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scooperman

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retired 2 years ago, sold the big house and bought a little house on an acre so I would be able to put up a big shop. County told me outbuilding could not be bigger than main house, but if i enclosed the outdoor patio and the enclosure had a hard roof, they would add that sq footage to the house sq ft. So I had the patio extended and enclosed and tried again to get a permit. This time the county would not include the existing 2 car garage footage, claiming that garage must have been some later separate addition. I argued that it was under same roof, was always part of the orig structure. They said if I could send them photos showing house had indoor access to the garage they would agree, did that, finally got permit for 2400 sq ft metal bldg. Lots of other delays, bad weather, concrete contractor died and had to find another, on and on, but this week building assembly finally got going. The back quarter has a mezzanine all the way across, the front quarter mezzanine goes halfway across, leaving a high bay area in the other half. I am sure I will be here every day stealing ideas from your garage builds and asking questions.
J.R. in St. Lucie County
 

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overhead doors scheduled to be installed today. Engraved a little sign on the cnc, the builders put it up at the peak.
 

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OH doors installed. More gap at the top of the big door when it is closed than I think should be there, installer says its normal but they can provide some kind of brush strip to close the gap.
GC requested county inspection for sometime today.
 

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I added some brush strips to mine and it was worth it. Helps slow down the critters and dust getting in. Nothing will beat a real door, but those are $$$ right now.

Congrats on what looks like a great start of an adventure.
 
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80% inspection complete. Apparently the county requires additional termite treatment around any new building perimeter. Soil was treated before the concrete pad was done. I guess we have termites that eat metal now? Not going to argue, termite treatment next.

Getting complements on work done so far, thank you. So far all this work by others, all I did was concept, floorplanning and oh yeah pay bills. I appreciate you sharing your shop build/improvement ideas. Still a lot to do before I move anything from the old shop, need electrical, need floor coated, need driveway and parking pads at OH doors.

Yesterday I sketched and then drew loft stair designs for the mezzanines in CAD. Might start with fixed stairs during the move-in months, as I will be putting cabinets and shelves up there every day, then boxes filling the cabs and shelves. Once I move my welding/cutting/fab stuff to the new shop I can mod the stairs to swing up beside the loft edge out of the way. Ordered stringers to make first custom staircase.
 
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termite spray guy tells me the county requires this because some metal buildings, like the old quonset huts, had a significant wood content. Some had wood floors.
 
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working on .taxes today and H.R. Block asks me if I did any home improvements last year. Is my backyard building a home improvement? Maybe this should be a new thread...
 
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To assemble decking on the mezzanines, used a ladder to get up top. Got a couple of cheap jib cranes with electric winches from Amazon. Used a come-a-long to get the cranes up, mounted one on each mezzanine near a front corner column. Got 30 sheets of Home O'De Po 4'x8' T&G 3/4" plywood delivered
The last time I built a loft in my old shop, I didn't paint the decking, and the bare wood sucked up all the light, reflected none, it was like a cave, had to double the planned amount of lighting to make the space bright enough to work. So for the new shop, I first painted each sheet white on one side. Ran a 100' extension cord from the house patio to the new shop so I could run power tools and connect up a hoist winch when needed. Hoisted 3 up at a time, screwed them white-side-down to the joists with self-drilling wood-to-metal screws. When completely decked, painted the top white. Had some paint left so I rolled the remaining paint on the underside to the joists, pretty happy with how it turned out, paiinting everything white definitely helps.
Had the overhead door guys come back out to install brush seals at the top. On the day they were there installing them, I was finishing up my paint work. When finished, I cleaned up and put away the drop cloths, then looked around for something useful to do while the OH door guys finished up. The electrical installers would be the next ones on site, and after them the floor coating contractor. So the stuff I had been using to do my deck job needed to get out of their way; the hand tools were not a big deal but the table saw would be in the way, so I rigged it with strapping to the hoist hook, went up the ladder, and pressed the button. Ran out of cable about an inch before the table could clear the deck edge. OK, I should set it down, move the jig boom to its higher setting, climb down the ladder, re-rig the straps for less slack. Started to lower it and one of the OH door guys says dont do that, just grab the table and tilt it up over the edge, it will go.
What is the dumbest thing you have done lately? Don't know? I sure do. When I leaned out over the edge to try tilting the load, that took the tension off one of my rigged straps, it jumped out of the cable hook and the table and I went flying. Landed mostly on my right heel, busted a lot of stuff in there, cracked my T6 vertebra in my spine. Got to ride in an ambulance, wheeee lights and sirens, had an enjoyable time in hospital for 3 days. Not. Wearing a splint boot for the foot and a back brace until docs say otherwise. Been 3 weeks on a walker, can put a little weight on the boot now, yesterday started hobbling around with a forearm crutch. Last week I cobbled up a padded footpeg on my old minibike, now I can get down the dirt driveway to the new shop to show the elec guys where stuff is going, and with the little trailer I can pull the garbage and recycling cans out to the street once a week. Neighbors shake their heads.
OK back to shop progress. Electrical work is happening, 200' of pipe in the ground to get service from the power pole, copper wire pulled but no utility connection yet, 200A service panel installed. They have other work next week, will return after Memorial Day.
 

