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4 day old Quikcrete can I reapply
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AlphaGarage
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Check other thread.
But in a nutshell - assuming you're working with a good epoxy, for your next coat put it down thick. If you put down 12 mils it should easily cover the bad first coat and hopefully flow and self level to a nice finish.
Personally I opt for a nap roller instead of the foam type, like the Wooster Epoxy Glide w 1/4" nap. Seems like less waste, better spread, and less bubbles. But others really like the foam.
But in a nutshell - assuming you're working with a good epoxy, for your next coat put it down thick. If you put down 12 mils it should easily cover the bad first coat and hopefully flow and self level to a nice finish.
Personally I opt for a nap roller instead of the foam type, like the Wooster Epoxy Glide w 1/4" nap. Seems like less waste, better spread, and less bubbles. But others really like the foam.
Mlynch
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you cant install standard quikcrete @ 12 mils to 20 mils you should have a coverage range provided with the product that you need to follow... That is much too thick for that kind of product. But someone who sells this stuff should also know that there is a big difference between how you have to install waterbased solvented and 100 percent solids epoxy. It is night and day.
also i noticed he recomended you not to sand. Also strange for someone who sells epoxy. He should know that you are outside of the recoat window and will have adhesion issues after 4 days.
Basically sand then solvent wipe and go with the low end of the coverage range for the thickest recomended coat.
**** edit i tried to look up the coverage per gallon and quikcrete doesnt give this however they did say for a two car garage to use two kits... assuming a two car garage is 400-500 sq ft then you should get 200-250 sq ft per kit. In otherwords you should use minimaly two kits on your 500 sq ft.
you said 1 1/2 cans what size are these gallon cans quart cans? How many cans in a kit?
I also verfied by their directions that they recomend sanding and solvent wipe
also i noticed he recomended you not to sand. Also strange for someone who sells epoxy. He should know that you are outside of the recoat window and will have adhesion issues after 4 days.
Basically sand then solvent wipe and go with the low end of the coverage range for the thickest recomended coat.
**** edit i tried to look up the coverage per gallon and quikcrete doesnt give this however they did say for a two car garage to use two kits... assuming a two car garage is 400-500 sq ft then you should get 200-250 sq ft per kit. In otherwords you should use minimaly two kits on your 500 sq ft.
you said 1 1/2 cans what size are these gallon cans quart cans? How many cans in a kit?
I also verfied by their directions that they recomend sanding and solvent wipe
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Thanks for the feed back. I am Using the Quikrete garage floor 2 part epoxy with flakes (1 gal. per single car garage). After sanding what kind of solvent should I be using? Will I have hot tire issues? There product really does't say how thick to apply ex.(ml thickness). In the future do you have a recomendation for a good floor coating. I liked the Quikrete for the color and flake selection. Can I later apply a clear coat and not worry about tire issues. All FEED BACK IS GREATLY HELPFULL!!!!! THANKS!!!!
Mlynch
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As far as future recomendations there are plenty of kits superior to the quikrete in durability... in the future i would aim for a 100 percent solids epoxy. You can find any color or flake selection if you ask the right people. But this is kind of moot unless you plan on redoing it all.
As far as solvent acetone... I dunno about quikrete and hot tire problems i dont use their products... The clearcoat you will have the same recoat window and have to sand and wipe again unless you do it rightaway.
These floors are not good or easy to do in segments.
As far as solvent acetone... I dunno about quikrete and hot tire problems i dont use their products... The clearcoat you will have the same recoat window and have to sand and wipe again unless you do it rightaway.
These floors are not good or easy to do in segments.
AlphaGarage
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Hmmm... TR said he had the same problem that Datcom guy did - and that was a fresh initial coat of product that was looking nasty and uneven. When he mentioned sanding - I assumed that he was sanding to smooth it out - not sanding because it was beyond the recoat window. If that was a wrong assumption, then yea - rough it up before recoat.
