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TTMotorsports

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Im moving to a commercial building again and need a new 3 phase compressor. I had a 10hp single phase emax and it worked awesome. Looking for something comparable in 3 phase power now. What do you guys recommend. Thanks
 
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Do you still have the old compressor?
How much air do you need?
Do you care about noise?
 

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We've got a great deal on a takeout 25hp Kaeser screw which would cover any possible needs. PM me if you have any interest.

jack vines
 

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Im moving to a commercial building again and need a new 3 phase compressor. I had a 10hp single phase emax and it worked awesome. Looking for something comparable in 3 phase power now. What do you guys recommend. Thanks

Screw? Recip? Vane? Size?

If the compressor is yours and it works well and is sized right, putting a 3 phase motor on it would be quick and cheap.

If you wan't something bigger in a recip and have the money, buy a Quincy QR25 pressure lube on the biggest tank you can get. Other good brands are Champion, Curtis Masterline, Saylor Beall and maybe a Kellogg. Bigger IR units are still pretty decent. Anythign above 25-30hp in a recip is starting to get a bit obnoxiously heavy and vibratory for most shops.

If your are looking at a screw, Palatek makes a decent, simple unit. I believe Saylor Beall and Curtis use the same design. Kaeser's aren't bad either. Quincy is usually a safe bet, but i think a lot of their smaller screws are belt drive. Not bad, but extra maintenance. My preference is a direct drive screw. Make sure you team up any screw with a big air tank to minimize the inlet valve cycling. Atlas Copco screws are high quality but parts and service are expensive. Avoid anything made in Italy, India, or China.

A vane is a simple compressor with a small footprint. They may have a cost advantage over a similarly sized screw and are easy to overhaul. Maintenance is simple and service can usually be done by a trained staffer. Hydrovane and Mattei are the biggest companies, although there is also Davey. Mattei is Italian but have used Hydrovane designs.

If you are looking at a used screw, check the hours. They will usually need a bearing job between 35,000 and 50,000 hours. Vanes will not, since they run plain bearings in the compressor. Figure a separator change out every 8000hrs or so. All will carry over some oil vapour, so invest in some good filtration and change it one a year.
 

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Where’d you end up landing tommy? If you’ve still got your single phase unit and still in az, I’ll wire up a buck/boost transformer for ya so you can run it on 208. That’s what I had to do in my building.
 

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Screw? Recip? Vane? Size?

If the compressor is yours and it works well and is sized right, putting a 3 phase motor on it would be quick and cheap.

If you wan't something bigger in a recip and have the money, buy a Quincy QR25 pressure lube on the biggest tank you can get. Other good brands are Champion, Curtis Masterline, Saylor Beall and maybe a Kellogg. Bigger IR units are still pretty decent. Anythign above 25-30hp in a recip is starting to get a bit obnoxiously heavy and vibratory for most shops.

If your are looking at a screw, Palatek makes a decent, simple unit. I believe Saylor Beall and Curtis use the same design. Kaeser's aren't bad either. Quincy is usually a safe bet, but i think a lot of their smaller screws are belt drive. Not bad, but extra maintenance. My preference is a direct drive screw. Make sure you team up any screw with a big air tank to minimize the inlet valve cycling. Atlas Copco screws are high quality but parts and service are expensive. Avoid anything made in Italy, India, or China.

A vane is a simple compressor with a small footprint. They may have a cost advantage over a similarly sized screw and are easy to overhaul. Maintenance is simple and service can usually be done by a trained staffer. Hydrovane and Mattei are the biggest companies, although there is also Davey. Mattei is Italian but have used Hydrovane designs.

If you are looking at a used screw, check the hours. They will usually need a bearing job between 35,000 and 50,000 hours. Vanes will not, since they run plain bearings in the compressor. Figure a separator change out every 8000hrs or so. All will carry over some oil vapour, so invest in some good filtration and change it one a year.


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Thousands of people trying to convert 3 to 1, this is an item might even be worth a bit of drive/looking due to the savings. Find a ready to go thumper and hook it up. There are other things to do air but for most people doing general work there is an economic threshold. 10 will do a lot of work. Does small blasting fairly well and will run a small body shop. Run lots of mechanics.
Being in commercial space is gauge, some think it means heavy industrial, it's just a building, the work determines type and size.
 

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We got a Kaishan screw compressor a year ago for the plant I work in. That size would likely be over kill but the brand seems so be pretty dang good from the research we did before we bought it.
 

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10 will make 40. That is a lot of wind for a small shop, can run a whole crew. I think you are on the right track looking for used in this class.
 

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We have a 10hp Quincy screw at our shop, I just bought a 15hp Quincy screw to go with it. They are very quiet compared to a piston style. The need for so much air is due to some poor design decisions on some automation equipment I'm hosting for a customer for the next year or so.

I never thought we would use the air from the 10hp, let alone needing 50 more CFM. :(

I'd check some online auction sites to see what you might find. Shipping might discourage that approach however.
 
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Ok got a 110v compressor with enough cfm for my compressor and it actually runs and cycles off while running so thats great

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Paletek screw compressors are an amazing value, but. Make sure you understand the use and drawbacks of a screw compressor. They are not a mechanics friend. Screw compressors are built to run continuously and if used as a tool driver or other on off use, will be very expensive to run and will be constantly blowing off excess air. Otherwise, the advise to go used is really good here considering all the large companies going under. Three phase equipment is very cheap right now.
 
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