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bcoke

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I am looking at a used Smithy Granite 1324 Industrial mill [that is what it is called] looks good . Anyone have an opinion/experience with this brand. Have not found out where it is made but looks like a quality 800lbs+ "bench top" unit. The size is perfect for me and I need a mill and a lathe. Finding a used lathe is no real problem but would like a Mill but do not want or need a huge one {bridgeport or cinncnatti ].........How difficult is it to move [pick up and deliver] one of these? Thanks for you input........Bcoke:dunno:
 
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txvwnut

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I started out with a Smithy 1220XL many years ago. I was a great little machine that I did things on that were probably outside if its recommended capabilities. The only reason I got rid of it was the fact that it was Morse taper and not R-8 and I was needing some more tooling and it was'nt available in Morse taper. The Smithy's are well built machines with great customer service if you ever need it. I moved mine several times, the first few times we just grabbed it by the handles and carried(the 1220 weighed around 500lbs) the other times it was picked up by my shop crane and moved to where it was needed.

I do enjoy my knee mill but there are times I wish I'd never gotten rid of my Smithy.

What is the seller asking for it and how old is it?
 
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bcoke

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seller is asking $2300 looks hardly used......I will offer $1800 and go from there I have no idea of real value, so start low then do the dance!.....Bcoke
 

shoot summ

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No opinion on the Smithy other than I've heard they are good machines.

I just jumped into this arena as well. Found an older "Shopmaster", Taiwan import on CL for $400. I am space constrained, as much as I would like to have a full size mill and lathe, I don't have a full size shop. The combo machine will let me learn and build my tooling, then if my shop situation changes I can always upgrade. For now though I'm pretty excited about building my machining skills.
 

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I have not heard of them but not a big issue so I went and looked them up found this

Might take a hard look at it vs the jet when I am done rearranging the big shop.

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txvwnut

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No opinion on the Smithy other than I've heard they are good machines.

I just jumped into this arena as well. Found an older "Shopmaster", Taiwan import on CL for $400. I am space constrained, as much as I would like to have a full size mill and lathe, I don't have a full size shop. The combo machine will let me learn and build my tooling, then if my shop situation changes I can always upgrade. For now though I'm pretty excited about building my machining skills.

If that shopmaster is the same is mine you can't compare it to a Smithy. I know I have one as that's what I replaced my Smithy with. It offered R-8 tooling and more height on the mill column and more hp. After about 8 or so hours of run time I had to rebuild the mill quill then at about 20 or so hours both motors burned up. No customer support as JT will lie to you and say he'll take care of it then avoid all further phone calls. I ended up taking the mill head off of it and just use as a lathe now and it's not really good for that either as the chuck has worn out and it's time to re-bearing the spindle.
 
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shoot summ

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If that shopmaster is the same is mine you can't compare it to a Smithy. I know I have one as that's what I replaced my Smithy with. It offered R-8 tooling and more height on the mill column and more hp. After about 8 or so hours of run time I had to rebuild the mill quill then at about 20 or so hours both motors burned up. No customer support as JT will lie to you and say he'll take care of it then avoid all further phone calls. I ended up taking the mill head off of it and just use as a lathe now and it's not really good for that either as the chuck has worn out and it's time to re-bearing the spindle.

Thanks for the info, I knew going in that it wasn't the same quality, for my use, for now it will get me started. The Lathe motor has already been replaced with a Baldor. For the price it will be OK, I got a lot of stuff with it, huge mill vise, hold down kit, tooling, parallels, mag bases, 90 degree plate, etc. But I agree, it is a low quality import, I won't expect tight tolerance work from it. Currently it is on a rolling stand that came with it. Again not an ideal setup as I understand the impact it has on the accuracy of the machine.
 

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I had a Smithy 1220 XL I think for about 12-15 years. The capacity was somewhat limited, but still it worked for about 90% of what I do, and I made quite a few things on it. I could get accuracy on the lathe of a couple thousands if I was careful.

You have to remember it is a Chinese piece of equipment. A step up from most Harbor Freight stuff, but it had some quirks. I had to make some modifications - the belt tensioner and electric motor it came with were junk. Seems like I had to rework a couple of the feedwheel mechanisms a bit to make them not rattle apart. You have to adjust the gibs somewhat frequently to keep it tight.

The lathe portion of mine was the best tool. It came with all the change gears and would cut threads well if you took the time to set it up.

The mill was a bit awkward to use, because the travels were pretty short and you were always working sideways to the head.

The thing that always frustrated me about it was the lack of power. You had to take very light cuts or it would overpower and the belt would slip. anything complex took awhile on it.

Would I buy another one? Well yes, if I were limited on space and just wanted to learn, I would buy one in a minute. They are especially handy for quick repairs around an auto shop. One thing I do know is that Smithy name gives it good resale. I put mine on Craigslist - must have been too cheap, because I had emails from all over the country literally overnight after I listed it. Sold it in about 2 hours after I got up in the morning.
 

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I don't know where you are located, but $2300 in many markets will buy you a real lathe and a small mill. Having separate machines has a lot of advantages, and they are usually higher quality than any of the combo machines. Space can be a huge issue for many people, but I would encourage you to really look at it.
 

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I don't know where you are located, but $2300 in many markets will buy you a real lathe and a small mill. Having separate machines has a lot of advantages, and they are usually higher quality than any of the combo machines. Space can be a huge issue for many people, but I would encourage you to really look at it.

If you have space, a $1500 Bridgeport - even an M-head Bridgeport, and a $600 South Bend lathe would be better than a Smithy.

But the Smith has it's place. Mine fit completely on a small Craftsman workbench, with all the tooling and fixturing in drawers underneath.
 

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I am NOT and expert in machining ... but what I have read, any mill that relies on a circular column for height adjustment can not be locked down securely enough as you change the Z direction.

The "good" mini-mills, use a dove-tail column.
 
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