start.

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This is where we are today. Waiting. Waiting is hard. Materials should deliver January 11th and the guys will begin erection.
 
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Conrad

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You and I are under identical restrictions (1000 sq ft max) and solved it in the identical way - 25x40 with a lean-to on one side. 😆👍🏽

I opted for a 12’ wide lean-to, which gives a slab footprint of 40x40, I plan on eventually framing in and enclosing the lean to, and the extra few feet will come in handy, just my 2 cents 🙂

As for the lift I recommend a recessed lift, it frees up space not having the post and if you throw a piece of plywood on it, it doubles as a variable height work table. I had my slab poured last month with this in mind. You can see my progress here

I’ll be following along, best of luck.
 
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Conrad:

Thank you! I'm excited to see your build as well.

I wanted a 12' lean-to but couldn't due to setback rules from my house and the property line to the west. Your property is beautiful and it looks like you would literally have to move a mountain to go any wider yourself!

I love the recessed lift idea. Something more to think about! What brand did you settle with? I looked at a couple but the price difference may be an issue. With the increased cost of the building, I need to keep an eye out for cost cutting where I can.
 

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I went with one of these, but my cost was about $1k less, not sure why the price increase. And totally hear you on cost, the recessed lift was one of my "must haves", I changed the footprint and shape of the building, but skipping the lift was never an option, I wanted as much open space as possible and already have plans to make a removable table top out of some quartzite or other engineered countertop material to sit on top, I figure this will give me a ~40 sqft adjustable height work surface that I can hang on the wall when not in use.
 

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I'll be following along, looks like a nice project.

I am currently building a 20x40 and have a 2 post hoist, you can look in my build thread to get an idea of placement. Just like your permit you should plan your hoist ahead of time before concrete - I had my exact model chosen before finalizing the pad.
 
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I'll be following along, looks like a nice project.

I am currently building a 20x40 and have a 2 post hoist, you can look in my build thread to get an idea of placement. Just like your permit you should plan your hoist ahead of time before concrete - I had my exact model chosen before finalizing the pad.
Thank you. I have looked at your thread and I really like your garage. Great job!

Looks like it'll be a nice barn, and I like where you have it positioned in relation to the house and backyard.
Thanks!

They delivered the materials on Monday the 10th, a day earlier than expected. I really wanted to be home when it happened because I could hardly contain my excitement but an unexpected delivery a day early is welcome none the less. I can't believe this will turn into a barn! I thought there would be more stuff.

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The crew couldn't start until Thursday the 13th so after work every night I would go look at the pile of materials, look at the pad, look at the materials again and attempt to envision the completed structure. Thursday morning came and a crew of 3 Amish kids in their early 20's began to layout and dig the holes for the posts. They started at 7:30 am. By noon they had the layout done, holes dug and posts stood.

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After lunch, they plumbed the posts and started the girders.

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I couldn't believe the speed,, efficiency, and accuracy in which they worked. Fine young men. The end of day 1.

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I took the first day off to watch the building get started but had to get back to work the next day to pay for the thing. When I got home from work, I was amazed. Again, just 3 kids constructing. End of day 2.

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The crew got quite a bit done on the third day, most of the metal done and the man door and windows.

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On the fourth day I came home to this.
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Now we need to schedule concrete then the overhead door install but the weather is really weird right now. 60's one day then 20's the next with single digit wind chill temps. Hoping for good weather!
 

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Very nice build! I actually just had mine built last week and was amazed by their speed as well. I think there were 6 of them and they completed the entire building in under 8 hrs, while still breaking for lunch!
 

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I love seeing new shops go up. I have just started looking into having one built on my property 6 hours away from where I live, where I hope to eventually move too. Something about having a dedicated space that designed and thought out by the person using it. Purpose built. Good work.
 

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That looks great. What are your current plans for the lean to portion?
Patio area for relaxing?

Any long term implications if you enclose the lean to after all the inspections are completed? Say year or two?
 
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I wish we had Amish barn builders around here.
We are fortunate to have a few around here. They do good work and treat people fairly.

Very impressive!
Thank you! Not nearly as impressive as most I've seen on here though. I can only aspire...

Very nice build! I actually just had mine built last week and was amazed by their speed as well. I think there were 6 of them and they completed the entire building in under 8 hrs, while still breaking for lunch!
Thanks man! I checked yours out too. Awesome job!

I love seeing new shops go up. I have just started looking into having one built on my property 6 hours away from where I live, where I hope to eventually move too. Something about having a dedicated space that designed and thought out by the person using it. Purpose built. Good work.
Thank you! Funny you should say that about your property 6 hours away. My wife and I have a vacation home about 5 hours from here on Table Rock lake that we plan to split time at when we retire. I also plan on a barn there, this build honestly is getting my feet wet for a hopeful future build there.