As far as the thickness of a subsequent recoat - Quikrete tech support says that all their epoxies (including their water based epoxy) can be coated in excess of 12 mils - they just caution "it will take longer to dry."
As far as the thickness of a subsequent recoat - Quikrete tech support says that all their epoxies (including their water based epoxy) can be coated in excess of 12 mils - they just caution "it will take longer to dry."
Mlynch
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I wonder what wolverines policy on high build waterbased or solvented epoxies is... i guess if skinning over, milking, or product failure are okay then it wouldnt matter.
In excess of 12 mils up to 20mils wet film thickness (as was suggested) is roughly 80-140 sq ft a gallon. Not normal for that kind of product. Ideally he would wanna be @ more like 8 mils.
Eric any input?
In excess of 12 mils up to 20mils wet film thickness (as was suggested) is roughly 80-140 sq ft a gallon. Not normal for that kind of product. Ideally he would wanna be @ more like 8 mils.
Eric any input?
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Mlynch
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http://www.quikretecoatings.com/quikrete/pdf/InstrShtGarageEnglish.pdf
I dunno why they say not to solvent wipe it is in their insruction manual under previously painted floor... they refer to it as a chemical deglosser i think. That is basically a solvent that will knock the shine off the floor and soften it up for a period of time to promote best adhesion.
As far as a recoat window that refers to the amount of time you have to recoat without sanding... it does have one.
I think eric will back this one up as well.
Eric?
I dunno why they say not to solvent wipe it is in their insruction manual under previously painted floor... they refer to it as a chemical deglosser i think. That is basically a solvent that will knock the shine off the floor and soften it up for a period of time to promote best adhesion.
As far as a recoat window that refers to the amount of time you have to recoat without sanding... it does have one.
I think eric will back this one up as well.
Eric?
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AlphaGarage
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I wonder what wolverines policy on high build waterbased or solvented epoxies is... i guess if skinning over, milking, or product failure are okay then it wouldnt matter.
In excess of 12 mils up to 20mils wet film thickness (as was suggested) is roughly 80-140 sq ft a gallon. Not normal for that kind of product. Ideally he would wanna be @ more like 8 mils.
Eric any input?
WCC does not offer a high build water or solvent based epoxy to the DIY market. We do, however, have LiquaTile 1184 which is a 100% solids epoxy that is well suited for the DIYer and that many members of this forum have had excellent experience with.
As far as Quikrete's advice, if you have any issues with them or their products, it'd probably be best to take it up with them directly. Their number is 1-800-458-0047 - option 3.
Mlynch
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High build and waterbased/solvented dont exactly go hand in hand... does wolverine have one at all? I wouldn't think so but set me straight.
There is a reason why there is not a high build water or solvented product they dont work very well as such... not only do you have problems with the carrier flashing off, skinning, milking and such but half of the dft disapears into the air. 12-20 mils falls in that category. You made a mistake and you were giving advice like he was using 100 percent solids epoxy. Its not a big deal but it could cause him problems and the record needed to be set straight.
Judging by what their tech support has said to you I think I will just go ahead and not call them. You should have had issue, however, with what they said to you as a person who gives advice to other people on how to install these products.
There is a reason why there is not a high build water or solvented product they dont work very well as such... not only do you have problems with the carrier flashing off, skinning, milking and such but half of the dft disapears into the air. 12-20 mils falls in that category. You made a mistake and you were giving advice like he was using 100 percent solids epoxy. Its not a big deal but it could cause him problems and the record needed to be set straight.
Judging by what their tech support has said to you I think I will just go ahead and not call them. You should have had issue, however, with what they said to you as a person who gives advice to other people on how to install these products.
Reading the instructions on the deglosser I have two recoat with Quikrete within 12hours after applying. Will there be a issue walking on surface after deglosser is applied as this will be required to apply Quikrete. Also, what is the best way on how two use this stuff? THANKS FOR THE HELP.