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Hello everyone. I live in the thumb area of Michigan. Ive been checking out this site for many years gaining ideas and such. I created an intro a while back and figured Id share some of my garage build.

My previous house had a great 60x40 workshop and when it came time to relocate the out buildings were of great concern...Well my wife and I fell in love with a 1952 California styled ranch that had an attached two car as well as an 18x18 detached shed. It was quite the downsize from what I was used to but the pros on the property itself outweighed the few cons. Shortly after moving I finished off the attached garage for my personal workshop with plans for a future build...fast forward about 3 years and I was finally able to make that dream a reality. Heres my approach to a somewhat documentation of the building....

Our house sat in a valley with a large hill to the west tapering off around the rear of the property. I wanted 12 foot ceilings to acommodate a hoist, but did not want the out building to loom over the house. So it was decided to dig out the hill and "set" the building into it. Of course the initial cost was more for excavation as well as concrete, but my wife and I both felt it would be worth it in the end... The township allowable size with my existing building was 1900 sq/ft so I went as big as I possibly could go. 36x52 was decided upon.

I cleared the build site of a massive amount of brush, bushes and small trees. And with the help of a few buddies we cut down 3 super tall trees- 2 of which were dying, so I didnt feel too bad clearing them. My property is heavily wooded and that was one of the things we liked so much...Finally The excavator was getting started. The building sticking out in the corner of the photo is the existing detached. The driveways will be shared to each building.









In the end about 40 dump truck loads of dirt/sand/soil were removed to gain the floor level that we wanted. Here my buddy and my wife are walking in the "hole"...

 
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Like mentioned previously, the building sidewalls would be 12 foot high. Sand was moved around to create the base and then the footings were poured. You can see here the pocket my house sits in a little more clearly...Where Im standing when I snapped this pic, my house floor level is about 5-6 feet below the ground Im on


Approximately 4 foot of the building would be underground. Here the forms are in place and the pour was taking place on a rainy Saturday morning.




The finished walls atop the footings. I went with a brick stamped pattern.


Outside seal coated and rolled


Materials dropped off and the realization of having another workshop started settling in!!


The initial framing took shape quickly
 
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All the trusses set and sheeting starting to occur. Just in time for our cold Fall to sneak in. This was early October of last year...


I had OSB put on first and then steel panels for the roof




Looking up from my driveway about halfway from the road.
 
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The floor was poured







Roof steel on, and the side walls ready to be sheeted. There was some mix up with my contractor on the color that was ordered so that set us back a little but nothing major. When the sidewalls were sheeted I went with some foam board insulation between the framing and the exterior panels. I will also go with R13 rolls on the inside later




Almost completely sheeted on the exterior, overhead doors (10X10) and front man door framed out.


View on the backside


All windows, doors and trim installed. Exterior just about wrapped up.
 
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The last thing before our terrible winter I had done was some gravel brought in and leveled out and compacted in. Evengually I will pour an approach...



More to come....Hiopefully I havent bored you too much thus far
 

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I am trying to get my City to approve my plans for a 36x50 garage with 12' walls so this is nice to actually visualize how big that is. Looking forward to interior pictures.

Great job.

Joe
 
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Thanks everybody. It is a pretty good size for a dedicated workspace. Im really hoping I can come up with some means to refinish the existing detached to use as storage. Currently I have a few too many toys (Mainly vintage Harleys and cars) and can fill this new shop without any room for workspace...Ive been told thats not too bad of a problem. Ive started on the inside already. Just havent documented it too much. Ill try and dig up some pictures. I insulated the trusses with R30 batts except for where I built a small flooring section for attic storage- which I did in R19 on the underside of the sheeting. The roof is a 4-12 pitch so it doesnt allow fro a ton of room, but I decided to do about an 8x16 foot area where Ill put shelving to keep things I can carry up and down my ladder through the access hole.

I hired out my ceiling to have it done in steel, Im a little nit picky and knew Id fail working overhead. The guy I chose did an OK job, but his seams are a little to be desired and some of his cutouts I had to get creative to cover. The walls I just finished up last week. I insulated between the framing with R13 (Atop the R7ish foam board) and then sheeted it with a product called smart board. It comes pre-primed and it was easy to work with. The place I got it from said it was a T1-11 but it has no grooving in it, whihc I thought
T1-11 did. It has a woodgrain pattern/texture to it. I like the way it looks and turned out... I will get some pictures posted as soon as I can dig them up. Again thanks for the kind words.
 

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Wow awesome new build! Congrats and good luck with it, cant wait to see the progress as you keep up the good work!
 
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This happened back around May-June timeframe. Had to wait for the ground to finally thaw out completeley after the frigid winter this year....:eyecrazy:

I started with fighting with DTE on getting a seperate meter installed on my exterior building. Of course they wanted me to come off my sub panel which would require twice the amount of work and money for me...finally I was able to get it situated where they agreed for me to run a seperate service. I had an electrician install my new meter and panel. Then ran a trench and cleaned it up with a hand shovel. It wasnt required but I decided to put plastic conduit in the ground and have the wires pulled in. I went with a 200A Service.





I also had the electrician wire in about sixteen 110V outlet and one 220V outlet andsome incandecsent fixtures. This was the first time I turned the lights on. It was a good feeling....But still a long road ahead.



Throughout the next few weeks my father in law whos a skilled trades electrician helped with running the rest of my plug outlets, lighting circuits, garage door openers, heater circuit, hoist circuit and remaining 220 outlets. We also added some attic lights, exterior lights and speaker and thermostat wiring inside the framing. It seemed to take forever but wanted all my bases covered. Next up insulation.... July 4th weekend I Started on the walls first- going with R13 batts







Walls for the most part completed.
 