Man, that was fast. Looks awesome! That patio will feel like an extension of your current setup.
Thank you! Patio extension is definitely planned!

That looks great. What are your current plans for the lean to portion?
Patio area for relaxing?

Any long term implications if you enclose the lean to after all the inspections are completed? Say year or two?
Thanks! One of my guilty pleasures is cooking so I honestly am planning to use the lean to as a grilling porch for my smoker, flat top grill and pellet grill. The lean to almost butts up against our current covered patio with the hot tub and pit group is where we watch Chiefs games. I've thought about screening that portion in for quite a while and maybe after I get all the grills and smoker off, I'll have some room
to see that come together. We had a 12' split sliding door installed on one side of the lean to kind of use the barn as a party pad as well.
I'll have to get some pics up of that soon. It's been too cold here to mess around back there after work!
 

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KansasProud , Nice looking space. If you haven't thought about it already might want to put up a gutter on the lean to side. Just to keep excess water going to the foundation of the house.
 

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my 25x48 with a 25x12 lean to (enclosed) goes up monday, I got material delivered over the last two days. Im also using the amish. Great looking building!
 
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KansasProud , Nice looking space. If you haven't thought about it already might want to put up a gutter on the lean to side. Just to keep excess water going to the foundation of the house.
Thanks man! I am getting gutters next week. The runoff would flood us out if we didn't have gutters.
my 25x48 with a 25x12 lean to (enclosed) goes up monday, I got material delivered over the last two days. Im also using the amish. Great looking building!
Congratulations! I can't wait to see it!
 
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It's amazing how fast all this is coming together now. I had to lay conduits for the sub panel and ethernet from the house to the barn last weekend.

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Then, being a HUGE Chiefs fan, I watched the best football game I have ever seen! My brother was at the game and wanted me to go, but I stayed home getting ready for concrete and watched on TV out back instead. Really wish I had been there.... finished conduit, just need to paint.

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Installed a couple of fence posts for the fence and gate

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And concrete is going in the barn as I write this! Tomorrow they will come back and finish the outside concrete.

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More pics soon!
 

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KansasProud-I was curious about the post embedment. I assume these are indeed imbedded and on a footing and have a collar? What I'm curious about is if the (my crude description) suspended and braced the posts in the hole and then poured the footing and collar together?

Thanks. Very instructive thread!
 

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KansasProud, Nice building. (y) I really like the layout.


Amish barn builders? :unsure: I'm guessing they are of a different Sect.
I would have thought they were Mennonite.

The barn builders down here are either Mennonite, or Good-Ol-Boys from Mississippi.
 
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Love it, Congrats!
Thanks Homebody!

Very cool...can't wait to see the finished concrete!
Thanks jbrentd! Your build is a couple steps beyond mine and I enjoy checking your build to see what's coming! They're doing a great job at your place!

KansasProud-I was curious about the post embedment. I assume these are indeed imbedded and on a footing and have a collar? What I'm curious about is if the (my crude description) suspended and braced the posts in the hole and then poured the footing and collar together?

Thanks. Very instructive thread!
The posts for the building and the lean to are buried 5 feet in the ground with a collar or cap that is bolted to the bottom of each post. They also bored a hole through the posts 6-8" from the bottom end and inserted a piece of rebar into the bored hole. They then placed the posts in the hole and dropped in 2 - 80 lb bags of quickcrete. Then they tamped the quickcrete while they plumbed the posts. As far as the fence posts are concerned, I just dug some post holes by hand and dropped the post in with a half bag of quickcrete. I wanted to get those in prior to the concrete because the posts will be in the middle of the pour. I hope that answers your question.

KansasProud, Nice building. (y) I really like the layout.


Amish barn builders? :unsure: I'm guessing they are of a different Sect.
I would have thought they were Mennonite.

The barn builders down here are either Mennonite, or Good-Ol-Boys from Mississippi.
GreenIron thanks for the kind words! As far as the builders, might be Mennonite. Unfortunately I'm pretty ignorant about the particulars of their religion. What I do know is the company is called Yoder Engineered Structures. All the kids had the last name of Yoder, and the company and the kids are all from the town of Yoder where I've always heard the Amish were. The town of Yoder is mostly folks who drive the horse and buggy and have no electricity with the beards and the hats and prairie dresses. They make some great cinnamon rolls and have a quality butcher shop. They also make some superfine furniture. There are people there that are old school with no cars or electricity, and others that drive cars, use power tools and use modern conveniences. These guys drove a truck and used a battery power drill, a chainsaw and an air nailer. I guess they also used a bobcat to dig the post holes with an auger. So maybe Mennonite, I just don't know. I was going off of assumptions I guess.

