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dsw6827

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Im in the early planning stages of building a garage on my property. I am looking around the 30x50 range. It will be used for storage of at least one vehicle, maybe a lift and random tools and junk. I would appreciate any input from you guys that have this size or around this size. The plans are to be stick framed ans 10' walls. Oh I'm in the Phoenix metro area. Thanks in advance!
 
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I wouldn't put the doors on the gable end.. Thats how my barn is set up, and I've only gotten one large door. I really really like it when the big doors are on the long side. Id also plan for trusses that are made for ease of storage.
 

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Lots of outlets and circuits.
Plan your electric box size and spend $10 to go one size bigger.
Are you putting a lift in? Plan ahead for that.
Windows add light but use up wall space. Garage door windows are expensive.
Spend money on insulation, you only do it once.
That is a good size for what you want.
Put a floor drain or two in.


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Lots of outlets and circuits.
Plan your electric box size and spend $10 to go one size bigger.
Are you putting a lift in? Plan ahead for that.
Windows add light but use up wall space. Garage door windows are expensive.
Spend money on insulation, you only do it once.
That is a good size for what you want.
Put a floor drain or two in.


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My 30x50 has no windows, 2x6 walls for insulation and a 42 slot panel that is pretty much used up.
 

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32'x56' here and my 20 slot panel was gone awhlie ago. You will kick yourself on the 10' walls if you ever get a lift. Just google lifts and read what wall height is required. See post # 11 below! Run a couple spare conduits up into the attic and run a PVC conduit under the floor to different corners of the shop. It sure makes it easier to wire now and later. And don't skimp on the conduit sizes.
 
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My 32 x44 x 10'-8"h has two 10 foot doors in gable. Would have put them in the side of possible. I went with scissor trusses over lift and attic else where. If i entered from side the high ceiling for lift would have taken less scissor trusses. I also have 8" concrete knee wall so i can get things wet if i want. I went 32 wide to give me 4 feet at the sides and between the two 10-foot doors?

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Search the threads...lots of info on what to do...and not.

This is 32x56 clear span with 200lbs sq ft trusses for the loft load and trolley winch...

This is also 10' plates...would do 12 on next one...

200 amp and 40 slot...all full up...
 
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dsw6827

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Thanks for all the input! I wasn't planning on all that electrical circuits. Could you expand on all circuits you are using?
 

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If you have mutiple 220v for welder outlets, AC, air compressor, water heater etc. it eats up slots fast.

Plus wall outlets, upstairs outlets, 3 lighting circuits, ceiling outlets for drop reels, bathroom lighting, sump pump, .......

It' far easier to get a 42 slot panel, use it's breaker as a disconnect and the houses feed breaker as the garage feed protector, than to go small and be forced to redo everything when you run out of slots/amps down the road.
 

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If you put the door on the narrow end, think about having it offset from the center.
That will give you a wider aisle for your storage.
You can angle park.
 

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Thanks for all the input! I wasn't planning on all that electrical circuits. Could you expand on all circuits you are using?

for my 30x42 shop -

two 20a 120v circuits for the downstairs general lights (every other fixture on different circuit, so I can turn on half or all).

four 20a 120v circuits for general use receptacles, with 4 different colors of outlets. 4 outlets per bay (post frame, so 10ft except the 12ft bay), so that's roughly every 2.5 feet (roughly 44 duplex outlets). again, staggered. so each bay has black/white/grey/beige circuits. this allows easy distribution of intermittent loads across the 4 circuits, so most equipment that doesnt need dedicated breakers uses these (including the 120v welder)

1 dedicated 240v circuit for the lift

1 dedicated 240v circuit for the air compressor

1 20a general use receptacle circuit that feeds 4 outlets on the left and right posts of the lift

1 50a 240v circuit with 3 (eventually 4....) outlets in strategic locations (1 near the big door, one mid-way down the long wall) to feed the big welders or plasma or any other larger load. my wheel balancer lives on this circuit these days and that's the 3rd outlet (it was a lot easier to piggy back on that then to run a dedicated circuit...).




decisions I loved from my shop build:

the 20ftx10ft door instead of 2x10x10 doors. my builder convinced me, and I'm glad he did. Same installed price, and a whole hell of a lot more useful, especially once the shop is packed full of stuff.. :) I can stick a trailer down the middle with cars parked on the sides, or park cars 3 wide (if they're small), or whatever I need to do, without worrying about that center post.

I went with a full attic truss - I have a 12x8x42ft center aisle upstairs, then I have the wings in each bay. tons of "free" space (only relatively small cost increase, and most of that was the floor and stairs - the trusses themselves were nearly the same cost)

I did the top 2 feet of the wall height on the long walls in translucent panels, and I love the light. the lack of insulation value is less apparent than it would be if it were lower. I -have- smacked them twice and put holes in them, though. (once with board from upstairs and once with the 28ft ladder..). but it's florida - so ymmv if you have to worry about cold. :)

I also had the builder install a radiant + bubblewrap style insulation. HUGE difference, both in our hot and "cold" seasons. Even if I insulate further down the road, there's no exposed metal panels anywhere to provide direct heat/cold transfer.

the 12ft wall height. having enough height to operate a 2 or 4 post lift at full height is critical, and my lift is probably my single best tool I ever bought.


decisions I regret:

the 12ft wall height. Should have done 12.5 or 13ft or even 14ft. As it is, to use a overhead cross bar lift (clear floor), I have to make sure my posts and cross bar tuck into the rafters upstairs floor joists. I have just enough height (even to lift my vw bus w/ camper top, or a car with the hood open), but I do have to watch my clearances. Of course, the floor plate style lift I have right now makes that less of an issue, but my future lift upgrade will require careful placement.
 
