Wamsutta
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Are they the same thing?
3M ThreeBond Vs. Hondabond HT
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The pictured products no.
1184 is a rubber based product used mainly for 2 stroke casing joint sealing.
The Hondabond pictured is non acid silicone which basically 1215 1207 but the Honda one possibly black (1207B) .
Honda did have a 1184 version but no idea if currently do ...
1184 is a rubber based product used mainly for 2 stroke casing joint sealing.
The Hondabond pictured is non acid silicone which basically 1215 1207 but the Honda one possibly black (1207B) .
Honda did have a 1184 version but no idea if currently do ...
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jar944
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Hondabond 4 is the same as 1184 (and yamabond 4)
If you have mostly flat mating surfaces and no gasket it's what I would use.
If you have mostly flat mating surfaces and no gasket it's what I would use.
Example?
In this case it seems that even if the Hinda and Yamaha products are produced by 3M, they are OEM versions.
(Learned something new
Threebond is not part of 3M.)That aside:
1) Threebond make a lot of different industrial sealants and adhesives. Do you believe these are the same?
2) Amazon will show you everything "related" and often things not related.
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jar944
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Three bond is the manufacturer for hondabond and yamabond
nicks78camaro
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Hondabond 4 ***** to work with. It's way too thin/runny compared to other types of RTV.
jar944
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Threebond is not even a 3M product? Gee. . . I'm way out in left field then.(Learned something new
That aside:
1) Threebond make a lot of different industrial sealants and adhesives. Do you believe these are the same?
2) Amazon will show you everything "related" and often things not related..
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jar944
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That looks like a 20year old tube of 1184
jar944
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Yes
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CGarage
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Call the OEM Manufacturer and ask to talk to an engineer for technical advice before you purchase.
The world of adhesives and sealants is complex, and you need to make sure what you buy works for the actual application.
Talk to the manufacturer before purchasing.
The world of adhesives and sealants is complex, and you need to make sure what you buy works for the actual application.
Talk to the manufacturer before purchasing.
After 15 years, my darn near full tube of 1184 went unusable. Nothing available local, I found Motoseal at a local auto parts.
Available, reasonably priced and fuel resistant.
3 MC cases and a few more non MC case related uses. Pretty thin easy to get tip unclogged and still usable 2.5yrs later. I like it.
Available, reasonably priced and fuel resistant.
3 MC cases and a few more non MC case related uses. Pretty thin easy to get tip unclogged and still usable 2.5yrs later. I like it.
Also, don't expect them to tell you which sealant is "Exactly the same as" an OEM sealant, or even if one is "exactly the same"
OEM products are often different (even if just slightly) than anything the company sells under its own label, and are usually proprietary to company produced for.
That looks like normal RTV right there. I find the product doesn't last very long once the tube is opened up. After about a week, it's done. I've never been able to use an entire tube on something at one time. There seems to be some debate online about whether or not to touch the sealant with your finger.
Hondabond HT easy get.
Permatex supra grey would probably do and does up to 500F
Threebond 1215 or 1207B be usable options rtv silicone .
1184 is what honda yamaha etc class as crankcase sealant in 2 stroke engine assembly and is a semi drying visco-elastomer (not silicone) .
I use 1184 in most 2 stroke crankcase assembly as been 100% result sealing and lasting but not nicest to apply,
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dnschmidt
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What does Threebond have to do with 3M? Nothing I can think of. One is Japanese and the other Global but basically American. As far as I know there is no connection between the two.
whateg01
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If I'm the OEM and somebody calls and asks what I can use, the easy answer is use what the manual says to use, that's why we put it in the manual.
I don't understand why op is trying to find an alternative but the same stuff.
Not everyone wants to buy Porsche/BMW/Honda/Mercedes/GM/ . . . stuff.
There are lots of good automotive chemicals, often by the same manufacturers as OEM, and often close to the same product.
Along those lines, anyone have recommendations for the "best" Porsche/VW/Motorcycle air-cooled, split case, 4 stroke, engine sealant?
The OEs are always going to tell you to use their brand product because they want you to buy it from them at typically crazy prices, and there are too many other sealants for them to recommend an equivalent- that's an entire years-long project by itself. You're supposed to use Toyota coolant, RTV, brake fluid....
I've used just plain Permatex RTV on vertical transmission housing joints that don't have a gasket with zero issues.
For two cycle engines, to seal the engine casting halves at the crankshaft split, we used a Loctite product (edit: #515) in the small engine shops I worked at. It was thicker than the Loctite thread sealer but thinner than RTV. Never had a failure with it, and I think I still have a small tube of it.
I've used just plain Permatex RTV on vertical transmission housing joints that don't have a gasket with zero issues.
For two cycle engines, to seal the engine casting halves at the crankshaft split, we used a Loctite product (edit: #515) in the small engine shops I worked at. It was thicker than the Loctite thread sealer but thinner than RTV. Never had a failure with it, and I think I still have a small tube of it.
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jar944
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1184 lasts longer than a week.
The vid was just to show the consistency, I never smear with a finger.
Alwas used permitex avation sealant.
jar944
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I still have a bottle of that and I haven't rebuilt a vw since the late 90s
That seems to be the old standard that always seems to leak.
Last time I built one, people were starting to take about eh Yamaha sealer of the day (early 1990's)
I am guessing improvements have been made.
a "Factory" oil pan I bought for a 2000 Audi came with a tube of RTV like gasket maker (Forget the brand).
Worked great.
Machined surfaces in MB and Porsche (and I would guess a lot of the German cars) use no sealant. Just a rubberband like gasket that sits (on edge) in a groove in one of the surfaces.
Will probably be building a 914 (VW Type 4) engine in the next year or two and would love to have one NOT leak!
Knowing the way Aviation certs work, it will probably be the required sealant for the next 50 years.
We always use our fingers! We lay the gasket on the cardboard it came in and dab it onto the gasket lightly, flip over and repeat. Then lay onto the engine case.
Manny moons ago I used Curil T2 for the case halves on my ACVWs.
jar944
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I don't ever use it with a gasket. Just a nice continuous bead straight out of the nozzle on the bare case.
K13
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There isn't. Somehow the OP decided, mistakenly, that 3M made it.
Gasket sealant, or form-a-gasket?
Two different things.
[Quote: Chuck Berry]
I got some on my finger so I wiped it on the wall
Chuck Berry? ...Definitely pre yamabond he was singing about