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Switching to insulating the ceiling. I Used R30 for the majority except where my attic floor section was, which I did R19 there. Down the road if I feel the need I may blow in on top of whats there.

I did the R19 under my attic floor prior to starting the walls...


Thankful for my father and also my father in law. Who have helped the majority of the way through the entire process...



Busted the ceiling insulation out in about 9 hours to make sure it was ready for the ceiling guy coming in to do his thing. Like previosuly mentioned- went with steel panels. 26 foot long, to only have one seam.








Ceiling done in two days. Lights reinstalled. The yellow wires hanging down are for my flourescent lights I plan to install soon





Overall the ceiling came out OK. I decided to pay someone to do it in hopes to have a perfect install. I sold a panhead engine I had in order to pay for it so Im a little bummed that it didnt come out flawless but Id probably still be sore from working on it overhead as well as not completed.. haha
 
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effing amazing! very nice job. tell us about the cars and trucks pls.

jim

Thanks!...The two vehicles that Ive pictured so far, one is a 1978 Dodge D100 that Ive had since I was 14. Im 30 now. Ive restored it twice (once following getting side swiped by a drunk driver). Currently it has a 440//727 approx 505 HP. Shortbox has been tubbed using the factory wheel housings. Stock B-body8.75 axle with the right offset wheels in a 15x14 fitted to 31x18.50 M/T. Its a blast to dirve and its the one toy Id never get rid of. The other one is a little hot rod pickup Ive been working on on and off since 2008. Its a 36' Dodge truck cab with a PMA handmade 2x4 chassis, box and so on. Its powered by a little over stock 440. Ford drum brake front, dropped axle, 4 bar rear suspsnsion...Someday Ill finish it. :D
 
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The ceiling looks good. What are you unhappy with, what would you have done differently?

Its hard to tell in the pictures but a lot of the panels have dents. The seam is not straight and the one side where it fits the j channel is off. Most people probably wouldnt notice any of it except the crooked and jagged seam, but I paid good money and expected a good job. It wasnt a discounted "buddy" price or anything. If I would have done it myself I would have saved about $800-$1000 depending on where I shopped, but I would have made the seam fit tightly as well as made sure I had the sheets supported effectively until they were installed. Its a ceiling and it will work just fine, just was hoping for a better result.
 

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Nice space, definitely jealous.

Don't see many older dodges around, nice pickup.
 

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That's a hell of a view right there. The whole garage/barn looks fantastic.

If you would, could you put the State or Country you live in into your profile? No need for a town, but it always helps to ask or answer questions, like "frost lines", "water line depth" and other things like that.

Again...Fantastic building, and Welcome to Garage Journal. You really stepped up to the plate and hit a home run. :thumbup::thumbup:
 
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That's a hell of a view right there. The whole garage/barn looks fantastic.

If you would, could you put the State or Country you live in into your profile? No need for a town, but it always helps to ask or answer questions, like "frost lines", "water line depth" and other things like that.

Again...Fantastic building, and Welcome to Garage Journal. You really stepped up to the plate and hit a home run. :thumbup::thumbup:

Thanks. Where I am standing taking this photo, is where my backyard relaxation area is...i.e: fire pit. Its the most relaxing, quiet most perfect spot to sit back and unwind in front of a fire with some cold pops and good company.

Also, I updated my profile. I live in the southeast thumb area of wonderful Michigan.
 

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Where abouts in the thumb are ya? I live in clio and have family in harbor beach

Shop is looking great
 

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Great looking shop, and I think you did some great site planning to fit it in functionally and aesthetically! Digging the "hole" was a great decision. If I'm looking at it correctly, is the shop roughly west of the house, with the garage doors facing north?
 
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Great looking shop, and I think you did some great site planning to fit it in functionally and aesthetically! Digging the "hole" was a great decision. If I'm looking at it correctly, is the shop roughly west of the house, with the garage doors facing north?

You got it! Thanks
 
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Well, the ceilings done, time to move on to the sidewalls. I found a local yard called Adair Salvage. They have all sorts of new & used items and equipment. Its like a building supply thrift store almost. A lot of the stuff is left overs from various build sites or businesses that went belly up etc. I decided to purchase some material from them called smart board. It was advertised as a t1-11, but Im not sure that it really is. It has a primer coating of some sort on the outside with a wood grain type pattern. It is supposed to be mildew, mold and termite resistant. It went up nice and was for the most part easy to work with. Since the first thing people ask when they walk in now is "Whats the blue lines for?" Ill answer it now. From what I can guess the sheets were marked for resale or "seconds" None of the sheets I bought were damged, cut or in any type of bad condition, but I believe the lumber yard marked them to designate that they were not #1's or something....







 
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Hey Lowbrow, why if you don't mind me asking did you go with metal sheets on the ceiling? Just curious , it looks good to me....I might go with that also.
 
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Hey Lowbrow, why if you don't mind me asking did you go with metal sheets on the ceiling? Just curious , it looks good to me....I might go with that also.

I think it looks best and in my opinion helps with the amount of brightness. Its not the most economical option, but I think the way it looks is worth the added cost.
 

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Thanks everybody. It is a pretty good size for a dedicated workspace. Im really hoping I can come up with some means to refinish the existing detached to use as storage. Currently I have a few too many toys (Mainly vintage Harleys and cars) and can fill this new shop without any room for workspace...

With your ceiling height a few 4 post lifts can help get more toys in the building..... I know several spots offer a multi lift discount.

Looks great!
 
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With your ceiling height a few 4 post lifts can help get more toys in the building..... I know several spots offer a multi lift discount.

Looks great!

Thanks. I plan to install a 2 post. Hopefully I can find one that will work with my ceiling height.
 
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