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other thoughts:

myself, I prefer the main-use doors on the gable end. drastically reduces the amount of rainfall passing the door, even if you dont gutter. I'd recommend a small shed awning over the door, though... In phoenix, a larger shed awning might be good for -shade-. :)

if I had to build it again today and I wasn't trying to squeeze it in among existing buildings, I'd probably go 42x32 (long wall gable wall) and put a 10x20 and a 10x10 in it. Maybe.

with a post frame, if you put your doors on the pole walls (the non-gable end), you're limited to the width of your pole bays. And, of course, you'd get all the rain runoff from the entire half of the garage running past your doors. (not an arizona problem I suppose)

since my door is on the short wall, I put my lift at the -back- of the shop, on the side with my stairs. directly in line with that sides "10 foot" of the door. This does a few things.

one, it forces me to keep that "bay" open, so disabled projects dont end up there. They -do- end up on the lift.

two, the lift doesn't prevent flexible use of the front of the shop - I can pull a trailer in (my lift isn't wide enough to get a trailer axle through), I can park under the lift, and park in front of the lift. if my lift was in front, and I needed to pull something in that wouldn't fit through the lift, it could only go on the right side. similar, if the lift was in use, I wouldnt be able to pull anything in that wouldn't fit under it. and if a car was -stuck- on the lift because the hydraulics failed (it's happened), the space behind it would be completely stranded. (or have to squiggle out past it).
 

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I planned for a 12ft interior height, but as we were laying out the walls I said screw it, make the studs 12 ft and with double top and bottom plates it's 12.5 ft now. A good decision in the end for sure.

My shop has full drainage inside and out and a sump pump pit as well. It was a lot of additional work, but well worth it! If you could only see just how close the water gets to the bottom of the floor pad more would do the same.
 
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I have a 30x50 with a single large door in a gable end. I agree that it would be nice to have two doors, but I think that I would still have them on the gable end. I don't have multiple outlets for my welder or compressor, instead I bought $100 worth of appropriately sized cable and made an extension cord for the welder so I can take it anywhere in the shop. I also have enough air line to go anywhere so the compressor stays put. Yes, the cable and lines are a trip hazard, but as dirty as my shop stays when I am using it, it really doesn't add to the mess much. My only suggestion is to put a bathroom in it. Mine has one and I would rather have it than walk into the house and get things dirty in there (tracking dirt and grease in).
 

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run a PVC conduit under the floor to different corners of the shop. It sure makes it easier to wire oth now and later. And don't skimp on the sizes.
Instead of running conduit under the floor, you might consider what Frank Howarth did and make a removable cover to go over your wall roughly 4' off the floor. Run your wiring through there. If you ever need to adjust wiring, you can just remove the plate.

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is about 12' what you would expect for a 2 post lift? I'm in the early stages of planning out a garage and trying to pin down some of the core parameters...
 

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is about 12' what you would expect for a 2 post lift? I'm in the early stages of planning out a garage and trying to pin down some of the core parameters...

12' clear (that means ceiling, conduit, light fixtures, etc) is a good minimum - gives you enough working height for most normal situations (high top vans and camper shells being the exclusion), but you may still have to watch open hood to ceiling clearances when you're at max lift.

BUT: 12' limits your lift choices a fair amount, particularly for clear floor lifts - the column and cross bar heights often exceed 12'. there are plenty of good choices that do fit, but there are plenty more that wont - and if you're hunting for used, anything that limits your options makes it harder. :)

If you're building new - that extra 1 or 2 ft will hardly make a dent in build cost usually, as long as you don't have height restrictions. aesthetically, there are a number of visual design tricks you can apply to make a taller building blend in with shorter buildings (to a certain extent).

the other important thing about a 12' minimum ceiling - it allows for a 10ft door. If you want to back something into the shop while it's still on the trailer, you'll be so glad you opted for 10 or 12' door height.....
 

fiataccompli

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Thanks! great stuff to think about. My garage will be oriented towards my interest (as name implies) in rather small cars, but options are good. I'm slightly limited in height by building code so that's why 12' interior height had appeared to be an upper limit working with my friend who is an architect & helping with the design.
 

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Wouldnt do just 12 do 12' studs with double top and double bottom plate. That will give you 12' 6" that will give you quite a few more lift options. At 12' if your running across the ceiling joist then you are going to run into problems getting some lifts in as they need 12'1-12'6" clearance to get them up.

If you are limited by eve height, then swap out the lift bay for scissor trusses to give you that extra little room. How much extra will depend on layout and outside roof pitch.
 
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The conduit under the floor to different corners just save time drilling studs later....if they are exposed! An extra op and bottom plates are an easy cost effective way of gaining extra inches.
 
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dsw6827

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Decided on going 14ft walls. Put 3 garage doors on it. 2 12X10 doors and 1 10X10 door. I put 5 2’X4’ windows on the walls without doors. Then 2 5’X4’ windows on corner by man door. a256d709ecea96c42aaaeb7d4524de55.jpg


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I was limited to 1500 sq. ft. code and a 12 ft height ( 30 x 50 x 12 ) . Applied for a variance for a 16 foot eave height so my purchased 14 foot 9,000 lb. Two post Rotary would fit. Must have done 50 ACAD layouts and went with two 10 x 10 foot OHD and a 8 X8 OHD . Also put a 4 foot wide man door for motorcycle entrance to my m/c lift table. All the BX wiring runs up and over the ceiling rafters with 1 inch air lines all overhead with drops . Split the bays using Redi-Racking for wall supports with floor drains in each bay.
 
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