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3-way switch tripping a breaker

bassbone52

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Got a back deck light that is left on all the time. Has a 3-way switch in the LR and another in the BR. If I were to flip the switch in the LR, the breaker will trip. If I flip the switch in the BR, the breaker won’t trip. I’ve tested both switches. Both OK. Any ideas on what the problem is??
 
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Got a back deck light that is left on all the time. Has a 3-way switch in the LR and another in the BR. If I were to flip the switch in the LR, the breaker will trip. If I flip the switch in the BR, the breaker won’t trip. I’ve tested both switches. Both OK. Any ideas on what the problem is??

Is this a new issue?

Sounds to me like the neutral (or ground I guess) is likely wired wrong in the LR
 

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Sound like one of the travelers is shorted to ground.

Double check your switches to ground. (Most people testing switches only test conductors and not grounds.)
Also check your boxes (if metal) they may hit a screw terminal.
 

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A short to neutral or to grd usually blows itself clear or opens the circuit after a repeated closures on the fault. How many times has the breaker tripped b/c of this switch position?
Wondering if there is an unplanned high resistance connection somewhere. Has any work been done cutting into walls, screws, hanging pictures, cables used as clothes lines, etc?

If you have a meter you could lift the offending traveler from the 3-way and check its resistance to ground.

Also with the lifted traveler, is the fault eliminated in every possible switch position?
 
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OK. This is a 4-gang switch box. There are two single pole switches with no issues. There is the 3-way for the deck light, which is my issue and the fourth switch is another 3-way which is part of a 4-way system that we don’t use anymore. I just discovered that the traveler pairs for the two 3-way switches were reversed! It’s been this way since the house was built in 1988. The tip off was the fact that both 3-ways for the deck light each had a hot wire at the same time, regardless of the position of the switches.
 

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OK. This is a 4-gang switch box. There are two single pole switches with no issues. There is the 3-way for the deck light, which is my issue and the fourth switch is another 3-way which is part of a 4-way system that we don’t use anymore. I just discovered that the traveler pairs for the two 3-way switches were reversed! It’s been this way since the house was built in 1988. The tip off was the fact that both 3-ways for the deck light each had a hot wire at the same time, regardless of the position of the switches.
So one was fed from a different circuit?
 
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bassbone52

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No, everything in this switch box is on the same circuit. There was a hot lead pigtailed into the LR 3-way that shouldn’t have been there. That and the backwards travelers made for a very confusing setup.
 
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Not seeing why it tripped the cb unless a neutral is being switched on one of the 3way set-ups.
Wouldn't it trip if the other 3 way box was fed from the other leg?

I'm not following reversed travelers though. I hate 3 ways
 
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bassbone52

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I dont want to drag this on but my only question is if it has been like that since the house was built why did you just now start having the problem ? Doesn't make sense to me.
That’s a good question. To sum this up, this is a 4-gang switch box. From left to right there is a single pole switch for an overhead light we never use. Next is the 3-way for the deck light which is always left on (too lazy to turn it off). The next switch is a single pole which is for a seldom-used light over the fireplace. The last switch is a 3-way which is part of a 4-way setup for a wall sconce which was removed probably 20 years ago. All lights are on the same circuit. It turns out that the travelers wired to the unused 3-way (on the right) should have been run to the 3-way for the deck light. When the deck light switch was flipped it created a direct short due to it having been miswired. One day I noticed the fireplace light was not working and found the breaker tripped. This finally got me off my *** to dig into the problem. It’s all good now.
 
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