3.5 car attached home workshop

[rsanter]

TAftonomos, What was the cost to run copper? I put in the PVC piping for under $50.00 Everything is run in the overhead so I don't see an issue with punctured lines and with a rated 200psi working pressure I cannot see the lines bursting from the air pressure alone, (which a lot of people seem to think) When any kind of pipe is rated there is a generous safety factor accounted for when they give you the WP of the pipe. I think eventually I will convert but for now this is working fine.

The rating of 200psi I am sure os only for water/liquid which is mostly incompressible. The rating for a compress able gas (air) will be half of that or less.
As an engineer myself I had always heard but couldn't see in my head that it would make such a difference. When I was working at a co plant that made fittings, couplings and such they had a machine for burst testing their products. The procedure was to fill with water, bleed out the air, and then continue to pressurize the water inside till failure. The fittings and pipe would be considered failed when they were showing signs of ballooning which was typically at 2.5 or so of the rated operating pressure. They were not bursted but expanded or ballooned.
So I wanted to see what would happen if I did not bleed out the air but rather just installed it and then pumped it up. It exploded like a grenade at around half or a little less of the rated pressure.
It was in an enclosure so no injury, but I now believe.....

Bob

 

[RPFletcher2]

The rating of 200psi I am sure os only for water/liquid which is mostly incompressible. The rating for a compress able gas (air) will be half of that or less.
As an engineer myself I had always heard but couldn't see in my head that it would make such a difference. When I was working at a co plant that made fittings, couplings and such they had a machine for burst testing their products. The procedure was to fill with water, bleed out the air, and then continue to pressurize the water inside till failure. The fittings and pipe would be considered failed when they were showing signs of ballooning which was typically at 2.5 or so of the rated operating pressure. They were not bursted but expanded or ballooned.
So I wanted to see what would happen if I did not bleed out the air but rather just installed it and then pumped it up. It exploded like a grenade at around half or a little less of the rated pressure.
It was in an enclosure so no injury, but I now believe.....

Bob

Interesting point. I may just make a small mock up to test this using strictly air. The rated WP on the pvc i used is 200psi. I am currently running 175psi from my compressor in the lines with no issue. But from a engineering standpoint a non-compressible liquid would exert more force on the walls of the pipe to get the (ballooning effect) because the added pressure cannot be absorbed into the fluid and needs to go somewhere so it pushes out on the pipe. When a gas is compressed the molecules keep compacting absorbing the increasing force. yes at a point the force will be too great and cause the pipe to burst but i don't think that would be before a liquid. Your test with the liquid and some air trapped in the pipe is quite interesting though..

 

[maxspeed96ct]

nice garage.

I cant believe you spent all that money and used pvc for your air piping. PVC becomes brittle over time . It might be a while before anything happens, or nothing will happen , or hopefully nothing happens . But if you ever accidentally knock into it or hit it with something, it will pop and pieces of pvc will fly.

 

[RPFletcher2]

Sent this into Racedeck today for design and a price quote. Little of 800sqft

 

[C lectric]

I too suggest get rid of the PVC. It will over time become brittle and when it breaks it will exploded. Pressurized air is energy. Metal pipes can open also but they will NOT rip apart like PVC.

As suggested add a drain line out from the bottom of the compressor receiver.

Add a 6-8" long piece of pipe with a drain at the bottom below the elbow and at the bottom of any vertical run so water is caught and be removed.

Water will be a huge headache.


Otherwise NICE JOB.

 

[RPFletcher2]

It's been a while since I have been in the garage to finish the project I started. Got my racedeck floor installed and my 2 post lift. here are some pictures.

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[rixtrix1]

Garage looks great! Nice toys,too. Do your hoist posts go up into the attic space above the ceiling and how high can you lift a vehicle? Thanks for sharing.

 

[dubber]

Holy hell! This garage was nice, but you just bumped it up to amazing. Great job executing your vision. So are you done now or do you have more plans brewing?

Looks like your only challenge is the ceiling height. Do you just use a creeper to get under when a car is on the lift.

Its hard to tell by the pics but is your ceiling significantly higher in one section on the far right?

 

[chops101]

Nice setup you have installed.
Many similarities, I too have a new house, >800sf garage, IR comp., 2 post lift...but nowhere near the attention that you have, good job!
I do have accordian hurricane shutters though lol..

