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kbs2244

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This is for those of you that do not think 3D printing is a, from the foundation up, upsetting technology.

If NASA and F-16 parts aren’t enough for you,
That is good only for pretty plastic stuff.

How about some down to earth car parts, that we can relate to?

Parts departments don’t need to have shelf space for the actual part.
Just a computer file, a printer, and overnight printing, for the rarest of parts.

3 D Printed Porsche Parts

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/classic/porsche-will-3d-print-spare-parts-classic-cars


I mean, this changes the game as much as when the powers that be said that the forward pass was a legal football play.
 
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toplessHO

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Ive preached that for years about flat paper gaskets.
Ive cut them out with my CAD printer that I have razor cutters for.
Gasket company could set machine up at parts store and eliminate 90% of inventory
 

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I print stuff all the time.

Last thing I made was a drift to install cam and crank seals on my 300ZX, and before that, a set of bushings for casters to repair a cart.

I find that, the more things I make, the more things seem to pop up for me to make.
 

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I print stuff all the time.

Last thing I made was a drift to install cam and crank seals on my 300ZX, and before that, a set of bushings for casters to repair a cart.

I find that, the more things I make, the more things seem to pop up for me to make.

What do you have for a printer?
 

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We have 3x 3D printers at work (FDM). One of them has 3d parts on it to make it function, supposedly it's cheaper for the MFG.
 

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I didn't see it mentioned in that article but I wonder how long it takes to print that part. That is as it stands probably the biggest hurdle to widespread 3d printing. The time requirement is immense. We use them for prototype part runs at work and the only way to speed up printing is to just add more printers, thus they scale horribly. You need 48 prototype connecting rods for these engine builds? Ok well one million dollar printer can make one in 96 hours. We need them in two weeks. Well... then we'll just buy 13 more printers... Ouch.
 

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I need to reproduce some Rampage parts, but not sure what printer would work. Model? Filament type?
 

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It's an ugly, slow, poorly designed FWD truck made by Dodge from 1982 to 1984.

Then I guess it depends which parts you need to reproduce and what properties they need.

3D printed stuff isn't super strong in tension along the Z axis (as oriented on the printer bed), so as long as you're going to load the part in compression along that way or in tension along the X or Y axis, you should be OK.

ABS is the strongest filament that you'll get to print in a consumer level printer, but it offgasses while printing, which can be a real drag. PLA and PETG are fine filaments too, but not as strong (though they can be more ductile and withstand more deformation before outright breaking).

The state of the printer market right now is such that you'll probably be buying an I3 Prusa or clone. Stay away from the ANET cheapies from amazon, as they can fail unsafe and start fires because of the heated beds.
 

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The car has a Direct Connection bed cover, and the mounts that screw to the bed have broken down over the years. I have the pieces, just need to reproduce them with a strong enough plastic that I can bolt them in tight.
 
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So I guess you could use a 3D printer...to build a 3D printer?

To a fashion. You can print the custom parts that fit or connect off-the-shelf components to construct a printer. Prusia printer construction is a typical example of this. Some 3D printers may be able to be used in the process of production for some of the other parts to substitute off-the-shelf parts. Truth is that steppers, slides, leadscrews, shafts and all the other bits are more complex to make this way and easy to source. Even a sintered metal component requires a few additional machining operations before you get a production that fits the tolerances.

Personally I like the Cetus or Monoprice style printers that use a Hiwin linear bearing slides. Sturdier versions like the Railcore printers look great too. Unfortunately the slide rails are in very short supply/high demand at the moment which is driving up prices or resulting in sub par componentry being issued as an alternative. Despite my preference I am building myself a custom all metal construction printer using round linear rails and acme leadscrews. I may get a Cetus 3D for the kids at a later stage though.