How did you sneak in those scissor trusses?
I signed the contract with these guys last May, before I had even heard about Garage Journal. So, after signing the contract, I started doing some internet research on various things like 2 post lifts, light placement in shops and barns, vintage tool restoration and such. So naturally Garage Journal popped into the searches. I spent a couple months reading threads about guys that had similar type of builds and looking at tips and tricks, things they might have done different given the benefit of hindsight. I didn't know the difference, or for that matter even the existence of, scissor trusses, standard trusses, storage trusses or attic trusses. I learned so much reading these threads. I have 12 ' sidewalls for a lift sometime in the near future. I haven't purchased my lift yet and everything I've looked at needs around 143.5" clearance. I was nervous about being so tight, so a week and a half prior to the building being dropped at the house, I called my salesman to ask what the price difference would be for scissor trusses. He told me that they would be an additional $100/ truss and they hadn't been built yet so I got lucky.
 
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Back to the build:

They finished the concrete for the inside on Wednesday. Man it looks awesome!

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Of course the weather didn't completely cooperate with freezing temps overnight, so they blew a heater on it and covered the huge hole on the north side with plastic.

Then came back Thursday cut the joints inside and laid the rebar and forms for the patio and poured!

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Ended up with 5.5" average depth for the concrete. They covered the outside concrete with blankets overnight and I peeked this morning. Looks good! Now it's time to get the overhead door, gutters go on next week and finish the privacy fence. Hoping for better weather.
 
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Another step with the concrete being complete. Was this the same crew that did the barn or a concrete crew?

How tight do the sliding door seal against the cold?
Thanks captain. Different crew altogether. The builders sub out the concrete and overhead doors. I need to figure out some kind of way to weather seal the sliders. If anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears. I'll get a pic up soon to show the gaps. They're not terrible, but could definitely use some improvement. Here's a pic of the, I don't know what it's called. Catch or receiver in the middle where the doors meet. there is about a 1" or so lip where the barn floor is higher than the patio the concrete guys told me to help better seal the doors and provide them enough clearance for the outside door tracks on the bottom.

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Sorry for the super long delay guys. Life has been a whirlwind. I'll attempt to provide a little insight on what's been happening...

A week or so after concrete was poured The overhead door was installed.

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Then I finished the fence and gates using wood from the fence that was there before the barn.

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After the pounding the gravel took during construction we had crushed asphalt laid over the gravel and backfilled around the rest of the concrete.

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A couple of weeks ago I saw this from the front porch.

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Not too exciting until you zoom in a little...

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That tornado destroyed 1000 buildings or so about 10 miles north of me. Fortunately no life was lost. The last picture was taken moments before it touched down.
 
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I've begun to fill the barn while I replenish funds / wait out lumber prices to finish the interior walls. The squeeze is getting real with groceries, gas, lumber, taxes, employee wages, ad nauseam......

One of my hobbies is restoring and cooking on old cast iron. So I put an oven in the barn to season the cast iron after restoration. The rolling tool chest is full of cooking utensils and bar items because another one of my favorite hobbies is drinking and eating. I store pellets, hickory wood and charcoal in the bottom and mounted a butcher paper dispenser on one end to wrap briskets and ribs. The paper also doubles as a clean surface for food prep on the workbench too. I'm thinking about mounting another paper dispenser on the other end to load with aluminum foil.

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We had a city wide garage sale a couple of weeks ago and I picked up this side box loaded with tools and lubes for $10. I googled the manufacturer and it seems that they made boxes for Snap-On in the early days.

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Also picked up a real nice bench vise for $100. I've wanted a good one for years but only had a cheap Chinese POS.

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Another garage sale find for $30.

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How was your experience with Yoder Engineered Structures? Did you find their pricing comparable to others? Were you happy with the quality?

I'm up around KC and may give them a look. I've seen some of their buildings around.
 
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How was your experience with Yoder Engineered Structures? Did you find their pricing comparable to others? Were you happy with the quality?

I'm up around KC and may give them a look. I've seen some of their buildings around.
I’m extremely happy with the quality and the efficiency of the guys from Yoder. I priced out and looked at Wick, Morton, QSI and the Barn Guys. For me, it came down to quality and value. QSI barns, Wick and Morton were the closest to the quality of Yoder, but I get that Yoder had better value. Thicker steel, same warranty as the rest, less expensive than Morton or Wick but a little more than QSI. They were a pleasure to work with and I highly recommend them.
 
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