 

[Hopalong604]

Wow racedeck will certainly be in my next house. Great garage and setup. You have more toys than my nephew

 

[gtr cook]

Really like how you have finished this off, must be a joy to work in there.

 

[55cadillacking]

Just fantastic.

 

[RPFletcher2]

the posts are about 2" below the height of the ceiling.I reworked the lift to make it fit. If anyone wants the plans to make it fit in their garage just PM me. The garage ceiling is a lot higher where the air handler unit is. I can lift a sports car up around 4' so i use one of those wheely stools to work under and its just fine for me. I had to work with what I had and do the best I could. My next project is to fabricate a nice metal welding bench on casters and i'll be bringing my machining stuff down from new york the next chance i get to make a run with my trailer. thank you for all the feed back. And for anyone second guessing racedeck its an amazing product and will bring your garage to the next level.

 

[RPFletcher2]

Nice setup you have installed.
Many similarities, I too have a new house, >800sf garage, IR comp., 2 post lift...but nowhere near the attention that you have, good job!
I do have accordian hurricane shutters though lol..

hopefully when i get my storage shed built those damn shutters can move out. I hate keeping things in the garage that are not shop related and just take up space.

 

[RPFletcher2]

I have Free Flow RD tiles wall to wall and I have no issue with clacking. But, I do a pretty good job of keeping the floor underneath clear of any debris. I think the clacking happens when dirt and debris becomes lodged between the floor and the footprint of the tiles. If you are anticipating a lot of dirt being tracked into your garage, you may experience clacking. From what I have seen of your space, you seem like a very neat and tidy guy so I think you'd be a wonderful "candidate" for a RaceDeck floor system.

Racedeck is in! no clacking issues and I absolutely love the product. easy to keep clean and maintain.

 

[jes_si]

 

[kyle@hcb]

Great looking space!

 

[Dick in Wisconsin]

Nice garage.

I never thought of installing a two post in a low garage ... at least you can lift the vehicle more than jacking it up.

North Port was hit hard by the real estate crash. Were you able to get a good price on the house? Is that market recovering pretty well? Big supply of houses?

 

[RPFletcher2]

Nice garage.

I never thought of installing a two post in a low garage ... at least you can lift the vehicle more than jacking it up.

North Port was hit hard by the real estate crash. Were you able to get a good price on the house? Is that market recovering pretty well? Big supply of houses?

good price on the home and it had everything I was looking for. Homes are selling fast but new construction on all the empty lots is still pretty slow. a lot of undeveloped land still around from when the market tanked.

 

[artie325]

Very nice garage! I just moved into a new house last summer and have been slowly, but surely getting my garage organized. The floor looks awesome and your lift installation gives me some hope. I have a 24x26 garage with 9 foot ceilings and it looks like I may get a lift to fit like your's did.

 

[metalhead140]

Wow, jealous! Very very nice space! Any issues with spills and stuff with the racedeck?

 

[RPFletcher2]

Wow, jealous! Very very nice space! Any issues with spills and stuff with the racedeck?

no issues with spills at all. I'm pretty quick to clean up messes. not to sure of you leave something like motor oil or ****** fluid on the floor for a while how it will react.

 

[truckin23]

Just finish reading from the beginning subscribing awesome

 

[RPFletcher2]

I know this is a bit backwards but I wanted to post some pictures of the lift install and how I modified the lift to make it fit.

I unloaded the lift off my car trailer and moved it in the garage with an engine hoist

first I had to cut each column 6.5 inches to fit with my ceiling height

then I stood the columns up and moved them into position where i wanted the lift

I then prepped the pulley block and plate to be welded. (this would normally be just held with two bolts but I decided it was in my best interest to stitch weld it.)

placed the pulley block up on top of the column and welded it in place

Here is the finished product. Although it does not have the lift height to walk under the car upright, it lifts high enough to sit on a wheely stool and work quite easily. beats jackstands any day.

There is still another foot above the car I could have went up. this was the initial lift and set it on the locks for a quick picture.

 

[RPFletcher2]

Started working on a nice welding bench/ work bench. top plate is 3/8" thick and 3'X5' supported on all 1.5" tubing and braced with 1.5" angle.