Incidentally 3D printing is only part of a process for me. I may use only a few of the produced parts as the final product but the main purpose for me is using the reproduction of parts using metal casting processes. Either indirectly or directly in the way of lost PLA casting(like lost wax) Otherwise I already have other machinery as well as a CNC router table in the works when the printer is finished. Making it easy enough to make a strong metal or plastic part instead. Casting is a nice compromise in that I can add details that are hard to machine yet still able to machine the casting to incorporate and maintain dimension.

I used to do a lot of R&D and costumery/SFX parts and would have loved to have a 3D printer back then. The time to print something, as long as it takes, is actually not bad compared to fabricating a first generation concept component using traditional machining or mold making. Even with a CNC machining centre the cost of tooling and material adds up and in some cases the time to complete may even be the same. Though in mass manufacturing it leaves a lot to be desired unless you are making high tech/high performance complex componentry using something like the sintered metal printing process. There is a great video on the Koenigsegg One:1 turbo that integrated a dual size turbo and porting into a single axle unit. 3D printing enabled the manufacture of this design that few(if any) other processes cold produce and it fits perfectly into their schedule as they only have to make 1-2 units per month. However this is all today and the technology is changing and improving all the time.
 

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So I guess you could use a 3D printer...to build a 3D printer?

I've printed lots of stuff to make mine work better. A duct for a fan to cool the extruder, a chain to relieve strain on the extruder's cables, a tray to hold the various tools that make the thing tick, a cover for the back case on the brain, and a case to hold a Raspberry Pi that runs a slicer and webcam on the printer so that I can just spool STL files to it.
 

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Ive preached that for years about flat paper gaskets.
Ive cut them out with my CAD printer that I have razor cutters for.
Gasket company could set machine up at parts store and eliminate 90% of inventory

Rebuilt a Muncie trasmition last year. The gaskets had a uniform bead of red sealer printed on them. Very slick deal.
 

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I use mine all the time.

One if the bigger projects, is I used mine to 3d print the parts for my 2.5D CNC machine.

Most recently I printed parts to mount limit switches to a friend's platform CNC machine.

I use it mostly to print enclosures for electronics projects I'm working on, or mounts to mount something to a wall that didn't come with brackets.

I went with one of the prusa clones from Geeetech. It's been upgraded a few times.
 

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My next home Shop venture is going to be a 3D Metal Printer. Looking at Desktop Metal right now. Hope to be getting a demo in November on the latest.
 

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So I guess you could use a 3D printer...to build a 3D printer?

In the early days the RepRap printer (Replicating Rapid Prototyper) was designed to do just that, I suppose the aim was to kickstart 3D printing, which at the time was highly specialised and out of sight of most people, as a tool for everyday use.
 

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My next home Shop venture is going to be a 3D Metal Printer. Looking at Desktop Metal right now. Hope to be getting a demo in November on the latest.



From what I have been reading patents for SLS technology are expiring. Price for the technology is / has began a decline as a result. Have been waiting for them decline in price.

Not a huge fan of FDM printing thus my patience in making the investment.
 

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My next home Shop venture is going to be a 3D Metal Printer. Looking at Desktop Metal right now. Hope to be getting a demo in November on the latest.



$120,000 plus and additional $30,000 in consumables for your “next home shop venture”?
 
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4 FN 27

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From what I have been reading patents for SLS technology are expiring. Price for the technology is / has began a decline as a result. Have been waiting for them decline in price.

Not a huge fan of FDM printing thus my patience in making the investment.

Yes this I believe is going to help. My first involvement in 3D Printing was in 1987-88 designing Sheet Metal Parts for DTM Corporation out of Austin TX. It was cutting edge at the time and very expensive.

$120,000 plus and additional $30,000 in consumables for your “next home shop venture”?

Retail. One never knows what kind of deal they can get...

Some call me crazy. And I say I resemble that remark.
 

gte718p

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$120,000 plus and additional $30,000 in consumables for your “next home shop venture”?

You also need to review 4 FN 27 other threads. He already ditched the CNC plasma table for a waterjet in his personal garage.

Some people play hard.
 
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