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Damn scooper. That’s a hell of a nice building but one major shitshow with getting hurt. Good luck on the healing part.
 

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Glad you're more or less ok.

Property tax rules vary but in CA and OR a shop on a piece of property is a capital (or "home") improvement. It raises the value of the property.
 

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Holy wow on a fall like that.

Hope you recover soon.

I want to put a 20x20 or 20x25 loft/mezzanine in my shop too. About 1/6 of the shop size which is 40x60.
I see you have I beams , what are the joists?
I do like the idea of stairs that fold up i guess like fire escape stairs would be at the bottom?

I would like to incorporate an elevator as I hate stairs.
 
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Codyboy, I can send you the mezzanine pages from the building's plan pdf if the attached snip is not clear. The outer frame of the mezzanines are heavier I beams, the joists spanning the frame are not open-web, they are like two C channels welded back-to-back. The mfg p/n shown is 12X7DC14, which I have not found in web search but I assume is 12" web (height) and 14 ga, my wild guess is that the "7DC" indicates 7" width double C.
 

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Codyboy, re your stairs comment, the smaller mezzanine is about half the shop width, the larger mezzanine at the back spans the whole width. So the no-mezzanine space beside the small mezzanine is where the RV-size OH door is, I can back in an RV (if I ever get one) or back in a boat on a trailer, or whatever, this is my high bay area. Store-bought stairs will comply with state codes, if you are DIY then check your local and state building codes before you start building something. When I sketched out my stair concept to state code, I had 15 step risers, a landing at the top, and extra room beyond the landing for some counterweight. Putting stairs along the wall was a no-go for my layout, so they are along the front edge of the mezzanines. The whole length of permanent stairs/landing/counterweight would stick out beyond half my shop width. If I just hinged it at the 14th step to swing up, that was no problem for the back mezzanine, when lifted they are out of the way, but the stairs at the small mezzanine would stuck out into my "high bay" area and would interfere with the future RV/boat. So my design for the small mezzanine flips up the lower 5 steps, folds them over on top of steps 7 through 12. After I get all my stuff moved in, those mezzanines are going be for storage, I dont expect to be running up and down steps every day.
 
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sorry havent posted in a while. Electric is in, floor got the polyrazmatazz floor coating, now have concrete pads outside the OH doors. Off the crutches but still walking like Frankenstein. Got a Baker scaffold, much easier to work on the underside of the mezzanines than on a ladder. Ordered steel for the stairway landing supports. Intended to rent a mag drill for drilling upward into mezzanine I-beams, but that would mean i would need all the hole locations known ahead of time or else multiple one-day rentals, and this is a design-as-I-go shop. So i splurged, bought myself a Hougen mag drill (I like having my own stuff), and they had a deal going, set of free cutters with each purchase in Aug, Sept. Next week the aggregate stone driveway goes in from shop out to street. That means I will soon be able to back the truck/trailer all the way back there and start filling the shop.
 

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I partitioned off the area under the smaller mezzanine. Hoping to keep at least part of the shop clean and tidy. Might eventually make this a mancavish office, tbd.
I had the 1960s sliding glass doors from the old house in storage, decided could use them here, provides clear view into shop from this new room. Framed it out and was almost done with putting up the drywall. Was measuring the last two leftover wall openings to cut the drywall to close them, then noticed the late afternoon sunlight entering the west end OH door was shining in those openings high on the wall. Hmmm. Now thinking maybe I should cut some Lexan windows for them and let in more daylight.
 

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still going slow. To get the shelves and cabinets and workbenches from the old shop, I first have to get them emptied out. So all that stuff is stacked in piles in the old shop, up on the loft or all over the main floor. This, of course, is my chance to clean up/fix up, I paint all the bare wood shelves white, I cut the bottom rusty 4 inches off the 6' steel cabinets and make a wheeled wooden base, no more sitting on the concrete, now can move the cabinets as needed and sweep or blow out underneath them. Still fabricating hinged staircases in portable/modular sections, west stairs in place, working on handrails next. At the old shop, to speed up removal I put up a ramp, no more one-box-at-a-time down ladder.
 

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... Started to lower it and one of the OH door guys says dont do that, just grab the table and tilt it up over the edge, it will go.
Sounds like the time I was trying to load a fully-dressed small block into the back of my hatchback Astro van with a cherry picker. I was test-fitting it, but the boom was too high to clear the hatch (the engine dangling on the chain wouldn't clear the bumper). I was going to set it down and shorten the chains. But a worker that was working on the garage I was at was like "don't bother with that, I'll just swing it in!" . And before I could absorb what he was trying to say, he came up, pushed the engine with all his might, and it did swing into the back of the van. However, it also yanked the cherry picker boom forward, shattering my hatch glass.

So yeah, never listen to random bystanders. And sorry to hear about the injury!
 
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