 

[RPFletcher2]

Next project.. Fabricate some jetski dolley's. ive been storing them in the single bay on a double trailer which takes up so much room. My plan is to make two dolleys on casters so i can store them, service them and move them around to make room for other projects.

 

[RPFletcher2]

Already had to put them to use! jet pump locked up. had to pull the pump apart and found the impeller frozen to the wearing. replaced the pump housing with a new insert.

 

[sean Buick 76]

Nice work! I enjoy all your updates, always solid improvements.

 

[Magneto]

Love them Jet Ski Dolleys! Good Job.

 

[RPFletcher2]

Got my **** blast cabinet in. its a nice sized cabinet perfect for my garage. Ended up putting it right next to the compressor to make it a simple install. hooked up the included air hose right a regulator. I have a separate regulator for the cabinet with pressure set at 115psi.

 

[Jeremy5431]

Already had to put them to use! jet pump locked up. had to pull the pump apart and found the impeller frozen to the wearing. replaced the pump housing with a new insert.

Love the jetski stands! they look great in that garage. Where do you store the trailer?


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[RPFletcher2]

Love the jetski stands! they look great in that garage. Where do you store the trailer?


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I just keep it in the driveway. it's a decent size so my boat, car trailer, jetski trailer, truck, etc all fit

 

[jesse72]

Really great garage! Congrats on it and good work making it what it is today.

 

[RPFletcher2]

Looks great I would recommend some 4 or 6 bulb t8 lights with reflector grids

I'm looking at upgrading my lighting now. are the t8's more efficient ?? and how bright are they? My lighting is pretty weak right now. Some people have been saying LED is the way to go now..

 

[1/2 Cup]

Great work on the bench and dollies, looking fantastic all round.

Regards

 

[AndrewnTX]

Wow looks great and the flooring really sets it off. Clever use of the lift.


I was curious about the PVC pipe, have you replaced it yet? Here's an article from the Occupational Safety & Health Administration - Hazard Information Bulletins: The Use of Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC) Pipe in Above ground Installations

https://www.osha.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19880520.html

 

[RPFletcher2]

Wow looks great and the flooring really sets it off. Clever use of the lift.


I was curious about the PVC pipe, have you replaced it yet? Here's an article from the Occupational Safety & Health Administration - Hazard Information Bulletins: The Use of Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC) Pipe in Above ground Installations

https://www.osha.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19880520.html

no problems with pvc. I leave the tank valve closed on the compressor outlet unless i'm using air tools so the line not left charged. all the lines are run in the overhead to avoid the possibility of them being punctured and exploding like a grande which is the only way I see using the PVC to be dangerous. I might consider changing it at a later point in time but as for now it's working fine.

 

[RPFletcher2]

Haven't posted in a while so I figure I would update everyone. I just finished doing some house cleaning and organizing. Always trying to make the space more functional and user friendly. I tore out that old wooden workbench in the back corner and ended up moving my tool box there and it fit perfectly! tucked back enough where it doesn't even stick out in the single bay at all. In it's place I build a small 2'X8' wooden bench out of 3/4" plywood and framed it with 2"x6" and 4"x4" legs. It gave me some extra room in the lift bay in front of the car since it's not as deep as my tool box was. It's perfect for small jobs, laying parts out etc. And I can store my shop vac, charger and ram fan under it. I hung up my reference charts and a sweet Sunoco flag my dad saved for me.

 

[RPFletcher2]

My last trip down from NY I picked up an old Miller Syncrowave 250. It was made in 1987 and still runs a bead like a champ. Although, my electric bill may say otherwise. I moved some more things around and set up this corner for welding and fabricating. I moved my blast cabinet and put the workbench against the wall. I plan to make a sheet metal back splash to help control the sparks and spatter from the MIG machines. And also on the project list is a cart for the TIG welder so I can move it without getting the engine hoist out. In addition, it will have a bottle rack and a space below for the cooler. Maybe even some filler rod tubes on the side. Anyone have any cool designs for a welding cart for large TIG welders??

 

[RPFletcher2]

The blast cabinet ended up in the corner near the house entrance. I ran another air line down next to the cabinet with a cut out valve. I also mounted a power strip to the side that has an on off switch. So I have both the vac and cabinet light run off that. I was tired of dragging over an extension cord every time I wanted to clean parts. Now its just turn on the air, hit the power strip and blast away. I like keeping everything ready to go with the least amount of set up required.